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Fight Time From 4am-McGregor vs Mayweather**MOD Warning in 1st Post**

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 890 ✭✭✭Sweet Science


    Conor on points
    walshb wrote: »
    Okey doke. I knew there had to be some reasoning for it, as it didn't make any sense that you would think it a draw.

    Floyd wins anyway he wants . I'm just unsure how he wants to do it .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,449 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Floyd via KO-TKO
    Floyd wins anyway he wants . I'm just unsure how he wants to do it .

    Probably the most sense view on this that is possible. I am the exact same.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,380 ✭✭✭The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman


    Floyd via DQ
    walshb wrote: »
    Probably the most sense view on this that is possible. I am the exact same.

    Looks like he isn't taking it too serious, he's doing meet and greets all week in Vegas.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 528 ✭✭✭marcus001


    I'm betting on Conor to win in the first 4 rounds and also Floyd to win on points. The two most likely outcomes covered there IMO.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 890 ✭✭✭Sweet Science


    Conor on points
    For the life of me I can't get my head around how a likely outcome is to KO a guy who has never been beaten never been put down and never lost . All this by a guy in his first fight

    Not long left thank god


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,380 ✭✭✭The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman


    Floyd via DQ
    For the life of me I can't get my head around how a likely outcome is to KO a guy who has never been beaten never been put down and never lost . All this by a guy in his first fight

    Not long left thank god

    Perhaps its more likely the "only" way that McGregor can win rather than be an actual likely outcome.

    Mayweather surely stops him though as in thats how he wins the fight a TKO around 5-6


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,449 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Floyd via KO-TKO
    Perhaps its more likely the "only" way that McGregor can win rather than be an actual likely outcome.

    Mayweather surely stops him though as in thats how he wins the fight a TKO around 5-6

    Seems to be a "fair" few going the points win for Conor. That is even more bonkers than the KO.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,380 ✭✭✭The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman


    Floyd via DQ
    walshb wrote: »
    Seems to be a "fair" few going the points win for Conor. That is even more bonkers than the KO.

    anyone watch that half hour segment on Sky last night, Paulie and Hardy from the MMA were discussing the fight and both agreed that the UFC fans seem more delusional about the chances of a UFC fighter against a boxer than the other way around.

    Regardless those who pick Conor to win on points have drank all the cool aid that these two are peddling. Its been sensational self promotion by both


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 247 ✭✭noc1980


    For the life of me I can't get my head around how a likely outcome is to KO a guy who has never been beaten never been put down and never lost . All this by a guy in his first fight

    Not long left thank god

    Age. Father Time is undefeated as they say.
    38 yr old Tyson was battered by Kevin fecking McBride for God's sake.
    Yes 40yr old Floyd > 38yr old Tyson, but 37yr old Tyson KOs McBride in under a minute.
    An athlete in his late 30s can see his decline go from gradual to cliff face almost overnight. If anyone can be the exception it is Floyd but age makes this contest more interesting.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,449 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Floyd via KO-TKO
    noc1980 wrote: »
    Age. Father Time is undefeated as they say.
    38 yr old Tyson was battered by Kevin fecking McBride for God's sake.
    Yes 40yr old Floyd > 38yr old Tyson, but 37yr old Tyson KOs McBride in under a minute.
    An athlete in his late 30s can see his decline go from gradual to cliff face almost overnight. If anyone can be the exception it is Floyd but age makes this contest more interesting.

    :confused:


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,910 ✭✭✭begbysback


    Floyd via DQ
    For the life of me I can't get my head around how a likely outcome is to KO a guy who has never been beaten never been put down and never lost . All this by a guy in his first fight

    Not long left thank god

    Some neck even getting into the ring with Floyd - his misiscule chance is not in landing clean, but more in what Wayne Mc Cullogh describes as "Floyd getting old when he steps into the ring" - he reckons every fighter has that night in their career where they suddenly become old in the ring, could have a point but this scenario is usually against fighters of equal or better quality, so may be irrelevant in this case given the gap in class.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,449 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Floyd via KO-TKO
    anyone watch that half hour segment on Sky last night, Paulie and Hardy from the MMA were discussing the fight and both agreed that the UFC fans seem more delusional about the chances of a UFC fighter against a boxer than the other way around.

    Regardless those who pick Conor to win on points have drank all the cool aid that these two are peddling. Its been sensational self promotion by both

    I cannot take a second more of that mouthpiece, Paulie!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,339 ✭✭✭✭StringerBell


    Floyd via DQ
    Bernard Hopkins, George Foreman, Evander Holyfield, Sugar Boy Malinga etc

    Floyd would not even be the exception tbh

    If he has gotten ridiculously old overnight he should still have enough to beat McGregor quite comfortably due to his ring skill and experience

    His training footage does not even show a man who looks like he has gotten ridiculously old overnight anyway, a guy who hasn't been overweight or out of shape a day in his life, doesn't drink, smoke etc. I'd be surprised to say the least if he has fallen off a cliff to the extent this becomes a genuine contest, not long to go now thankfully.

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,449 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Floyd via KO-TKO
    The old overnight may even be true, but as mentioned, still doesn't give Conor a prayer....

    At the start I said that Floyd rolling out of bed Aug 26 would still see him win easily.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,464 ✭✭✭Ultimate Seduction


    For the life of me I can't get my head around how a likely outcome is to KO a guy who has never been beaten never been put down and never lost . All this by a guy in his first fight


    McGregor hasn't ever been put down or beaten by strikes, which is more impressive when you have shins, knees, elbows and 4oz gloves flying at you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,339 ✭✭✭✭StringerBell


    Floyd via DQ
    The gloves thing is a proper red herring for people isn't it?

    Ignores the fact that the majority of the padding is focused on protecting the hand, the ligament area/thumb etc rather then the knuckles :D

    I saw the talking heads on Sky yesterday discussing them too but in fairness they did reach the conclusion that the 8oz and 10oz felt basically the same, and very soft/thin at the knuckle. Bit more weight near the wrist in the 10oz. It is a talking point I suppose, to distract from the obvious.

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,143 ✭✭✭akelly02


    Floyd via KO-TKO
    noc1980 wrote: »
    Age. Father Time is undefeated as they say.
    38 yr old Tyson was battered by Kevin fecking McBride for God's sake.
    Yes 40yr old Floyd > 38yr old Tyson, but 37yr old Tyson KOs McBride in under a minute.
    An athlete in his late 30s can see his decline go from gradual to cliff face almost overnight. If anyone can be the exception it is Floyd but age makes this contest more interesting.

    37 grand not a bother on him
    38 oh hes bolloxed


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,449 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Floyd via KO-TKO
    akelly02 wrote: »
    37 grand not a bother on him
    38 oh hes bolloxed

    Yes, but remember.....it can happen overnight!:p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,693 ✭✭✭A Shaved Duck?


    Floyd via DQ
    walshb wrote: »
    Yes, but remember.....it can happen overnight!:p

    Shh lads lets them keep backing Mcgregor... the KO/TKO for mayweather is at 8/11 now.... ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,380 ✭✭✭The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman


    Floyd via DQ
    The gloves thing is a proper red herring for people isn't it?

    Ignores the fact that the majority of the padding is focused on protecting the hand, the ligament area/thumb etc rather then the knuckles :D

    I saw the talking heads on Sky yesterday discussing them too but in fairness they did reach the conclusion that the 8oz and 10oz felt basically the same, and very soft/thin at the knuckle. Bit more weight near the wrist in the 10oz. It is a talking point I suppose, to distract from the obvious.

    They've used every possible way to make this seem like it could be a close fight.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,377 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Draw
    I think most people more or less agree that Conor has a slim chance in a boxing match and inversely, Floyd has a slim chance in an MMA fight. People have their own (often hyperbolic) definition of the specific chance. Let’s just leave them as being subjective “slim”. I’m not trying to rehash either of those discussions.

    However, because their chances are roughly opposite in either sport, that suggests that there is a midway ruleset that it close to 50/50? I’ve kinda been wondering what that ruleset might be. I think once you start adding various Muay Thai techniques it start to slide towards Conor quickly. But it gets complicated fast.

    Then I thought, what about alternating rounds (like Chessboxing).

    3 minute rounds. 10 rounds. 1st round Boxing rules, 2nd MMA rules, alternating after that? (assume they can change gloves without issue)
    Who wins?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,449 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Floyd via KO-TKO
    Mellor wrote: »
    I think most people more or less agree that Conor has a slim chance in a boxing match and inversely, Floyd has a slim chance in an MMA fight. People have their own (often hyperbolic) definition of the specific chance. Let’s just leave them as being subjective “slim”. I’m not trying to rehash either of those discussions.

    However, because their chances are roughly opposite in either sport, that suggests that there is a midway ruleset that it close to 50/50? I’ve kinda been wondering what that ruleset might be. I think once you start adding various Muay Thai techniques it start to slide towards Conor quickly. But it gets complicated fast.

    Then I thought, what about alternating rounds (like Chessboxing).

    3 minute rounds. 10 rounds. 1st round Boxing rules, 2nd MMA rules, alternating after that? (assume they can change gloves without issue)
    Who wins?

    1st rd boxing rules? Any "killer" type boxer would have Conor out cold within 3 minutes.

    Floyd? Be a little tight, but yes, if he grew a pair of balls and decided to go for it he takes Conor out in 1 rd.

    If he doesn't get him out then Conor would win the 2nd rd via MMA rules.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Floyd via DQ
    Mellor wrote: »
    I think most people more or less agree that Conor has a slim chance in a boxing match and inversely, Floyd has a slim chance in an MMA fight. People have their own (often hyperbolic) definition of the specific chance. Let’s just leave them as being subjective “slim”. I’m not trying to rehash either of those discussions.

    However, because their chances are roughly opposite in either sport, that suggests that there is a midway ruleset that it close to 50/50? I’ve kinda been wondering what that ruleset might be. I think once you start adding various Muay Thai techniques it start to slide towards Conor quickly. But it gets complicated fast.

    Then I thought, what about alternating rounds (like Chessboxing).

    3 minute rounds. 10 rounds. 1st round Boxing rules, 2nd MMA rules, alternating after that? (assume they can change gloves without issue)
    Who wins?

    Thread is well over the shark now.

    What about if Floyd could grow wings and fly, but Conor could become invisible??? Who wins?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,377 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Draw
    walshb wrote: »
    1st rd boxing rules? Any "killer" type boxer would have Conor out cold within 3 minutes.

    I was asking about Floyd specifically as the chances are largely dependent on he exact fighters.
    The follow up would be same question, with rounds reversed.


    "If Floyd takes him out he wins, if he doesn't McGregor wins" - kinda covering all the bases there.
    Do you think Floyd has a 50% chance to do it in 3 mins? More less. Same question for McGregor.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 761 ✭✭✭GerryDerpy


    Conor via DQ
    If my aunty had balls...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,449 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Floyd via KO-TKO
    Mellor wrote: »
    I was asking about Floyd specifically as the chances are largely dependent on he exact fighters.
    The follow up would be same question, with rounds reversed.


    "If Floyd takes him out he wins, if he doesn't McGregor wins" - kinda covering all the bases there.
    Do you think Floyd has a 50% chance to do it in 3 mins? More less. Same question for McGregor.

    Well, yes he has a 50 percent chance in the yes/no variety.

    It would seem to be more difficult for Floyd to do it in one rd (vs. Conor doing it in MMA in one rd) via boxing rules due to him only being allowed to punch. Conor could move, cover up and fight back.

    It would be tight, but Floyd could get it done maybe via a body shot or two or three. Conor covers up well to the head, say, and then leaves the body exposed...

    I'll bet he does it and gets Conor out. I'd be 70 percent sure

    Reverse....Conor and Floyd in the larger Octagon, I assume? If so then Floyd has plenty space to retreat and move. Conor still has to be careful of getting hit with a punch that could end it. Floyd is a great athlete as well as a very clever athlete/boxer.

    Conor does have the advantage of being allowed take downs and kicks and grappling etc, but he still has to connect and make contact.

    3 minutes in the Octagon under MMA rules.......

    I don't know that I'd give Conor the same chance here due to the Octagon being bigger and allowing Floyd even more room to move.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 761 ✭✭✭GerryDerpy


    Conor via DQ
    walshb wrote: »
    Well, yes he has a 50 percent chance in the yes/no variety.

    It would seem to be more difficult for Floyd to do it in one rd (vs. Conor doing it in MMA in one rd) via boxing rules due to him only being allowed to punch. Conor could move, cover up and fight back.

    It would be tight, but Floyd could get it done maybe via a body shot or two or three. Conor covers up well to the head, say, and then leaves the body exposed...

    I'll bet he does it and gets Conor out. I'd be 70 percent sure

    Reverse....Conor and Floyd in the larger Octagon, I assume? If so then Floyd has plenty space to retreat and move. Conor still has to be careful of getting hit with a punch that could end it. Floyd is a great athlete as well as a very clever athlete/boxer.

    Conor does have the advantage of being allowed take downs and kicks and grappling etc, but he still has to connect and make contact.

    3 minutes in the Octagon under MMA rules.......

    I don't know that I'd give Conor the same chance here due to the Octagon being bigger and allowing Floyd even more room to move.

    Floyd doing laps of the octagon with Conor chasing. Funny image.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,449 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Floyd via KO-TKO
    GerryDerpy wrote: »
    Floyd doing laps of the octagon with Conor chasing. Funny image.

    Then Conor gets careless and walks into a "hail mary," even funnier!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,710 ✭✭✭✭Paully D


    Floyd via KO-TKO
    Conor would choke Floyd unconscious within 30 seconds under MMA rules. Either that or he'd knock his head off his shoulders with a head kick, or maybe he'd decide to take him down and put his head through the canvas via ground and pound.

    Floyd will win this boxing match comfortably, but let's make no mistake about who the real killer is.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,377 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Draw
    Thread is well over the shark now.

    What about if Floyd could grow wings and fly, but Conor could become invisible??? Who wins?
    Awh, are you still salty because I called you on your spoofing? :pac::pac::pac:


    I was trying to think of a halfway rule set between boxing and MMA. But I figure people wouldn't get close to agreeing who wins with clinching, and elbows etc.


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