ISIS Terrorist Attack in Barcelona

Syphonax · 18-08-2017 03:49PM

Strong Life in Dublin wrote: »

Another attack? this time in Finland, what have the poor people in Finland ever done to Muslims?

Allowed them in.

Aristotle145 · 18-08-2017 03:49PM

Strong Life in Dublin wrote: »

Another attack? this time in Finland, what have the poor people in Finland ever done to Muslims?

Just helping poor refugees that shows their gratitude by killing them.
Seems like its many like that,these days.

FraR · 18-08-2017 03:50PM

Lux23 wrote: »

I can't see that making any difference. Unfortunately, there seem to be lads (and occasionally young women) born and bred in European countries that get radicalised, I can see this happening more if Europe takes a harder line with immigrants from Muslim countries. Tactically, it is a bad move. Close borders, open borders - you can't win and we may never see an end to this.

Of course closing the borders would make a difference. If it weren't for Europe's insane immigration policies of the past few decades, these people simply wouldn't be here and we wouldn't have such an issue with Islamic terrorism.

This is a wholly imported problem and it's time to close the borders or else it will get much worse.

Lux23 · 18-08-2017 03:51PM

Aristotle145 wrote: »

Remember there are generations to come as well,you want them to suffer from this too?

What does that even mean?

Strong Life in Dublin · 18-08-2017 03:51PM

If they attack Finland then Ireland is most definitely not safe, we would be a bigger target than Finland.

Mehapoy · 18-08-2017 03:51PM

end of the road wrote: »

Mehapoy wrote: »

I was in Australia at the time of the 'stop the boats' campaign by tony abbot, and while many didn't think it would work at all, the numbers doing the crossing fell dramatically in the weeks after it was introduced, they totally smashed the people smugglers business model and the numbers being drowned went to zero almost overnight.

not true, the numbers crossing were always very low but were way way over exaggerated by tony abbot, who had a tendantsy to over exaggerate everything for political effect.

Mehapoy wrote: »

Our politicians, beholden as they are to Merkel and the EU, would not have the courage to take on the vocal left wing 'progressives' we have here and pull the Navy back from duties as a taxi service for people smugglers.

politicians are not beholden to Merkel and the EU, and the so-called vocal left wing progressives don't make the decisians. it was the politicians who made the decisians and the majority supported such decisians.

Mehapoy wrote: »

The best thing that could happen aswell would be the smashing of the vocal left wing progressives movement that has risen up around the EU.

lol. how do you see that happening exactly? and are we going to have to endure far right nutjobs instead? i'd take left wing vocal progressives over the far right any day.

A few points, there were a number of drownings of asylum seekers before abbot implemented the policy. That number shrank dramatically, that is uncontestable fact.
I don't remember the Irish electorate being consulted in whether our Navy would base themselves in the Mediterranean and act as a ferry service to italy?
The swing to the far right is a direct result of the left wing progressives taking over debate and screaming islamaphobia, xenophobia and racist at anyway that wants border controls, remember the outcry amongst the left when age verification of refugees was suggested. The sooner the far left is neutered in Europe and the far right with them well have a much happier time.

gitzy16v · 18-08-2017 03:51PM

FraR wrote: »

Of course closing the borders would make a difference. If it weren't for Europe's insane immigration policies of the past few decades, these people simply wouldn't be here and we wouldn't have such an issue with Islamic terrorism.

This is a wholly imported problem and it's time to close the borders or else it will get much worse.

It certainly wont get any better leaving the borders open thats for sure.

Aristotle145 · 18-08-2017 03:53PM

Lux23 wrote: »

What does that even mean?

It means your kids will suffer as well from the horror of terrorism

end of the road · 18-08-2017 03:53PM

Aristotle145 wrote: »

Did he live in a no go zone or parallell society in Ireland,or was he actually integrated?

it's irrelevant. is he irish or not?

Gravelly wrote: »

Most of us would rather tens of thousands arrested in the wrong than the sight of children's bodies lying in the street. You need to look at your priorities. I know you feel for these guys, but a few days or weeks in prison being checked out is a small thing compared to the death of innocents, even if those innocents are unbelievers.

wrong, most would rather that neither happened. most believe that targeting innocent people is wrong end of. only extremists believe targeting innocent people is okay. being imprisoned just to be checked out is against democracy.

FraR · 18-08-2017 03:53PM

FTA69 wrote: »

Sorry but a second or third generation immigrant is native. What are you suggesting otherwise? That we somehow round up people descended from migrants? Which migrant groups and how far back?

Half of the nutters committing terrorist acts in the U.K. were of African or West Indian descent and were Islamic converts, there's more than a few white radical Muslims about too who have been involved in notorious groups.

I'm not suggesting there isn't a problem by the way, but it isn't some simplistic issue involving hordes of foreigners - rather a problem involving our own citizens.

They are not native to this continent. Absurd to suggest that Africans and Arabs are native Europeans. We made a huge mistake with mass immigration over the past few decades. We can't change that but we can ensure we don't make the situation even worse by allowing even more in.

The borders simply must be shut. This cannot continue.

Irish Praetorian · 18-08-2017 03:54PM

FTA69 wrote: »

Sorry but a second or third generation immigrant is native. What are you suggesting otherwise? That we somehow round up people descended from migrants? Which migrant groups and how far back?

Half of the nutters committing terrorist acts in the U.K. were of African or West Indian descent and were Islamic converts, there's more than a few white radical Muslims about too who have been involved in notorious groups.

I'm not suggesting there isn't a problem by the way, but it isn't some simplistic issue involving hordes of foreigners - rather a problem involving our own citizens.

It's not a problem of migrants for those countries who already have existing communities in place, but for nations like ours and those of Eastern Europe that do not (as such) it would be a very wise and very popular idea to simply not follow the same route of our British and French neighbours.

Gravelly · 18-08-2017 03:57PM

end of the road wrote: »

wrong, most would rather that neither happened. most believe that targeting innocent people is wrong end of. only extremists believe targeting innocent people is okay. being imprisoned just to be checked out is against democracy.

Better tell that to the Gardai quick - they arrest people under suspicion every day of the week. Loads of 'em.

Love that you think arresting someone on suspicion of being a terrorist is on par with children being murdered. You've quite the moral compass.

Mehapoy · 18-08-2017 03:57PM

FraR wrote: »

FTA69 wrote: »

Sorry but a second or third generation immigrant is native. What are you suggesting otherwise? That we somehow round up people descended from migrants? Which migrant groups and how far back?

Half of the nutters committing terrorist acts in the U.K. were of African or West Indian descent and were Islamic converts, there's more than a few white radical Muslims about too who have been involved in notorious groups.

I'm not suggesting there isn't a problem by the way, but it isn't some simplistic issue involving hordes of foreigners - rather a problem involving our own citizens.

They are not native to this continent. Absurd to suggest that Africans and Arabs are native Europeans. We made a huge mistake with mass immigration over the past few decades. We can't change that but we can ensure we don't make the situation even worse by allowing even more in.

The borders simply must be shut. This cannot continue.

But but but if we really pretend they are European it'll all work out! Here's a picture of a kitten to make me feel better!

Aristotle145 · 18-08-2017 03:58PM

end of the road wrote: »

it's irrelevant. is he irish or not.

Nope

FTA69 · 18-08-2017 03:59PM

FraR wrote: »

They are not native to this continent. Absurd to suggest that Africans and Arabs are native Europeans. We made a huge mistake with mass immigration over the past few decades. We can't change that but we can ensure we don't make the situation even worse by allowing even more in.

The borders simply must be shut. This cannot continue.

I never said they were "Europeans", I said they were native citizens of the countries in which they were born. Thierry Henry is French, Paul McGrath is Irish, Raheem Sterling is English. That's the way it is really. If someone is born and raised in a given country then that's generally what they are, otherwise you're into dodgy territory to be honest.

Likewise countries like the U.K. and France etc have had a Muslim population stretching back decades upon decades; this carry on is a recent phenomenon and not necessarily linked to recent migrants. Even if we followed your "shut the borders" to the letter we'd still have the same problem so it's not even that much of a solution.

end of the road · 18-08-2017 04:01PM

Mehapoy wrote: »

A few points, there were a number of drownings of asylum seekers before abbot implemented the policy. That number shrank dramatically, that is uncontestable fact.

the boats are still coming and getting through in the small numbers that they always did.

Mehapoy wrote: »

I don't remember the Irish electorate being consulted in whether our Navy would base themselves in the Mediterranean and act as a ferry service to italy?

the people's vote was the consultation.

Mehapoy wrote: »

The swing to the far right is a direct result of the left wing progressives taking over debate and screaming islamaphobia, xenophobia and racist at anyway that wants border controls,

no it isn't. that is just an excuse. people simply agree with far right views and for years they were reminded that such views have no place as they cause hate and division, whereas now they have their platform to spout. in a way that's a good thing, we need to know nutjob extremists are out there and what they think. in another way it's not a good thing as they bring trouble wherever they go.

Mehapoy wrote: »

remember the outcry amongst the left when age verification of refugees was suggested.

there was no outcry among the left. the far left sure. however in reality the proposed methods of age verification had huge potential for error and weren't reliable.

Mehapoy wrote: »

The sooner the far left is neutered in Europe and the far right with them well have a much happier time.

i completely agree.

Cheerful Spring · 18-08-2017 04:02PM

Luck and excellent police work stopped the terrorists from exploding bombs.

Luck or even a miracle: A house in Alcanar, south of Barcelona, was destroyed in a blast Wednesday night before the Barcelona attack. Sources claim it was a bomb making factory. The terrorists probably feared they be caught if they did not go ahead with a terrorist strike the next day. If they had those bombs this could have resulted in hundreds of deaths. This cell had least 6 to 7 guys we know about. More luck the police caught 5 terrorists near Cambril's.

Lux23 · 18-08-2017 04:03PM

FraR wrote: »

Of course closing the borders would make a difference. If it weren't for Europe's insane immigration policies of the past few decades, these people simply wouldn't be here and we wouldn't have such an issue with Islamic terrorism.

This is a wholly imported problem and it's time to close the borders or else it will get much worse.

It will get worse either way. If all these people are so bad, do you think they will just stand by while you tell them their friends and relatives can't visit? Would you allow them leave their home in Europe to visit family in say Pakistan? What about European Muslims in Croatia, Estonia, Albania etc. would you not allow them a chance to visit say France?

At this point, I am probably not overly concerned with a stop of immigration but I can't see it working, to be honest.

Gravelly · 18-08-2017 04:04PM

end of the road wrote: »

we need to know nutjob extremists are out there and what they think.

We certainly do end of the road, we certainly do.

Lux23 · 18-08-2017 04:05PM

Aristotle145 wrote: »

It means your kids will suffer as well from the horror of terrorism

They will whether we close the border or not. There are probably thousands of Muslim kids at risk of radicalisation already living in Europe, so why would closing the borders make any difference? Explain that to me?

murpho999 · 18-08-2017 04:05PM

Gravelly wrote: »

Most of us would rather tens of thousands arrested in the wrong than the sight of children's bodies lying in the street. You need to look at your priorities. I know you feel for these guys, but a few days or weeks in prison being checked out is a small thing compared to the death of innocents, even if those innocents are unbelievers.

Stop trying to make out that I support terrorism. I don't. You don't know anything about me.

My point all along is that not all muslim people are terrorists and not all people who are fleeing from countries like Syria are terrorists. Many are actually fleeing ISIS themselves.

The ideas promoted here of internment are ridiculous and not possible on the scale that people are talking about here.

Arresting thousands of people for being foreign and/or muslim is ridiculous and will not solve anything.

It would be huge infringement of human rights leading to thousands of innocent people being locked up.

How long do you lock them up for and how do you release them back to society.

Who pays for this?

Look at what a disaster Guantanamo Bay has been on a tiny scale and also in Northern Ireland.

Some shocking posts been here over the last 2 days that would put Donald Trump to shame.
Populst, extremist rubbish without any substance or plan.

Cheerful Spring · 18-08-2017 04:05PM

Gravelly wrote: »

Most of us would rather tens of thousands arrested in the wrong than the sight of children's bodies lying in the street. You need to look at your priorities. I know you feel for these guys, but a few days or weeks in prison being checked out is a small thing compared to the death of innocents, even if those innocents are unbelievers.

That would never work. If you prosecute a entire group of people who follow a religion, you see more people joining the extremist cause.

Lux23 · 18-08-2017 04:07PM

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

That would never work. If you prosecute a entire group of people who follow a religion, you see more people joining the extremist cause.

Yes, a massive recruitment drive for the terrorists, a mistake the Brits made several times over in Northern Ireland.

Aristotle145 · 18-08-2017 04:08PM

Lux23 wrote: »

It will get worse either way. If all these people are so bad, do you think they will just stand by while you tell them their friends and relatives can't visit? Would you allow them leave their home in Europe to visit family in say Pakistan? What about European Muslims in Croatia, Estonia, Albania etc. would you not allow them a chance to visit say France?

At this point, I am probably not overly concerned with a stop of immigration but I can't see it working, to be honest.

The problem with immigration to europe is thats its fuelling the radicalisation and also helping in the recruitment to terror.More muslims,more recruits.
Less muslims,less terror.

kunst nugget · 18-08-2017 04:10PM

Lux23 wrote: »

Yes, a massive recruitment drive for the terrorists, a mistake the Brits made several times over in Northern Ireland.

It doesn't matter how often you say it, some people won't listen or peg you as a far left terrorism apologist for mentioning it.

Lux23 · 18-08-2017 04:10PM

Aristotle145 wrote: »

The problem with immigration to europe is thats its fuelling the radicalisation and also helping in the recruitmen to terror.More muslims,more recruits.
Less muslims,less terror.

OK, I can see you're a bit of a mathematical genius, but what about the millions of Muslims that are citizens of European countries? Do you not think they will be a bit miffed with you banning their brethren? How do you plan to deal with that?

Gravelly · 18-08-2017 04:13PM

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

That would never work. If you prosecute a entire group of people who follow a religion, you see more people joining the extremist cause.

Since I suggested no such thing, I'm not sure your reply makes any sense.

Aristotle145 · 18-08-2017 04:13PM

Lux23 wrote: »

OK, I can see you're a bit of a mathematical genius, but what about the millions of Muslims that are citizens of European countries? Do you not think they will be a bit miffed with you banning their brethren? How do you plan to deal with that?

Any terrorist attacks in warzawa or Budapest?nope,reason being?no muslims.
Even a genius like you should understand that.

Cheerful Spring · 18-08-2017 04:14PM

Spanish people and foreign tourists thank god escaped the worst of it. That bomb-house factory exploding and all the bombing material no longer, can be used, i see it as a miracle or excellent luck. The worry part is an Isis cell had set up a bomb factory and it was undetected and not known about, till this incident in Barcelona!

FraR · 18-08-2017 04:15PM

Lux23 wrote: »

They will whether we close the border or not. There are probably thousands of Muslim kids at risk of radicalisation already living in Europe, so why would closing the borders make any difference? Explain that to me?

If there are thousands of Muslim kids at the "risk of radicalisation" then it's probably best not to allow anymore in.

ISIS Terrorist Attack in Barcelona

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