ISIS Terrorist Attack in Barcelona

tomwaterford wrote: »

Good intelligence gathering
It's obvious the Spanish had them under surveillance and were able to act as soon as the first moved

good intelligence is useless if they can only act when theres 13 dead bodies and over a 100 more in hospital. if they were under surveillance, then they were for a reason and you can be pretty sure, proper and adequate legal support would have seen these man locked up or deported ages ago.

tomwaterford wrote: »

It's virtually impossible to stop lads driving unless we move towards atomomus vehicles....but one thing won't stop them is mass interment and torture....only loom up the road at the 6 counties to see that

people are obsessed with this word internment and going mental at it, though it does appear to only be left wing minded people that keep bringing it up as if its some for attack on all our freedom by having a tiny tiny minority of potential/probable scum convicted for terrorism offences.

i see very few people actually asking for interment and torture, what i do see however is people demanding laws to ensure that these people are able to be convicted before carrying out these crimes.

internet usage can convict people in other parts of life, why does this not apply to terrorism?

you can be convicted for enticing hatred on towards other races, se*ualitys etc, why does this not apply to terrorism?

even claiming allegiance in any form of life towards a terrorist group, should be made a criminal offence.

and so on and so on. at this stage, sitting on our hands and doing f*ck all apart from saying "no you, you cant be saying or doing that" is no longer acceptable.

Merkel and all her gutless buddies, have failed Europe. again.

draiochtanois wrote: »

I'd rather be friends with or have a relationship with an immigrant than your ignorant, inbred, uneducated, narrow-minded, ilk.

That's it. You hadn't a hope of dispossessing that dribble wizard. In high with the studs out. Referee's back is a footballer's friend. 'stuff.

Samaris wrote: »

Understandably a terrifying one though, and there is every reason for people to be furious and horrified. No excuse for some of the sickening bullsh*t aimed at blaming the innocent, mind. For say, car accidents, they are rarely intentional and there is no ideology behind cars to murder for terror and domination. This is a very human evil and while it will be eradicated - and sadly, almost certainly will another ideology rise for those who can only express themselves through violence to latch onto - but while we are aware that there are a set group of people (by which I mean fundamentalists, not a fifth of the world bloody population) that want to murder, maim and terrorise, their attacks will gain attention. In a way, it may be counter-productive, it gives them the fuel they feed off, but it is how humans react and how they always have reacted.

Scary, horrible, terrifying, all yes. But dangerous is not the same thing. I only dispute that Europe, generally, is more dangerous broadly speaking.

Spider Web wrote: »

You're "inbred" because of what you wrote on an Internet forum apparently.

I used to be so leftwing - a notoriously leftwing poster on this site actually! - and this type of abuse hurled with impunity, along with several other reasons, is why I've moved to the centre.

The downplaying and even denial of actual occurrences (Rotherham - happened; Cologne - happened; this attack in Spain - happened) and just insults fired... is just dismaying.

I thought it was an hillariously foot stamping response! Oh noes, some random nutter on the internet who hasn't the first clue about me doesn't want to be my friend! How will I go on? :pac:

I'm only sorry I lowered myself to respond, it's best not to engage irrational people. What is George Carlin used to say? 'Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.'

In my opinion these ISIS terror attacks are similar to white supremacist terror attacks. They are both designed to fuel hate and division.
The vast majority of Muslims in Europe don't want anything to do with this violence. Just as the vast majority of Irish in Britain during the IRA campaign didn't agree with or support it.
If the terrorists can increase hate between people based on race, religion or culture then they have succeeded in their aims and we have lost.
However I do believe that unchecked, by which I literally unchecked immigration into Europe is a problem that is too taboo to be addressed by mainstream politicians. There is no political party in Ireland that has even questioned European immigration policy. They know if they did they would be branded racist.
One has to be cynical about the motivations of politicians, media and charities who object to any controls on immigration or even a reasoned debate on the issue.

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draiochtanois wrote: »

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They wanted independence from Britain.

Forcing Britain back into Catholicism through force was not part of the agenda.

Nettle Soup wrote: »

Very simplistic argument. Internment does not work. It breeds resentment and lets terrorists organise and network.

Yet again - I didn't promote internment as a solution.

How does Sweden give extremists a reason to have a chip on their shoulder? They're neutral, are unfailingly PC and tolerant yet have been hit and have multiple no go areas.

Snake Plisken wrote: »

Eventually Europe will understand that internment for anyone on intelligence watch lists is the only way to control these scum it's just how many more innocent people have to die before they see the light!

internment doesn't work and has failed everywhere it has been tried. it increased membership of the IRA when it was implemented in northern ireland. non-starter. gathering evidence and putting people on trial is the only goal to remove them from society.

Snake Plisken wrote: »

Yeah like the human rights the the innocent people who died today had until your buddies decided to end them!

that's not an argument against what i said. human rights exist for all good and bad, that's how it has to be to insure it is as impossible as it can be to remove the human rights of good people.