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Bass Reeves · 16-08-2017 03:17PM

rangler1 wrote: »

Only one solution , withdraw supplies, until that's done the ''mouthpieces'' are the only ones that are actually doing anything.
When we were trying to thrash out the new National Roads Deal years ago it wasn't a lot of help to us when the NRA were claiming that ''there's deals being done''
Breakeven cost of silage is over €25/bale....plenty being bought at €20 and it's farmers that's the offenders there

Rangler you are always on about the great deal the IFA did on roads. However this was only of benifit to those who's land was effected. As a farming organisation it bread and butter should be what effect ordinary farmers which is beef, lamb, milk etc prices. While the roads deal may have been a gpood deal it is not the raison d'etra for a farm organisation.

Cavanjack wrote: »

I think we have this same conversation every year when prices drop.
What can we do about it? Not very much as individuals but there is a problem in the industry as far as competition goes.
Heard nothing about producer groups this while. Wonder would they be any addition.

Producer group have died a death I am not sure if the legislation has been passed that would allow for there setting up under EU legislation. No point in having producer groups unless processors have to negotiate with them. Look at the AA, He schemes bases price for these schemes are now negotiated locally by the individual farmer. If these were negoiated nationally they would put a base under cattle and if local price was stronger farmer could opt not to send cattle into the scheme

Willfarman wrote: »

Boats boats and more boats! Ship the calves, ship the weanlings ship the fat cattle. It's the only hope we have.

Shipping has an effect but numbers of cattle coming on stream from dairy herd will limit effect of shipping.

patsy_mccabe · 16-08-2017 03:49PM

Look at the value of sterling now - €1.09. It's heading to parity. It was as high as €1.42 back in Nov 2015. That's some drop. You have to call a spade a spade. Over half of our Beef goes to the UK.

rangler1 · 16-08-2017 05:08PM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Rangler you are always on about the great deal the IFA did on roads. However this was only of benifit to those who's land was effected. As a farming organisation it bread and butter should be what effect ordinary farmers which is beef, lamb, milk etc prices. While the roads deal may have been a gpood deal it is not the raison d'etra for a farm organisation.

I was using it as an example of action taken by the members on the ground not from the top and landowners refusing to accomadate the aquirers until they had negotiated with IFA,
Until beef producers create a similar lever instead of blaming everyone except themselves, nothing will change.
Different circumstances but the basics are still the same.....processors aren't going to bother negotiating a price while the cattle are flooding in the gate ...why would they.

gerryirl · 16-08-2017 05:14PM

so what you recommend Rangler.. We are caught every way. Age (under 30 months) weight was (cut off 420kg think 450kg now) grading sytem (Fat lean etc)

Keep them and they go over 30 months and start getting fat and over weight. Its a no win situation. You lose both ways. everyone knows the factories have shed loads of cattle to kill themselves if the farmer stops sending

rangler1 · 16-08-2017 08:00PM

gerryirl wrote: »

so what you recommend Rangler.. We are caught every way. Age (under 30 months) weight was (cut off 420kg think 450kg now) grading sytem (Fat lean etc)

Keep them and they go over 30 months and start getting fat and over weight. Its a no win situation. You lose both ways. everyone knows the factories have shed loads of cattle to kill themselves if the farmer stops sending

I'm just saying that blaming someone for doing nothing when in effect there is nothing can be done is a bit immature.
The factories keeping their own cattle really strenghtens their hand and now I hear they're going to do the same with the sheep. get farmers to contract feed lambs for scarce time

Willfarman · 16-08-2017 08:27PM

rangler1 wrote: »

I'm just saying that blaming someone for doing nothing when in effect there is nothing can be done is a bit immature.
The factories keeping their own cattle really strenghtens their hand and now I hear they're going to do the same with the sheep. get farmers to contract feed lambs for scarce time

I think you are far from having your finger on the pulse regarding the lambs rangler. They they had thousands of lambs on rented catch crops in north wexford last winter and didn't work out as cheap as simply bringing them across from the uk. They aren't bothering this year and word is one Icm associated enterprise is turning its attention to bull beef. Importing 2 thousand bulls from Germany.

rangler1 · 16-08-2017 08:51PM

Willfarman wrote: »

I think you are far from having your finger on the pulse regarding the lambs rangler. They they had thousands of lambs on rented catch crops in north wexford last winter and didn't work out as cheap as simply bringing them across from the uk. They aren't bothering this year and word is one Icm associated enterprise is turning its attention to bull beef. Importing 2 thousand bulls from Germany.

We'll see, you might be very surprised

Danzy · 16-08-2017 09:02PM

rangler1 wrote: »

I'm just saying that blaming someone for doing nothing when in effect there is nothing can be done is a bit immature.
The factories keeping their own cattle really strenghtens their hand and now I hear they're going to do the same with the sheep. get farmers to contract feed lambs for scarce time

The factories are a cartel, a monopoly, on top of that they are buying from a market where not selling is not an option.

There are currency fluctuations and demand variations and all that but what we are now seeing is an abuse of monopoly.

dzer2 · 16-08-2017 09:07PM

Its pretty simple lads stop paying through the nose for waste of dairy farms.:eek:
Stop bidding each other to death at the ring and drive the ****e out of anything the agents bid on.:D
Only buy small butty cattle that will never be over weight.:rolleyes:
dont buy a heap of meal to fatten them.:o

The only way to make money is sit on your hands and dont spend:D:D:D

Danzy · 16-08-2017 09:13PM

dzer2 wrote: »

Its pretty simple lads stop paying through the nose for waste of dairy farms.:eek:
Stop bidding each other to death at the ring and drive the ****e out of anything the agents bid on.:D
Only buy small butty cattle that will never be over weight.:rolleyes:
dont buy a heap of meal to fatten them.:o

The only way to make money is sit on your hands and dont spend:D:D:D

Have you tried shooting them as soon as they come home from the Mart?

Tax deductible and the improvement to cash flow is significant.

There are some long term issues to work out I admit.

gerryirl · 16-08-2017 09:48PM

rangler no need to get personal by calling me immature

Of course there is something that can be done. Its frustrating. We had the half arse block of the factories a couple years ago and not much has changed since that. Farm familys are struggling out there big time. There is only so long it will last

charolais0153 · 16-08-2017 10:28PM

gerryirl wrote: »

rangler no need to get personal by calling me immature

Of course there is something that can be done. Its frustrating. We had the half arse block of the factories a couple years ago and not much has changed since that. Farm familys are struggling out there big time. There is only so long it will last

If they're struggling why don't they try and change something like go into dairy or sheep. Or contract rearing or renting the land?

Willfarman · 16-08-2017 11:40PM

charolais0153 wrote: »

If they're struggling why don't they try and change something like go into dairy or sheep. Or contract rearing or renting the land?

I don't like getting up early so no one to milk the cows unless I could get a good doley.
I have all the sheep that the neighbours will tolerate.
I don't like I'm too contrary to enter any contract with anyone and if I set the place I'd never get outa bed and most likely die of a combination of alcoholism and chronic masturbation.

No I'll hang on and wait for the cheap stores!

charolais0153 · 17-08-2017 12:38AM

Willfarman wrote: »

I don't like getting up early so no one to milk the cows unless I could get a good doley.
I have all the sheep that the neighbours will tolerate.
I don't like I'm too contrary to enter any contract with anyone and if I set the place I'd never get outa bed and most likely die of a combination of alcoholism and chronic masturbation.

No I'll hang on and wait for the cheap stores!

Aye, are ya struggling though.

Willfarman · 17-08-2017 08:42AM

charolais0153 wrote: »

Aye, are ya struggling though.

Struggling like pig like these poor aul divils https://amp.independent.ie/business/farming/beef-barons-worth-over-2billion-34475145.html

gerryirl · 17-08-2017 09:06AM

charolais0153 wrote: »

If they're struggling why don't they try and change something like go into dairy or sheep. Or contract rearing or renting the land?

Dairy setup cost from scratch would be huge money and many men not setup for sheep farming either but yes renting you'd probably make more. There not the answer though long trem

charolais0153 · 17-08-2017 10:08AM

gerryirl wrote: »

Dairy setup cost from scratch would be huge money and many men not setup for sheep farming either but yes renting you'd probably make more. There not the answer though long trem

Well there's absolutely no point complaining when your not willing to stop supplying the factories with cheap cattle when they snap there fingers

If lads were to kill cattle at circa 22-24monrhs three a hell of a lot less meat for the factories to work with and you're not going to have to worry about limits and it's a lot handier have 600kg bullocks than 800kg lads on softer ground,

gerryirl wrote: »

many men not setup for sheep farming

Forgot that anybody that has sheep was automatically set up for them :rolleyes:

rangler1 · 17-08-2017 10:12AM

gerryirl wrote: »

Dairy setup cost from scratch would be huge money and many men not setup for sheep farming either but yes renting you'd probably make more. There not the answer though long trem

Unfortunately it is the answer long term, if you can't produce at the market price you have to change.
Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result is not the answer long term either

kk.man · 17-08-2017 10:57AM

Quoted 3.85 for bullocks this week next week 3.80.

Cavanjack · 17-08-2017 11:29AM

kk.man wrote: »

Quoted 3.85 for bullocks this week next week 3.80.

Was looking back at this time last year it was down to€3.75

kk.man · 17-08-2017 02:05PM

Cavanjack wrote: »

Was looking back at this time last year it was down to€3.75

After the Galway races they pull cattle prices.

Cavanjack · 17-08-2017 02:33PM

kk.man wrote: »

After the Galway races they pull cattle prices.

Ah don't start bringing horses into this again ðŸ˜‚

patsy_mccabe · 17-08-2017 03:37PM

kk.man wrote: »

After the Galway races they pull cattle prices.

So what are you saying? The crap horses end up at the beef plants?

gerryirl · 17-08-2017 06:04PM

charolais0153 wrote: »

Well there's absolutely no point complaining when your not willing to stop supplying the factories with cheap cattle when they snap there fingers

If lads were to kill cattle at circa 22-24monrhs three a hell of a lot less meat for the factories to work with and you're not going to have to worry about limits and it's a lot handier have 600kg bullocks than 800kg lads on softer ground,

Forgot that anybody that has sheep was automatically set up for them :rolleyes:

can I ask what sort of farming you do ..lol

charolais0153 · 17-08-2017 07:03PM

gerryirl wrote: »

can I ask what sort of farming you do ..lol

Lol a bit of everything sucklers and sheep would be the specialist things kill the odd heifer and bull

blue5000 · 17-08-2017 07:24PM

whelan2 wrote: »

Without getting into a row . I have learnt that p6
doesnot like anyone disagreeing with him. Anyways, anyone sell culls lately? Also 11 year old Angus bull to go too.

Cows 3.30 for Os and 3.55 Rs Don't know about the bull, a lot depends on fat cover.

theaceofspies · 17-08-2017 07:34PM

Willfarman wrote: »

Struggling like pig like these poor aul divils https://amp.independent.ie/business/farming/beef-barons-worth-over-2billion-34475145.html

The picture of Larry with the briefcase reminds me of Dallas in the 80's and JR argung with Cliff Barnes over 'Cartels'.
All the while the 'Farmers Union' sits on the fence while the charade goes on. Are they still collecting auto levies from Larry & Co?????
If the IFA were as quick to organise an orchestrated campaign among members to withhold animals we may be in a different place. God knows they have enough admin staff to pull it off but something tells me take their own members for bigger idiots than Larry does.

Bigbird1 · 17-08-2017 08:19PM

blue5000 wrote: »

Cows 3.30 for Os and 3.55 Rs Don't know about the bull, a lot depends on fat cover.

Where can 3.55 for Rs be got, best i got was 3.45.

gerryirl · 17-08-2017 09:44PM

anyway so I decided not to complain about sh1te prices in the factory anymore. Gonna take another shed for the winter and fill it with cattle for killing. Sure what else would you be at..lol

Cavanjack · 17-08-2017 10:02PM

Nobody has mentioned the lunatics in the marts this spring buying "grass" cattle. Does he take any of the blame for the lack of margin in cattle?

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