ISIS Terrorist Attack in Barcelona

tomwaterford · 18-08-2017 12:42AM

scoey wrote: »

Well about 99% of the population of Japan would agree with the assertion that a person born in Japan to two Irish parents isn't Japanese. That being Japanese is something distinct from a Japanese passport.
That is an acceptable opinion in Japan.

It is not an acceptable opinion to progressive ideologues like yourself, so anyone who expresses a similar opinion about Europe is a nazi or fascist to you.

I have called noone a Nazi or facist....if that's your own insecurities bubbling up...don't blame me

I know Japanese and they have a different word for Japanese heritage and people from it vs citizenship

:D:D

But yes you spout away about the 99% Japanese....I'm sure you can back up this assertion

Mahony0509 · 18-08-2017 12:42AM

Shots fired in Cambrils.

https://twitter.com/delcamp_cat/status/898328091956617216

mahamageehad · 18-08-2017 12:43AM

shaunr68 wrote: »

The suspect arrested, Driss Oukabir, is a Moroccan who spent time in prison in 2012, "recently visited Morocco and arrived back in Barcelona on 13 August"

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/driss-oukabir-barcelona-attack-suspect-terror-van-incident-named-latest-news-updates-a7899171.html

Why wasn't a non-EU national deported after serving a prison sentence and why was he readmitted after going to Morocco?

Was he one of these?

https://www.irishtimes.com/eyewitness-footage-shows-dinghy-of-migrants-landing-on-spanish-holiday-beach-1.3182390

Isn't this the guy who said he has proof he was miles away though? The one who handed himself in?

Ragardless, two things there. The "recently spent time in Morocco" thing should have been enough to get him flagged and monitored. And yes, I agree that a prison sentence should mean deportation and blacklisting. I can't understand why we're not already doing that. He was "known to police".

I found the dingy thing troubling as well, is that the first time it's happened, or just the first time they were brazen enough to do it in broad daylight? :mad: Whatever about the actual people applying for refuge, there's no way those lads could have been up to anything good with an entrance like that.

Mahony0509 wrote: »

Theres an ongoing incident in Cambrils, 60 miles outside of Barcelona, reports of shots fired, 3 dead and a possible explosive belt.

Christ.

:mad:

Danzy · 18-08-2017 12:44AM

Seems that it may be a new attack, rather than a police operation meeting resistance.

The Backwards Man · 18-08-2017 12:45AM

gitzy16v wrote: »

You forgot the word Islamic.

Nope. Extremists will always find a pronoun to latch onto.

Mahony0509 · 18-08-2017 12:47AM

Reading rumours that there were 5 terrorists with suicide belts, 4 gunned down by police and one wounded.

Sweet Prince · 18-08-2017 12:48AM

mahamageehad wrote: »

I feel a bit sorry for you if you go through life constrained by such tribalism to be honest.

Yes, that's true, but I did say the majority though.

The handling on these migrants now is what will determine how they act in 2 or 3 generations.

I currently live in Germany and I can clearly see the tensions and differences between immigrant descendants and the new immigrants. Germany has plenty of issues, many related to their mass import of Turks and other easterners 30 or 40 years ago. They made a lot of mistakes then, which they are aiming to correct with this batch of migrants. Is it an ideal system? No. Do I feel as safe here as I do in Ireland? Yes.

I think rabble rabble borders has its place, but a simple thing we (and we here means all European countries) should be doing is tracking ANYONE that visits any arab-centric problem countries. We have border patrol, these people should be flagged, tracked and monitored. I have a friend teaching in UAE, she has visited Saudi and Oman in recent years. She should 100% be pulled aside on re-entry to Ireland. If she tries to rent a van, it should raise flags. Simple things. Extremist websites should also be tracked. People won't like that because it's getting too close to nanny-state rules, but the simple fact is that a lot of this radicalisation is happening over the internet. For migrants that we accept, integration needs to be of utmost importance and they should be separated out and not allowed to form gangs and ghettos. Do we still stop refugees from working in Ireland?

All of that applies to refugees and people seeking refuge by the way. If someone is coming here to work and be a productive member of society, and they can pay their own way, fair play to them. As long as they get the right visas, I've no issues.

But that's another problem rife in a liberal mind-set (not saying you are liberal). Its that if you don't treat everyone as absolutely the same, you are doing something wrong and therefore must be a very sad individual. Its an incorrect assumption.

I see things the way they are. It doesn't mean that I go through life being miserly or sad or frustrated. Quite to the contrary. It just means that I can act accordingly and in an informed manner.

I will help people when I can, but I also know the line the draw when its actively working against me.

Most people can easily see the familial attachment of brothers mothers, sisters etc, but then inexplicably become blind once the EXACT SAME PRINCIPLE gets a bit bigger, ie community-wide, heritage-wise etc.

Though maybe not inexplicable. Theres a phenomenon observed amongst avian species where they have an ability to "count". They can count the number of eggs they have laid, up to about 5 or 6. So if they come back and only four are there, they know somethings wrong. But heres the interesting part, they wont notice if they had 9 eggs, and now there are 6. They are blind to it.

So perhaps an extended analogy can be applied to people who quite literally cannot see beyond their immediate genetic connection. An inherent flaw when faced with competitors entering their space? A logical assumption.

Mahony0509 · 18-08-2017 12:49AM

Reading a few more reports that the police have shot 4 people.

tomwaterford · 18-08-2017 12:49AM

Mahony0509 wrote: »

Reading rumours that there were 5 terrorists with suicide belts, 4 gunned down by police and one wounded.

Where read this??

Seems a pretty large cell of ture....wonder if they were planning cordinates attacks and have been forced into action early after the attack today

A serious cut off at mass murder if ture....

mahamageehad · 18-08-2017 12:49AM

Mahony0509 wrote: »

Reading rumours that there were 5 terrorists with suicide belts, 4 gunned down by police and one wounded.

Yeah, I'm seeing the same on Twitter. Seems to be that the shooting was the police, but very very unclear atm.

Mahony0509 · 18-08-2017 12:49AM

tomwaterford wrote: »

Where read this??

Seems a pretty large cell of ture....wonder if they were planning cordinates attacks and have been forced into action early after the attack today

A serious cut off at mass murder if ture....

If you search Cambrils on twitter, residents are tweeting. Its all in Spanish so I'm relying on Google translate.

Cheerful Spring · 18-08-2017 12:50AM

gitzy16v wrote: »

We are going round and round in circles here folks...Islam is the problem here...read up the history...ever since it was formed its trying to rule over all others...

I read a post somewhere,maybe on boards,that if you look at where Islam is bordering other cultures around the world its involved in conflicts with all of them from the Far East to Central and West Africa into Europe...Islamic terrorists are fighting on all these fronts expanding this wretched ideology.

Sunni (Wahhabism) is the cause of the chaos. Countries located in the Middle East have supported those Wahhabi terrorists for decades.Western countries are also allied with those countries for economic reasons, for the last 40 years. ISIS would never have emerged if the west did not invade Iraq.

tomwaterford · 18-08-2017 12:50AM

Mahony0509 wrote: »

If you search Cambrils on twitter, residents are tweeting. Its all in Spanish so I'm relying on Google translate.

Agh ****e....I'm only on the mobile

gitzy16v · 18-08-2017 12:51AM

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Nope. Extremists will always find a pronoun to latch onto.

Just so happens that Islam is what all these extremists are latching onto now...yeah ok:rolleyes:

shaunr68 · 18-08-2017 12:51AM

Danzy wrote: »

If they want to target those responsible for wars in the Middle East, they should go to the British Labour Conference or an army barracks.

Or the Kremlin perhaps, since the leaders of Al Qaeda and IS all cut their teeth fighting with the Mujahadeen against the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan.

Mahony0509 · 18-08-2017 12:52AM

https://twitter.com/policia/status/898331130574774272

Mahony0509 · 18-08-2017 12:54AM

More updates on Reddit, basically reiterating what I've already posted.
https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/6ue03f/shooting_in_cambrils_after_the_attack_in_barcelona/?st=j6h3qa1e&sh=7a8611e6

dublinman1990 · 18-08-2017 12:55AM

Mahony0509 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/policia/status/898331130574774272

It says in English that is there is another possible terrorist attack happening in the Cambrils area of Barcelona in Spain.

Cantona's Collars · 18-08-2017 12:57AM

dublinman1990 wrote: »

It says in English that is there is another possible terrorist attack in the Cambrils area of Spain.

Isn't that the area that's hugely popular with Irish families?

Gamebred · 18-08-2017 12:58AM

zerks wrote: »

Isn't that the area that's hugely popular with Irish families?

Yep 5 mins down the road from Salou, known for camping style resorts, scary really if there is terror cells in such a tourist hotspot.

gitzy16v · 18-08-2017 01:00AM

zerks wrote: »

Isn't that the area that's hugely popular with Irish families?

Yep barely a short stroll from Salou,another massively popular area for Irish families

18-08-2017 01:00AM

Sounds like the police did a great job, you can hear them shout and then fire a quick and controlled succession of shots to neutralise them.

Danzy · 18-08-2017 01:00AM

The situation started out with an active shooter, so it is an attack, whether Jihadis have been shot or not as posted above, no idea.

Sweet Prince · 18-08-2017 01:01AM

StinkyMunkey wrote: »

Love the way all the bigots jump at the chance to label 1 billion people as following a evil religion.

The bigots are foaming at the mouth telling us just how bad all immigrants are, but fail to mention that Irish emigrants moved to every part of the globe.

The evil scum who perpertrated These heinous crimes are simply following the new trend of using vehicles are weapons - monkey see, monkey do.

There are evil ****tards in every religion, people who are pure scum, i count bigots among their numbers.

****ing sickening attack, my worst nightmare come true. Children lie dead on the pavement and people are more interested in attacking a religion than talking about the real reason any of this started - western policy in the Middle East. Unfortunately innocents are paying for the crimes of certain western governments retarded foreign polices.

Its an interesting way to open your comment. I'm sure youre aware of the irony that there are plenty expressing the exact polar opposite points in this thread.

I did it myself, stating that its like clockwork to see the same disproven, tired defences rolled out when these mass murders take place.

The difference, unless I missed a few of your posts, is that I justified my points of view with explanation, whereas you just posted a ridiculously well-worn buzz word, "bigot".

If x percentage of a foreign population are intent on killing you and your family, is it not a reasonable argument that you shouldn't have any of them in your home in the first place? Its not ideal, of course, but I'm asking is it understandable and logical?

And if there is an absence of any other mode of action, and an apparent lack of anyone GOING to do anything, is it not logical that people will gravitate towards a certain opinion? It makes sense to me.

If you allow your feelings and idealism to blind you to fact and reality, no matter how strong those emotions may be.....you are in no position to be labelling anyone anything.

Mahony0509 · 18-08-2017 01:01AM

https://twitter.com/terrorevents/status/898333716585390080

mahamageehad · 18-08-2017 01:02AM

Sweet Prince wrote: »

But that's another problem rife in a liberal mind-set (not saying you are liberal). Its that if you don't treat everyone as absolutely the same, you are doing something wrong and therefore must be a very sad individual. Its an incorrect assumption.

I see things the way they are. It doesn't mean that I go through life being miserly or sad or frustrated. Quite to the contrary. It just means that I can act accordingly and in an informed manner.

I will help people when I can, but I also know the line the draw when its actively working against me.

Most people can easily see the familial attachment of brothers mothers, sisters etc, but then inexplicably become blind once the EXACT SAME PRINCIPLE gets a bit bigger, ie community-wide, heritage-wise etc.

Though maybe not inexplicable. Theres a phenomenon observed amongst avian species where they have an ability to "count". They can count the number of eggs they have laid, up to about 5 or 6. So if they come back and only four are there, they know somethings wrong. But heres the interesting part, they wont notice if they had 9 eggs, and now there are 6. They are blind to it.

So perhaps an extended analogy can be applied to people who quite literally cannot see beyond their immediate genetic connection. An inherent flaw when faced with competitors entering their space? A logical assumption.

I'm certainly not saying that we need to treat everyone the same. I don't buy into this hyper-offended PC correct shïte at all. But, when it comes to attachments, I'm going to form them on the basis of common interests rather than physical proximity. The community in my office is every colour of the rainbow, I would put them in front of random people from my hometown any day. The things we can have in common with others don't necessarily have to be constrained by the community you grew up in or the colour of your skin. I don't give a rats arse about my genetic connection, I wouldn't cross the road to speak to some of my extended family. I don't see "others" as competitors, I see them as collaborators. I value people based on their skills and what they bring to the table, not just because they're ethnically the same. Obviously we're never going to see eye-to-eye on that. So, I still stand by the comment that I think it's sad, in the same way that you stand by the comment that my attitude doesn't "bode well for the future of my family".

I don't get the point of your egg analogy. That evolution focuses on family, not community?

Ants and termites have been shown to operate with a hive mind. Another irrelevant fact.

Raving_Magic · 18-08-2017 01:03AM

I'm going to Spain next week and seeing this attack on Cambrils, a popular tourist destination and close to Salou, getting hunted for terrorists is making my stomach turn....:(

Cheerful Spring · 18-08-2017 01:04AM

shaunr68 wrote: »

Or the Kremlin perhaps, since the leaders of Al Qaeda and IS all cut their teeth fighting with the Mujahadeen against the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan.

Some of the people who formed Isis were once members of the Baath party ( Saddam party) The set it up as insurgency against the Americans who invaded the country and to bring down the newly elected Iraq government. Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi was part of the Sunni insurgency and he got locked up by the Americans. He probably met more bad guys while in prison and they planned out the future of Isis. The Arab Spring in Syria supported by the West gave a platform for Isis to fight and gain more supporters and fighters.

tomwaterford · 18-08-2017 01:04AM

Raving_Magic wrote: »

I'm going to Spain next week and seeing this attack on Cambrils, a popular tourist destination and close to Salou, getting hunted for terrorists is making my stomach turn....:(

Will you cancel??

You'd be hoping it's flooded with police etc after it

Mahony0509 · 18-08-2017 01:05AM

https://twitter.com/terrorevents/status/898334691958308864

ISIS Terrorist Attack in Barcelona

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