ISIS Terrorist Attack in Barcelona

AlekSmart · 18-08-2017 08:04PM

Mutant z wrote: »

They are'nt compatible with our way of life its as simple as that.

Well,as individuals,the average Muslim is VERY compatible with "Our way of life",to the extent of arriving in ever increasing numbers seeking to avail of it's benefits.

However,as Europe is fast discovering,our understanding of what constitutes religious devotion,is at a somewhat different level from that of Islam,which demands somewhat more active committment than,what we are now comfortable with.

One would wonder why so many Muslims wish to enter the home country of "The Great Satan" himself,but they surely do....

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/01/30/key-facts-about-refugees-to-the-u-s/

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Nearly 39,000 Muslim refugees entered the U.S. in fiscal 2016, the highest number on record, according to a Pew Research Center analysis of data from the State Department’s Refugee Processing Center. Muslims made up nearly half (46%) of refugee admissions, a higher share than for Christians, who accounted for 44% of refugees admitted. Muslims exceeded Christians on this measure for the first time since 2006, when a large number of Somali refugees entered the U.S. From fiscal years 2002 to 2016, the U.S. admitted 399,677 Christian refugees and 279,339 Muslim refugees, meaning that 46% of all refugees who have entered the U.S. during this time have been Christian while 32% have been Muslim.

The issues for Western Society are not with Muslims,but rather with Islam itself and it's continued reluctance to recognise it's own continuance depends upon it's willingness to set it's own adherents free from the restrictions of the Middle Ages.

The events of the past few months,appear to indicate it is,as yet unready or unwilling to move with the times.

ricero · 18-08-2017 08:10PM

Its funny how the image of the dead refugee child on the beach was used as a propoganda tool by the liberal left minded media to open our borders to the refugees, yet the image of the dead child caused by islamic extremism is ignored by all media and newspapers this morning.

Media these days are horrible agenda driven machines

Gravelly · 18-08-2017 08:10PM

Your Face · 18-08-2017 08:12PM

Gravelly wrote: »

That's getting carried away now.

Richard Hillman · 18-08-2017 08:14PM

Mutant z wrote: »

They arnt compatible with our way of life its as simple as that.

Or any other way of life that isn't their own. Just ask the people of Russia, India, China, Phillipines, Western/Central/Eastern Africa. They are at war at EVERY front.

Mutant z · 18-08-2017 08:14PM

murpho999 wrote: »

Ok so now we're getting somewhere.

Ireland's population is now 4.7m according to 2016 census.

Census also states there are 63,000 muslims living here. that equates to 1.34% of the population. It's a tiny number.

So I don't see what trouble we are heading for.

You also do not state how many we have taken in as many of the 63k would have been living here peacefully for years and you also forget that many of these muslims would be non immigrant Irish people who have converted.

Are you implying that all of these 63k muslims are terrorists?

Also, the largest group behind Christianity and the fastest increasing is those of no religion.

The more muslims there is the more chance of jihadis, i dont care how many there are its not worth the risk, personally 1 jihadi is too many, the bigger the muslim population gets, the more jihadis you have, its as simple as that. BTW i was referring to those of faith, naturally excluding those of no faith, islam is the largest faith behind christianity which is a fact.

Divelment · 18-08-2017 08:17PM

AlekSmart wrote: »

Well,as individuals,the average Muslim is VERY compatible with "Our way of life",to the extent of arriving in ever increasing numbers seeking to avail of it's benefits.

However,as Europe is fast discovering,our understanding of what constitutes religious devotion,is at a somewhat different level from that of Islam,which demands somewhat more active committment than,what we are now comfortable with.

One would wonder why so many Muslims wish to enter the home country of "The Great Satan" himself,but they surely do....

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/01/30/key-facts-about-refugees-to-the-u-s/

The issues for Western Society are not with Muslims,but rather with Islam itself and it's continued reluctance to recognise it's own continuance depends upon it's willingness to set it's own adherents free from the restrictions of the Middle Ages.

The events of the past few months,appear to indicate it is,as yet unready or unwilling to move with the times.

Race or religion actually doesn't come into this whatsoever. This is where we have allowed this whole argument in favour of "multiculturalism", to come completely in underneath us. The Australian immigration authorities, who very successfully operate controls over their borders, they don't concern themselves with the race, religion or nationality of those who seek to gain illegal entry into their country. They don't care who you are, or where you are from, what colour you are or what religion you are.

They don't waste time wondering is this or that religion compatible with how life is conducted in Australia. The simple philosophy is that if you are not there legally then you are not going to be allowed to stay there, it's a zero tolerance approach!

And if you are there illegally, they'll pick you up and deport you, there is none of what you see going on here in Ireland where you could go into any suburban industrial estate in Dublin and find dozens of people there who are here illegally. And they'll deport you within days, no 10 years of free legal aid and challenging a ministerial deportation order all the way up to the Supreme Court and then into the European Courts of Justice, all funded by the taxpayer! If they saw the system we operate I reckon they'd be laughing for a week when you see the reckless disregard for taxpayers money where deportation orders are effectively enforceable in the first instance, allowing appeal after appeal, it's one giant big crooked system that is nothing less than a scam operated by the Irish legal industry.

We need to adopt the Australian model, but this will never be possible until something else comes along that will replace FF/FG/Labour/SF/Social Dems/AAA/PBP, because our whole system of political representation is made up of people who have never worked in the private sector, they are all school teachers, career politicians or people who have had their noses in the national trough for their entire public sector careers. They have no notion of the value of money, of the cost of the taxpayer of funding these asylum rejection appeals into the Supreme Court and further, their attitude to expenditure is that there is a blank cheque there to pay for anything that needs to be paid for by the state.

jackofalltrades · 18-08-2017 08:21PM

murpho999 wrote: »

The attackers yesterday are radicalised extremists using religion as an excuse to carry out their sick attacks. Simple as that.

Based on what evidence?
Do you really think these people are just sitting around anxious to kill loads of people, but can't until they have an excuse?
The prisons full of murders easily disproves your theory.

Census also states there are 63,000 muslims living here. that equates to 1.34% of the population. It's a tiny number.

So I don't see what trouble we are heading for.

From here.

Islamic extremists now number "100 or more" in Ireland, a leading Muslim cleric has warned.
Shaykh Dr Muhammad Umar al-Qadri said he warned two years ago that extremism posed a problem to Ireland "but nobody listened".

A leading Muslim cleric is constantly warning us that there is an Islamist problem in Ireland.
One of his followers were beaten up for putting up a poster to a peace rally.
At the rally they were threatened again.
He has repeatedly warned that young muslims are being exposed to extremism.
The Gards have several Islamists under surveillance and ISIS fighters are slipping back into the country.
And despite all of this you don't see us running into trouble.
The phrase "there are none so blind as those who will not see" comes to mind here.

Mehapoy · 18-08-2017 08:27PM

murpho999 wrote: »

Mutant z wrote: »

Islam is the largest faith behind Christianity in this country with a population of about 60,000 and growing which is probably an underestimate being official census figures, you can see the kind of trouble we will be heading in the future, it doesnt bode well.

Ok so now we're getting somewhere.

Ireland's population is now 4.7m according to 2016 census.

Census also states there are 63,000 muslims living here. that equates to 1.34% of the population. It's a tiny number.

So I don't see what trouble we are heading for.

You also do not state how many we have taken in as many of the 63k would have been living here peacefully for years and you also forget that many of these muslims would be non immigrant Irish people who have converted.

Are you implying that all of these 63k muslims are terrorists?

Also, the largest group behind Christianity and the fastest increasing is those of no religion.

So the Muslim population is a tiny percentage and we have, so far, No problems, compared with France, England, Sweden, Belgium, Germany where there are more Muslims as a percentage of the population and terrorist incidents have been getting more and more frequent since 2005...doesn't take a genius to figure out what we need to do to keep it like that does it?

18-08-2017 08:27PM

ricero wrote: »

Its funny how the image of the dead refugee child on the beach was used as a propoganda tool by the liberal left minded media to open our borders to the refugees, yet the image of the dead child caused by islamic extremism is ignored by all media and newspapers this morning.

Media these days are horrible agenda driven machines

The image of Aylan Al-Kurdi was not used as part of any mainstream or 'liberal left' campaign for open borders.

Plenty of us on the left disagree with the viability of open borders.

Most of us are saying that there should be a co-ordinated system of immigration into the E.U., just like there is in the U.S.A., including the American process whereby migrants can apply for a diversity visa program from their home country, including Ireland.

The U.S., for all its faults, has been a shining example to the entire world regrading the prudent and beneficial control of immigration in a way that has benefitted its economy & its society enormously.

The criticisms of the U.S.'s policy under Trump isn't even about some left-wing aspiration of open borders. It's about destroying a system that has worked very well, and which has unfairly castiagted particular nationalities, e.g. Mexicans, in an arbitrary and perhaps a racist way.

Snake Plisken · 18-08-2017 08:27PM

jackofalltrades wrote: »

Based on what evidence?
Do you really think these people are just sitting around anxious to kill loads of people, but can't until they have an excuse?
The prisons full of murders easily disproves your theory.

From here.

A leading Muslim cleric is constantly warning us that there is an Islamist problem in Ireland.
One of his followers were beaten up for putting up a poster to a peace rally.
At the rally they were threatened again.
He has repeatedly warned that young muslims are being exposed to extremism.
The Gards have several Islamists under surveillance and ISIS fighters are slipping back into the country.
And despite all of this you don't see us running into trouble.
The phrase "there are none so blind as those who will not see" comes to mind here.

Exactly sure didn't one of the Muslim terrorists who carried out the last major attack in London live in Rathmines and attended either the Mosque in SCR or Clonskeagh!
Less not forget the arrest of the guy last week forging passports and other documents for ISIS!

Mehapoy · 18-08-2017 08:29PM

Divelment wrote: »

AlekSmart wrote: »

Well,as individuals,the average Muslim is VERY compatible with "Our way of life",to the extent of arriving in ever increasing numbers seeking to avail of it's benefits.

However,as Europe is fast discovering,our understanding of what constitutes religious devotion,is at a somewhat different level from that of Islam,which demands somewhat more active committment than,what we are now comfortable with.

One would wonder why so many Muslims wish to enter the home country of "The Great Satan" himself,but they surely do....

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/01/30/key-facts-about-refugees-to-the-u-s/

The issues for Western Society are not with Muslims,but rather with Islam itself and it's continued reluctance to recognise it's own continuance depends upon it's willingness to set it's own adherents free from the restrictions of the Middle Ages.

The events of the past few months,appear to indicate it is,as yet unready or unwilling to move with the times.

Race or religion actually doesn't come into this whatsoever. This is where we have allowed this whole argument in favour of "multiculturalism", to come completely in underneath us. The Australian immigration authorities, who very successfully operate controls over their borders, they don't concern themselves with the race, religion or nationality of those who seek to gain illegal entry into their country. They don't care who you are, or where you are from, what colour you are or what religion you are.

They don't waste time wondering is this or that religion compatible with how life is conducted in Australia. The simple philosophy is that if you are not there legally then you are not going to be allowed to stay there, it's a zero tolerance approach!

And if you are there illegally, they'll pick you up and deport you, there is none of what you see going on here in Ireland where you could go into any suburban industrial estate in Dublin and find dozens of people there who are here illegally. And they'll deport you within days, no 10 years of free legal aid and challenging a ministerial deportation order all the way up to the Supreme Court and then into the European Courts of Justice, all funded by the taxpayer! If they saw the system we operate I reckon they'd be laughing for a week when you see the reckless disregard for taxpayers money where deportation orders are effectively enforceable in the first instance, allowing appeal after appeal, it's one giant big crooked system that is nothing less than a scam operated by the Irish legal industry.

We need to adopt the Australian model, but this will never be possible until something else comes along that will replace FF/FG/Labour/SF/Social Dems/AAA/PBP, because our whole system of political representation is made up of people who have never worked in the private sector, they are all school teachers, career politicians or people who have had their noses in the national trough for their entire public sector careers. They have no notion of the value of money, of the cost of the taxpayer of funding these asylum rejection appeals into the Supreme Court and further, their attitude to expenditure is that there is a blank cheque there to pay for anything that needs to be paid for by the state.

Our politicians are answerable to the EU/ Germany primarily...and EU masters seem determined to change Europe demographics...

tupenny · 18-08-2017 08:32PM

I saw pictures of thousands at the Barcelona vigil, why is everyone taking photos and videoing the it? It almost seems disrespectful. Will they put them on social media?

AnthonyCny · 18-08-2017 08:45PM

wakka12 wrote: »

Isis terrorist attacks seem extremely poorly planned and executed. For instance this attack was originally supposed to be a bomb attack , but they blew up their resourcses accidentally at the residential house in Alancar. And Im surprised that a truck barreling down a narrow busy pedestrian street only killed 13. And then the second attack at the tourist resort was completely botched and all 4 terrorist were killed by police.

A well executed original plan would have killed hundreds of people..I guess we are actually really lucky only 14 died.

I was thinking this yesterday. I think it's only really really stupid people they get to do these attacks.

Simpletons.

Mutant z · 18-08-2017 08:50PM

The left are running out of apologies for the religion of mayhem.

end of the road · 18-08-2017 08:58PM

Divelment wrote: »

The Australian immigration authorities, who very successfully operate controls over their borders, they don't concern themselves with the race, religion or nationality of those who seek to gain illegal entry into their country. They don't care who you are, or where you are from, what colour you are or what religion you are.

their controls are no different to ours really, apart from the human rights abuses in the offshore camps. their so called successes are overstated, all though they are willing to provide funding and resources.

Divelment wrote: »

They don't waste time wondering is this or that religion compatible with how life is conducted in Australia. The simple philosophy is that if you are not there legally then you are not going to be allowed to stay there, it's a zero tolerance approach!

if they catch you. there are illegals in australia, some who have been there for years.

Divelment wrote: »

And if you are there illegally, they'll pick you up and deport you

if you come to their attention they will pick you up yes. as i said, there are illegals in australia, some there for years.

Divelment wrote: »

We need to adopt the Australian model

we don't. our system works. it needs the staff and funding though.

Divelment wrote: »

this will never be possible

correct as it's pointless for our needs.

Divelment wrote: »

our whole system of political representation is made up of people who have never worked in the private sector

so what? you would sware the private sector was some bastian of perfectness where nothing wrong happens and where every single thing is efficient and no waste happens. the reality is somewhat different, of course.

Divelment wrote: »

they are all career politicians

well yes, generally being a politician would be a career. they are after all supposed to dedicate their lives to the public.

jmayo · 18-08-2017 10:05PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Does ISIS sh1t in the woods?

Yes. They are bears. Sexy, sexy beardy bears.

What is with you. :eek:
Seriously man every thread, you have to drag in animals to it.

Besides I take exception to your comparison of those scum with bears.
Bears are magnificent creatures.

Dilan Jolly Ant wrote: »

Few interesting items on the news today

iii) Morocco is definitely off the holiday list now, 15 boys were arrested for 'intimate relations' with a donkey this week. To be verified, but have read this on a couple of news websites. ...

You do know that some religious court/village elders will find that the donkey led them astray, much like girls are blamed for their rapes, and it will be put down.
Or maybe one of them will have to marry it. :rolleyes:

BillyBobBS · 18-08-2017 10:12PM

Reading Antifa scum attacked innocent people tonight in Barcelona as they lawfully protested against Islamic extremists. Animals of the lowest kind.

18-08-2017 10:13PM

jmayo wrote: »

What is with you. :eek:
Seriously man every thread, you have to drag in animals to it.

It was a reference to 'bears' in gay culture.

I was trying to imply that Isis might be an outlet for overcompensating, repressed homosexuals, using irony.

It didn't quite work, did it? I'll stick to the bestiality in future!

BillyBobBS wrote: »

Reading Antifa scum attacked innocent people notorious Fascists tonight in Barcelona as they lawfully protested against Islamic extremists. Animals of the lowest kind.

FYP

Are you familiar with Falangism?

Divelment · 18-08-2017 10:15PM

end of the road wrote: »

we don't. our system works. it needs the staff and funding though.

You obviously have no real life experience in this area whereas I do because of the industry I work in, which has been completely overrun by migrant labour, some of it from another EU country, who we are obliged to let come here uninpeded to work because of our EU membership, but there are as many from non EU countries coming here to work and they are mainly operating in the black market. There are HUGE numbers of illegals working here from non EU countries, but I have yet to once hear of a raid on a premises by a state agency, enforcing our immigration laws. In 20 years of seeing more and more people coming here who are clearly not from an EU country, I have let to see or hear of a single enforcement event in this country by a state agency, such as a raid on a premises.

You go into any service station in Dublin and I guarantee you that you will most likely be served at the till by someone from a non EU country such as (A) Mauritius, (B) India, or (C) Pakistan or (D) China. They come here on a student visa and it's all a blag, there is no supervision of the laws in this area and there is no enforcement of the laws in this area. Hence why you will see people working 5 days a week, 40 hours a week on a student visa when they are only allowed to work 15 hours. Then we act all confused and bewildered when we find that we have no housing stock for sale or to let in our capital city and our hospitals are operating beyond capacity and our schools are over subscribed, because these people have housing and healthcare needs, they have kids who then have educational needs.

It is in the context of this absence of any enforcement whatsoever of our immigration laws, that has so many people based here who are completely unknown to the authorities. In the case of Islamic extremists, these people present a major security risk and I doubt the Gardai have a clue who half of them even are or where they are based because many of them are here illegally and are basically living in an underground society.

dublinman1990 · 18-08-2017 10:22PM

Spanish media is widely reporting that the van driver who was committing the horrific acts in Las Ramblas yesterday was shot dead by police in Cambrils last night. He was 1 of 5 terrorists who was in the Audi A3 car mounting the pavement in Cambrils and killed 1 person and injuring 5 others which also included an injured police officer. Moussa Oukabir, who was the 17 year old van driver in the Barcelona attacks, is now confirmed to have been killed by Spanish police.

He was a Spanish citizen from Girona.

EDIT: There is more information regarding the other suspects.

Younes Abouyaaqoub is still on the run by Spanish police.

Three of the other suspects including Oukabir named as Sais Aallaa and Mohamed Hycham were shot dead by police in Cambrils last night.

Four other suspects have been arrested in connection with the attack.

tonycascarino · 18-08-2017 10:35PM

dublinman1990 wrote: »

Moussa Oukabir, who was the 17 year old van driver in the Barcelona attacks, is now confirmed to have been killed by Spanish police.

He was a Spanish citizen from Girona.

Just because you are born in a stable it doesn't make you a horse. I'd say he was about as Spanish as Darby O'Gill

mezzz · 18-08-2017 10:42PM

warning

MINIMUM SAFE PRESSURE POINT HAS BEEN EXCEEDED

hull integrity in jeopardy

WARNING; CONTAINMENT FIELD RUPTURE!!

TOO LATE !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LR9Ws61mwRI

SafeSurfer · 18-08-2017 10:43PM

Europe has already lost the struggle against radical Islam.
There are already many areas of major European cities which are beyond the reach of European culture and justice.

Gadaffi was taken out shortly after paying over billions in compensation to the Lockerbie bombing and giving up his weapons programmes.
The UN sanctioned no fly zone was used by the west to destroy the Libyan military fighting insurgents.
Meanwhile the US, UK and France sign record breaking arms deals with Saudi Arabia, which is involved in a war of annihilation in Yemen.

screamer · 18-08-2017 10:47PM

Those evil fckers in cambrils were shot dead by a female police officer. No heaven and virgins for them so......

end of the road · 18-08-2017 10:52PM

tonycascarino wrote: »

Just because you are born in a stable it doesn't make you a horse.

however, if you are born in a country as your parents live in that country, you are from that country. deal with it.

tonycascarino wrote: »

I'd say he was about as Spanish as Darby O'Gill

you'd say wrong. the terrorist was spanish. deal with it.

mezzz wrote: »

warning

MINIMUM SAFE PRESSURE POINT HAS BEEN EXCEEDED

hull integrity in jeopardy

WARNING; CONTAINMENT FIELD RUPTURE!!

TOO LATE !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LR9Ws61mwRI

love it. great track.

Yamanoto · 18-08-2017 10:55PM

Divelment wrote: »

There are HUGE numbers of illegals working here from non EU countries, but I have yet to once hear of a raid on a premises by a state agency, enforcing our immigration laws. In 20 years of seeing more and more people coming here who are clearly not from an EU country, I have let to see or hear of a single enforcement event in this country by a state agency, such as a raid on a premises.

You go into any service station in Dublin and I guarantee you that you will most likely be served at the till by someone from a non EU country such as (A) Mauritius, (B) India, or (C) Pakistan or (D) China. They come here on a student visa and it's all a blag, there is no supervision of the laws in this area and there is no enforcement of the laws in this area. Hence why you will see people working 5 days a week, 40 hours a week on a student visa when they are only allowed to work 15 hours.

Nobody in authority appears to regard the widespread overstay and abuse of student & holiday visas as a problem.

Indeed, once someone successfully blags their way beyond an immigration kiosk at Dublin airport, the chances of being able to make a life in this country appear pretty damned good.

Nettle Soup · 18-08-2017 10:55PM

Divelment wrote: »

You obviously have no real life experience in this area whereas I do because of the industry I work in, which has been completely overrun by migrant labour, some of it from another EU country, who we are obliged to let come here uninpeded to work because of our EU membership, but there are as many from non EU countries coming here to work and they are mainly operating in the black market. There are HUGE numbers of illegals working here from non EU countries, but I have yet to once hear of a raid on a premises by a state agency, enforcing our immigration laws. In 20 years of seeing more and more people coming here who are clearly not from an EU country, I have let to see or hear of a single enforcement event in this country by a state agency, such as a raid on a premises.

You go into any service station in Dublin and I guarantee you that you will most likely be served at the till by someone from a non EU country such as (A) Mauritius, (B) India, or (C) Pakistan or (D) China.

China??? Are you sure?
The Chinese economy has been roaring for decades. Why would they be working in service stations in grotty Dublin??

BillyBobBS · 18-08-2017 10:57PM

screamer wrote: »

Those evil fckers in cambrils were shot dead by a female police officer. No heaven and virgins for them so......

Hope they died roaring for their mammy in dire dire pain just like the ISIS scum they are.

tonycascarino · 18-08-2017 10:58PM

end of the road wrote: »

however, if you are born in a country as your parents live in that country, you are from that country. deal with it.

you'd say wrong. the terrorist was spanish. deal with it.

...in your opinion. In mine, he was North African to the core. Deal with it.

ISIS Terrorist Attack in Barcelona

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