ISIS Terrorist Attack in Barcelona

ForestFire · 18-08-2017 10:39AM

Anyone who takes a weapon, be it a knife, Vehicle, Bomb, and threatens innocent people and children, should be shot on sight, it doesn't matter what race or religion they may have.

Any one suspected of planning any attack as above should be arrested and if proven, locked up, or deported if applicable.

The boarders need to be controlled, that does not mean anyone can't get it, but it needs control.

Anyone rescued from the Med should be safely return to where they came from. This will shut down the desire to try to make the trip and also the smugglers making the money from this.

People are arriving into the EU who have destroyed there own identification and claim to be refugees and there is no way to check who they are and their backgrounds.

I cannot enter the US/Australia and many other countries in the world without be passport and visa but we are leaving millions enter Europe like this.

The picture of the people and children should not be hidden away, this is real and its happening and people need to realise it.

wakka12 · 18-08-2017 10:41AM

5 year old Irish boy Injured in that attack, just broken leg. Hopefully no Irish fatalities

Spider Web · 18-08-2017 10:43AM

tomwaterford wrote: »

Those interested in debate/hold alternative views

But guess that's not allowed anymore?

It's "not allowed"? Who's not allowing it?

How is nitpicking in order to downplay a multiple murder "interest in debate/holding an alternative view"?

I don't think all Muslims should be demonised, I know that most ISIS victims are also Muslims, I don't think there should be internment or coercion (that would end up affecting innocent people) but I really find the whataboutery, downplaying and focus on trivial semantics - when several people have been murdered - to be utterly odious. It's like some people think they can't be both critical of Islamist violence and opposed to discrimination against Muslims.

I love too how there is emphasis on the "angry" people being the ones vociferously condemning the attack, rather than... y'know... the extremists themselves.

tomwaterford · 18-08-2017 10:44AM

Spider Web wrote: »

It's "not allowed"? Who's not allowing it?

How is nitpicking in order to downplay a multiple murder "interest in debate/holding an alternative view"?

I don't think all Muslims should be demonised, I know that most ISIS victims are also Muslims, I don't think there should be internment or coercion (that would end up affecting innocent people) but I really find the whataboutery, downplaying and focus on trivial semantics - when several people have been murdered - to be utterly odious. It's like some people think they can't be both critical of Islamist violence and opposed to discrimination against Muslims.

I love too how there is emphasis on the "angry" people being the ones vociferously condemning the attack, rather than... y'know... the extremists themselves.

I don't see any extremists posting here. ...so yanno gotta make do with what we've got :pac:

mahamageehad · 18-08-2017 10:50AM

kunst nugget wrote: »

Seriously, do people in this country not study the history of this island at all. What did internment and torture do in the North except lead to a massive increase in violence and exacerbated sectarian tensions. Many of the 'suspects' that were arrested and tortured turned out to have no connection with paramilitaries at all.

Considering the current state of our government, would you really trust them to be able to find and prove suspects are ISIS supporters? They'd make a shambles of it.

Mr. teddywinkles wrote: »

Funny thing is if they have European passports (attackers) this could be a thing waiting in hibernation in this country. But we won't know will we.

That's exactly my point though. Even if happy to blame foreigners (like everyone in the US recently was happy to blame the Klan), but we need to engage and understand the root causes of how a person can become influenced by extremists and tackle that. We don't have the same level of racial tensions in Ireland as other EU countries do, even in the big cities we tend to integrate people pretty well. But now is when we need to act to stop ourselves having home grown problems like this in 10 or 20 years.

murpho999 · 18-08-2017 10:53AM

jacksie66 wrote: »

I'm heading to Spain on Tuesday for a holiday. People are telling me not to go now. If I don't go I let these bastards win. I'm not gonna change my holiday plans because of these scum, that's exactly what they want. They try and win with fear..

Just go and have a good time.

Yesterday was awful and the deaths and injuries are tragic.

However, millions of people in the city survived it and the chances if you being caught up in something are extremely remote.

The journey to and from airports will be the most dangerous part of your trip.

tomwaterford · 18-08-2017 10:54AM

mahamageehad wrote: »

But now is when we need to act to stop ourselves having home grown problems like this in 10 or 20 years.

This is a massive point which needs to be engaged with

Kill the extremists by making their points invalid within ireland (like feminism and white supremacists) don't give them a reason to have a chip on their shoulder

Any Muslims I've worked with out here my age are just potheads and do coke etc the same as any adults my age

Gravelly · 18-08-2017 11:00AM

tomwaterford wrote: »

I don't see how it's a false equililant???
What is different?

I already explained in my previous post (though if you need it explained......)

tomwaterford wrote: »

Fun fact: not everyone in life is going to share same point as you.....don't see why those you disagree with should be shouted down

You're the one shouting people who disagree with you down.

tomwaterford wrote: »

Second post I've seen telling people to pipe down or calling them chancers vs actually discussing things on a discussion site???

I didn't tell you to pipe down, I think sympathisers should be allowed to show themselves. I told you to get out of it if you think you can bully me into your silly strawman arguments. If you want to diminish the culpability of terrorists, at least have the moral fibre to come right out and say it.

homerjay2005 · 18-08-2017 11:00AM

Nettle Soup wrote: »

Do ISIS members carry membership cards? We should also burn witches while we're at it

Also be wary of governments or administrations who use anger, fear and hatred to bring in draconian laws to control the threat and in turn the populace...we have seen it before.

so can you please tell us, how to stop these acts and people?

and im sorry, but "you cant" is not a viable answer anymore.

tomwaterford · 18-08-2017 11:06AM

Gravelly wrote: »

I already explained in my previous post (though if you need it explained......)

You're the one shouting people who disagree with you down.

I didn't tell you to pipe down, I think sympathisers should be allowed to show themselves. I told you to get out of it if you think you can bully me into your silly strawman arguments. If you want to diminish the culpability of terrorists, at least have the moral fibre to come right out and say it.

You called me a chancer???

Hardly conducive to discussion now is it??

It's not a strawman argument....I see no differences there tbh

Whatever leaps of logic you need to make its your perogative tbh....if you feel me saying this amounts to bullying...then I apoligiseg if it hurts your feelings

You can rest assured that wasn't my intention :'/
I dunno what more I can say after that

Gravelly · 18-08-2017 11:09AM

tomwaterford wrote: »

You called me a chancer???

Hardly conducive to discussion now is it??

It's not a strawman argument....I see no differences there tbh

Whatever leaps of logic you need to make its your perogative tbh....if you feel me saying this amounts to bullying...then I apoligiseg if it hurts your feelings

You can rest assured that wasn't my intention :'/
I dunno what more I can say after that

That's fine, you can go back to the deflection so, those poor terrorists can be expected to fight the internet battles too.

Beefy78 · 18-08-2017 11:10AM

M!Ck^ wrote: »

It's been listed on various reports on twitter over the last 24 hours. And used by posters trying to defend the indefensible.
Majority of these reports won't use the words Islam or Muslim.

The 'mental illness' line is typically used when the perpetrator of an atrocity is white.

tomwaterford · 18-08-2017 11:11AM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

so can you please tell us, how to stop these acts and people?

and im sorry, but "you cant" is not a viable answer anymore.

Good intelligence gathering

It's obvious the Spanish had them under surrivelence and were able to act as soon as the first moved

It's virtually impossible to stop lads driving unless we move towards atomomus vehicles....but one thing won't stop them is mass interment and torture....only loom up the road at the 6 counties to see that

Gravelly · 18-08-2017 11:13AM

tomwaterford wrote: »

Good intelligence gathering

It's obvious the Spanish had them under surrivelence and were able to act as soon as the first moved

It's virtually impossible to stop lads driving unless we move towards atomomus vehicles....but one thing won't stop them is mass interment and torture....only loom up the road at the 6 counties to see that

Is there still a war going on "up the road in the 6 counties"?

tomwaterford · 18-08-2017 11:13AM

Gravelly wrote: »

That's fine, you can go back to the deflection so, those poor terrorists can be expected to fight the internet battles too.

So no attempt to engage....but so long as your not feeling bullied it's ok:)

Gravelly · 18-08-2017 11:14AM

tomwaterford wrote: »

So no attempt to engage....but so long as your not feeling bullied it's ok:)

So no attempt to address the terrorist attacks in Spain.......but so long as you keep the thread derailed it's ok

tomwaterford · 18-08-2017 11:15AM

Gravelly wrote: »

Is there still a war going on "up the road in the 6 counties"?

Ask the member of the rira or mi5 which has a massive barracks there?

And who spend more moniter ing dissidents than Islamist? ?

Gravelly · 18-08-2017 11:16AM

tomwaterford wrote: »

Ask the member of the rira or mi5 which has a massive barracks there?

I'll repeat my question as, yet again, you keep trying to deflect and obfuscate:

Is there still a war going on "up the road in the 6 counties"?

Kimbot · 18-08-2017 11:17AM

MOD Lads knock off the petty bickering!!

Gravelly wrote: »

So no attempt to address the terrorist attacks in Spain.......but so long as you keep the thread derailed it's ok

tomwaterford wrote: »

Ask the member of the rira or mi5 which has a massive barracks there?

Mr. teddywinkles · 18-08-2017 11:22AM

Gravelly wrote: »

I'll repeat my question as, yet again, you keep trying to deflect and obfuscate:

Is there still a war going on "up the road in the 6 counties"?

I was going to ask him this but didn't. Maybe a power sharing agreement like the north going by toms comparisons. The torture line is ridiculous. Controlled immigration has its limitations too but FFS control it. Probably too late now until all cells show there ugly heads.

zcorpian88 · 18-08-2017 11:32AM

Stopped by Barcelona in summer 2009 while getting a flight back to Ireland after a trip across Spain.

A lovely city, I only spent an afternoon there and it's such a lovely pedestrianized city, had a great last day there wandering around taking photos and enjoying the buskers and the buzz of the place.

Horrifying watching the news yesterday afternoon.

How many people have to get mowed down before Europe realizes this open door policy isn't working?

cfuserkildare · 18-08-2017 11:33AM

Just a little thought for yeh all,

How do you distinguish between a Refugee and a Terrorist?

How many of these Islamic State Terrorists gained entry into Europe by claiming Refugee Status?
Perhaps not letting so many Refugees from war zones might just help avoid so many attacks?

mahamageehad · 18-08-2017 11:35AM

So far in 2017 an estimated 865 terrorist attacks have resulted in about 5,220 fatalities. 2016 came in at a total of about 1,441 attacks with 14,265 fatalities.

Breaking that down to just look at Islamic State attacks, we can see a serious decrease in the volume of attacks, the frequency, and the average people killed in each attack.

2016: 1,441 attacks; 14,356 killed; 9.96 killed in each attack (average); 3.95 attacks a day (average)
2017: 320 attacks; 2,185 killed; 6.82 killed in each attack (average); 1.4 attacks a day (average)

Data: 2016, 2017

Now, I know that that is of little comfort to anyone impacted by attacks this year, but it is good to note that these attacks are trending down. Now, I make no claims on how accurate the data is (it pulls from Wikipedia), and the numbers above focus only on IS and not other terrorist groups like Boko Haram.

conorhal · 18-08-2017 11:36AM

Deleted User wrote: »

A lot less dangerous than they were in the 70s, when the number of attacks and deaths in European cities from terrorist attacks stood at multiples of what they are now.

But more dangerous than the 00s, when terrorist attacks and deaths in Europe were at their lowest ever.

http://www.datagraver.com/case/people-killed-by-terrorism-per-year-in-western-europe-1970-2015

The question is, do you think the trend will be downwards or upwards towards (or surpassing) the level of terrorism that was experienced during the 70's?

The reality is, the terrorism it just an inconvenience really (obviously not to those killed and effected by it) to wider society.
It's the rest of it that's impacting most people. The billions spent on security rather than hospitals, the mass rape of vulnerable kids, the insecurity women feel at public gatherings and going out at night due the the levels of sexual harrasment they experience, the people that now feel like strangers in their own communities thanks to mass immigration, the impact on the availability of social housing, the hassle of walking through an airport these days or going to a concert, the feeling that to combat the violence we end up living increasingly in a security state.. I could go on and on.

In my opinion none of this is worth importing.

Mr. teddywinkles · 18-08-2017 11:38AM

cfuserkildare wrote: »

Just a little thought for yeh all,

How do you distinguish between a Refugee and a Terrorist?

How many of these Islamic State Terrorists gained entry into Europe by claiming Refugee Status?
Perhaps not letting so many Refugees from war zones might just help avoid so many attacks?

Help them in their homeland. Its simples

RGDATA! · 18-08-2017 11:39AM

Gravelly wrote: »

Is there still a war going on "up the road in the 6 counties"?

what's the point of the rhetorical question? do you believe the policy of internment had anything to do with the end to the conflict in NI?

Christy42 · 18-08-2017 11:40AM

cfuserkildare wrote: »

Just a little thought for yeh all,

How do you distinguish between a Refugee and a Terrorist?

How many of these Islamic State Terrorists gained entry into Europe by claiming Refugee Status?
Perhaps not letting so many Refugees from war zones might just help avoid so many attacks?

How many attacks have come from people originating from war zones?

I mean I am all for measures that reduce the number of attacks but most seem to have had families who have come here years ago. If a measure will have no effect in reducing the number of attacks why do it?

I feel like strategies like these or the torture one a while back need to have some figures showing that they might be effective. As is they are thrown out there with no backing on the basis that they sound like they might work. (Who knows maybe some of them would but no one would know that from the posts)

draiochtanois · 18-08-2017 11:41AM

This post has been deleted.

Beefy78 · 18-08-2017 11:42AM

cfuserkildare wrote: »

Just a little thought for yeh all,

How do you distinguish between a Refugee and a Terrorist?

How many of these Islamic State Terrorists gained entry into Europe by claiming Refugee Status?
Perhaps not letting so many Refugees from war zones might just help avoid so many attacks?

I've not got the numbers so this is anecdotal and open to being corrected but aren't the bulk of these high profile attacks on European cities conducted by second and third generation immigrants whose families have been 'here' for decades?

mahamageehad · 18-08-2017 11:45AM

Beefy78 wrote: »

I've not got the numbers so this is anecdotal and open to being corrected but aren't the bulk of these high profile attacks on European cities conducted by second and third generation immigrants whose families have been 'here' for decades?

There's little point in continuing with this line of discussion, I've brought it up numerous times in this thread and the response has been to either ignore it, or to say "well that's why we shouldn't bring in more" rabble rabble border control.

ISIS Terrorist Attack in Barcelona

Comments