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beef price tracker

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any interest in having a factory beef price tracker on here?

got 4 hiefers to go, 3rs and 1o

got the following quotes for base price on Mon 23 Jan

4.10e/kg aibp bandon
4.15e/kg aibp cahir

quotes including bord bia
am holding tough as hoping for 4.25e/kg

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Fireside Solicitor

That's what I said to him about the shed. No point in him keeping that now. He has around 70 acres and not much of a basic payment but enough. He said he was fed up with working for half nothing all the time. In fairness to him he would have been alright and cute enough. I'd say the missus was a big driver in it all but he's not sayin. I was at him to stay at it part time but he didn't want to. A shame young man under forty and giving it up.

Bass Reeves

Fireside Solicitor wrote: »

Sorry my post didn't finish, the reason he headed building is he was fed up with trying to make a living out of cattle and decided to go give it a try. Rented the land to a sheep man and after six months he said he is much better off but finds it hard to sit lookin out at the place on a summers evening and finding all the things wrong yer man is doing. So I don't know what the answer is. At my age there is no point changing so we will have a full shed again this winter

For the smaller finisher there is nothing to be made out of finishing cattle out of a shed. Costs are too high and processors will not give a forward contract so that you can calculate profit/loss. No matter what system you use winter finishing costs will vary from 2.2/day(5-6kgs of ration and silage) to 3.5/day (10+kgs of ration and straw). So finishing any animal will cost minimum 220 up to 350 euro. That is feeding costs only add vet, dosing, machinery etc and you are at nothing winter finishing and it add in often to a nitrated issue as well.

Having said that lads that is gone back to buildings may not have been a good enough farmer anyway. He may have bough and handled the wrong stock. It says something about him that he would not rent the shed in case someone made sh!te of it. If it is not dirty it is not making money.

Fireside Solicitor

Sorry my post didn't finish, the reason he headed building is he was fed up with trying to make a living out of cattle and decided to go give it a try. Rented the land to a sheep man and after six months he said he is much better off but finds it hard to sit lookin out at the place on a summers evening and finding all the things wrong yer man is doing. So I don't know what the answer is. At my age there is no point changing so we will have a full shed again this winter

Fireside Solicitor

@ of it. How many cattle would u need to make that???

teddy 1223

patsy_mccabe wrote:

The guys buying April/May do not have the cost of wintering them. A lot of hidden costs their - sheds, labour, machinery wear etc. They still get to claim their single payment too.

Yeah your right about the no winter cost. I used to sell most in October I now sell 15 of my ch bullocks/hiefers in May, good for cash flow at that time of year

patsy_mccabe

The guys buying April/May do not have the cost of wintering them. A lot of hidden costs their - sheds, labour, machinery wear etc. They still get to claim their single payment too.

teddy 1223

tanko wrote:

May was a good time to sell cattle this year alrite but that isn't guaranteed to happen every year either. The lads buying them mightn't make much out of them but when you add up all your costs you mightn't have much profit either.

Yeah May is a good time to sell. Grass buyers are mad for cattle, I was making as much in May as I would if I kept the cattle till October

tanko

teddy 1223 wrote: »

I sold cattle in the mart in april/may, the lads buying them will make nothing out of them. It's the best time to sell cattle

May was a good time to sell cattle this year alrite but that isn't guaranteed to happen every year either.
The lads buying them mightn't make much out of them but when you add up all your costs you mightn't have much profit either.

teddy 1223

Cavanjack wrote:

Nobody has mentioned the lunatics in the marts this spring buying "grass" cattle. Does he take any of the blame for the lack of margin in cattle?

I sold cattle in the mart in april/may, the lads buying them will make nothing out of them. It's the best time to sell cattle

amacca

charolais0153 wrote: »

Forgot that anybody that has sheep was automatically set up for them :rolleyes:

No but they feckin should be.......I'm plagued with a flock of the little white fluffy bastards taking grass off my cattle on an out farm

The lad next to me hasn't a blade of grass growing above about a quarter of an inch high on the plot and is running a big herd of sucklers and flock of sheep on it and most other peoples places around him...I have my place fenced adequately for the cattle I have but Im thinking of grazing his place next spring........

If you have sheep you should fence for them....that should definitely be part of the set up before anyone gets into them imo.....

On the prices thing....isn't the problem partly that farmers are such a disparate group you wouldn't get enough of them withholding cattle for long enough to put a bit of pressure on the processors for a fairer price......some lads just wouldn't toe the line for various (some very understandable and hard to blame them for) reasons.

Cavanjack

Nobody has mentioned the lunatics in the marts this spring buying "grass" cattle. Does he take any of the blame for the lack of margin in cattle?

gerryirl

anyway so I decided not to complain about sh1te prices in the factory anymore. Gonna take another shed for the winter and fill it with cattle for killing. Sure what else would you be at..lol

Bigbird1

blue5000 wrote: »

Cows 3.30 for Os and 3.55 Rs Don't know about the bull, a lot depends on fat cover.

Where can 3.55 for Rs be got, best i got was 3.45.

theaceofspies

Willfarman wrote: »

Struggling like pig like these poor aul divils https://amp.independent.ie/business/farming/beef-barons-worth-over-2billion-34475145.html

The picture of Larry with the briefcase reminds me of Dallas in the 80's and JR argung with Cliff Barnes over 'Cartels'.
All the while the 'Farmers Union' sits on the fence while the charade goes on. Are they still collecting auto levies from Larry & Co?????
If the IFA were as quick to organise an orchestrated campaign among members to withhold animals we may be in a different place. God knows they have enough admin staff to pull it off but something tells me take their own members for bigger idiots than Larry does.

blue5000

whelan2 wrote: »

Without getting into a row . I have learnt that p6
doesnot like anyone disagreeing with him. Anyways, anyone sell culls lately? Also 11 year old Angus bull to go too.

Cows 3.30 for Os and 3.55 Rs Don't know about the bull, a lot depends on fat cover.

charolais0153

gerryirl wrote: »

can I ask what sort of farming you do ..lol

Lol a bit of everything sucklers and sheep would be the specialist things kill the odd heifer and bull

gerryirl

charolais0153 wrote: »

Well there's absolutely no point complaining when your not willing to stop supplying the factories with cheap cattle when they snap there fingers

If lads were to kill cattle at circa 22-24monrhs three a hell of a lot less meat for the factories to work with and you're not going to have to worry about limits and it's a lot handier have 600kg bullocks than 800kg lads on softer ground,

Forgot that anybody that has sheep was automatically set up for them :rolleyes:

can I ask what sort of farming you do ..lol

patsy_mccabe

kk.man wrote: »

After the Galway races they pull cattle prices.

So what are you saying? The crap horses end up at the beef plants?

Cavanjack

kk.man wrote: »

After the Galway races they pull cattle prices.

Ah don't start bringing horses into this again ðŸ˜‚

kk.man

Cavanjack wrote: »

Was looking back at this time last year it was down to€3.75

After the Galway races they pull cattle prices.

Cavanjack

kk.man wrote: »

Quoted 3.85 for bullocks this week next week 3.80.

Was looking back at this time last year it was down to€3.75

kk.man

Quoted 3.85 for bullocks this week next week 3.80.

rangler1

gerryirl wrote: »

Dairy setup cost from scratch would be huge money and many men not setup for sheep farming either but yes renting you'd probably make more. There not the answer though long trem

Unfortunately it is the answer long term, if you can't produce at the market price you have to change.
Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result is not the answer long term either

charolais0153

gerryirl wrote: »

Dairy setup cost from scratch would be huge money and many men not setup for sheep farming either but yes renting you'd probably make more. There not the answer though long trem

Well there's absolutely no point complaining when your not willing to stop supplying the factories with cheap cattle when they snap there fingers

If lads were to kill cattle at circa 22-24monrhs three a hell of a lot less meat for the factories to work with and you're not going to have to worry about limits and it's a lot handier have 600kg bullocks than 800kg lads on softer ground,

gerryirl wrote: »

many men not setup for sheep farming

Forgot that anybody that has sheep was automatically set up for them :rolleyes:

gerryirl

charolais0153 wrote: »

If they're struggling why don't they try and change something like go into dairy or sheep. Or contract rearing or renting the land?

Dairy setup cost from scratch would be huge money and many men not setup for sheep farming either but yes renting you'd probably make more. There not the answer though long trem

Willfarman

charolais0153 wrote: »

Aye, are ya struggling though.

Struggling like pig like these poor aul divils https://amp.independent.ie/business/farming/beef-barons-worth-over-2billion-34475145.html

charolais0153

Willfarman wrote: »

I don't like getting up early so no one to milk the cows unless I could get a good doley.
I have all the sheep that the neighbours will tolerate.
I don't like I'm too contrary to enter any contract with anyone and if I set the place I'd never get outa bed and most likely die of a combination of alcoholism and chronic masturbation.

No I'll hang on and wait for the cheap stores!

Aye, are ya struggling though.

Willfarman

charolais0153 wrote: »

If they're struggling why don't they try and change something like go into dairy or sheep. Or contract rearing or renting the land?

I don't like getting up early so no one to milk the cows unless I could get a good doley.
I have all the sheep that the neighbours will tolerate.
I don't like I'm too contrary to enter any contract with anyone and if I set the place I'd never get outa bed and most likely die of a combination of alcoholism and chronic masturbation.

No I'll hang on and wait for the cheap stores!

charolais0153

gerryirl wrote: »

rangler no need to get personal by calling me immature

Of course there is something that can be done. Its frustrating. We had the half arse block of the factories a couple years ago and not much has changed since that. Farm familys are struggling out there big time. There is only so long it will last

If they're struggling why don't they try and change something like go into dairy or sheep. Or contract rearing or renting the land?

gerryirl

rangler no need to get personal by calling me immature

Of course there is something that can be done. Its frustrating. We had the half arse block of the factories a couple years ago and not much has changed since that. Farm familys are struggling out there big time. There is only so long it will last