Luas Cross City Line (BXD)

Del.Monte · 23-07-2016 6:00pm

Simon2015 wrote: »

I can see why they didn't join up the lines directly.

They don't want the scumbags from the red line getting on to the green line.

What about the inhabitants of Liffey Junction and surroundings - they are going to have a field day if the poor security system on the Red Line is implemented on the new line. Zero tolerance or just allow a free for all.

ClovenHoof · 24-07-2016 8:06pm

Del.Monte wrote: »

What about the inhabitants of Liffey Junction and surroundings - they are going to have a field day if the poor security system on the Red Line is implemented on the new line. Zero tolerance or just allow a free for all.

Com'on now, the dynamic of the entire location will change drastically. There will be people there 24 hours a day coming in and out. The brownfield site were the skangers hang out is where the depot is going to be.

Things will change competely.

mrsdewinter · 24-07-2016 10:39pm

A bit off topic but quite near Liffey Junction, there seems to be a bit of development - or earth-moving work - going on on the Glasnevin side of the Canal. It's a patch of apparently idle ground between the canal, Clermont Court and the Phoenix Park Tunnel line.
Anybody know what's going on there?

The_Wanderer · 24-06-2017 6:05pm

A long overdue update to the LUAS Cross City galley. I've been a rare visitor to Dublin in recent months, anytime I have been I haven't had the time to dedicate two plus hours to view the latest work on the extension. With two visits to Dublin in the latter half of June planned, I made time to visit the latest work to the LUAS extensions. The week before these photos were taken the first gauging trial took place. The photos from Wednesday cover from Phibsborough to Broombridge and Saturday covers the section from St. Stephen's Green to Broadstone. Great progress has been made throughout the extension with only finishing works to be completed now prior to the start of test running later in the summer.

Click http://smu.gs/2s7DS99 to view these.

Jamie2k9 · 28-06-2017 8:00pm

Posted over on Infrastructure BXD

https://www.luascrosscity.ie/announcements/major-milestone-luas-cross-city-project-landmark-gauge-run-test-successfully-completed/

Del.Monte · 28-06-2017 8:07pm

Never been a big fan of this project and I'm not looking forward to see how the trams mix it with the traffic when they don't have a Garda escort and lots of viz vests in evidence.

ClovenHoof · 29-06-2017 5:28pm

Del.Monte wrote: »

Never been a big fan of this project and I'm not looking forward to see how the trams mix it with the traffic when they don't have a Garda escort and lots of viz vests in evidence.

Eh, you are aware this has been happening in Dublin for many years now?

Del.Monte · 29-06-2017 6:10pm

ClovenHoof wrote: »

Eh, you are aware this has been happening in Dublin for many years now?

Eh, you are aware of the problems on the Red line with collisions for many years now?

Markcheese · 29-06-2017 9:47pm

Del.Monte wrote:

Eh, you are aware of the problems on the Red line with collisions for many years now?

Traffic light cameras... It's usually people gambling with the lights..

ClovenHoof · 29-06-2017 11:19pm

Del.Monte wrote: »

Eh, you are aware of the problems on the Red line with collisions for many years now?

Well them perhaps we should shut this killing machine down as it causes you such terror and deep psychological torment.

L1011 · 30-06-2017 7:41am

Better close Wexford Quay too

Del.Monte · 30-06-2017 7:55am

ClovenHoof wrote: »

Well them perhaps we should shut this killing machine down as it causes you such terror and deep psychological torment.

Where did I mention either of the above? I see problems with prolonged street running especially in the vicinity of the City Centre (Abbey Street/Heuston is already a problem on the Red Line) and I foresee problems with security if things aren't tightened up considerably north of the river. I imagine waiting for a tram at Marlborough Street Stop will be a delightful experience and will be comparable with the existing Abbey Street Stop.

Anyway, I'm sure that the official opening will provide NTA officials and Shane Ross with some great photo opportunities. As for me - the reformed rail enthusiast - I will take the requisite return trip ASAP to tick it off on my list and then it can go to hell. That will only leave Midleton and the reopened WRC to tick off - you can see what sort of enthusiast that makes me these days.

Del.Monte · 30-06-2017 7:57am

L1011 wrote: »

Better close Wexford Quay too

I'm not aware of any collisions on the Wexford Quay section. Occasionally, years ago there were delays due to cars parking too close to the line but even that was a rare occurrence.

tabbey · 30-06-2017 10:04am

There have been a lot of facetious comments recently on this thread, but there are serious issues to consider;

Punctuality :
up to now the green line has been largely on segregated tracks, thus generally punctual and regular in southbound departures from town. from December, the service will be more prone to delays through the city centre. Like the buses, a tram which is a little late, will spend longer at stops loading more passengers, thus becoming even later. Meanwhile the following tram will catch up with the heavily loaded one. Result - bunching, a 5 minute frequency becomes two every ten minutes.

Bus rerouting;
historically buses went to or through the city centre. Changes during tramway construction were seen as a necessary evil, with a better system to be gained. It now seems that these inconveniences are to be made permanent.

Fifteen years ago the current development was shown to be unsatisfactory, by no less than Dr Garret Fitzgerald.

A city the size of Dublin needs a significant rail system. In the city centre, that means going underground.

Forty years ago, London was building the Fleet / Jubilee line, with plans to extend to Docklands. The Thatcher government persuaded the Greater London Council, then led by Sir Horace Cutler, to cancel the underground extension and build the low cost Docklands Light Railway instead. The DLR was inadequate, and the underground Jubilee line ultimately had to be built at considerable additional cost.

This, on a smaller scale, is what we have been doing in Dublin. Bertienomics - short term apparent progress- is a waste in the long term, causing strangulation and stress.

Only when we bite the bullet, plan for, and pay for, a comprehensive heavy rail network, can this city and this state, develop a functional, living home for the people, both ethnic and new Irish.

XPS_Zero · 30-06-2017 8:46pm

I'm of the opinion this should have been underground in the CC at the very least. I do imagine when the Metro is put in, any Metro West and North sections that, along with DART Underground, coincide with Luas routes will see a huge number abandoning Luas for the much faster underground option.

Supposedly the plan was always to merge (LONG term) Luas and metro since metro trams be of the same design (just twice as long and maybe a different color) I hope they do. We seem to be using the same excuse with this as avoiding high rise "we've no population density"...well we do...but the point is always made we don't have it NOW...but what about 20-30 years from now? Look at projected population growth in the Swords/Dublin corridor. FF were always the ones who built stuff so maybe alongside pushing affordable housing now they should go back to their Transport 21 routes and start pushing for this. I know Leo was in favor of it at the time just had a finance minister that didn't know the difference between an investment and an expense, maybe now that he does not need anyones permission and can do as he wants he might move on this, I can only hope.

It's good to see it finished, and on budget. I'm looking forward to my inaugural Christmas ride from Brides Glen to Broadstone.

L1011 · 30-06-2017 11:28pm

Del.Monte wrote: »

I'm not aware of any collisions on the Wexford Quay section. Occasionally, years ago there were delays due to cars parking too close to the line but even that was a rare occurrence.

If there was up to 20 trains per hour rather than ~6 a day there could be.

All tram systems have issues at interfaces with cars. Car drivers need to become less thick. Over driving test structure is pathetically simple and so many did less or nothing at all

30-06-2017 11:59pm

L1011 wrote: »

If there was up to 20 trains per hour rather than ~6 a day there could be.

All tram systems have issues at interfaces with cars. Car drivers need to become less thick. Over driving test structure is pathetically simple and so many did less or nothing at all

Drivers just have to remember the simple fact that a tram can't swerve out of the way if you foolishly put your vehicle in their way!

marno21 · 01-07-2017 1:23am

Del.Monte wrote: »

I'm not aware of any collisions on the Wexford Quay section. Occasionally, years ago there were delays due to cars parking too close to the line but even that was a rare occurrence.

Mind don't you give CIE the idea of parking cars on the tracks to cause delays to further discourage use of the line.

Banjoxed · 01-07-2017 11:20am

Del.Monte wrote: »

Where did I mention either of the above? I see problems with prolonged street running especially in the vicinity of the City Centre (Abbey Street/Heuston is already a problem on the Red Line) and I foresee problems with security if things aren't tightened up considerably north of the river. I imagine waiting for a tram at Marlborough Street Stop will be a delightful experience and will be comparable with the existing Abbey Street Stop.

Anyway, I'm sure that the official opening will provide NTA officials and Shane Ross with some great photo opportunities. As for me - the reformed rail enthusiast - I will take the requisite return trip ASAP to tick it off on my list and then it can go to hell. That will only leave Midleton and the reopened WRC to tick off - you can see what sort of enthusiast that makes me these days.

Assimilated by the Borg!

Sloopys · 14-07-2017 8:22pm

Banjoxed wrote: »

Assimilated by the Borg!

It's a classic case of Stockholm Syndrome I'm afraid, spend too long with your captors/torturers and you become like them! ðŸ˜œ

veryangryman · 27-07-2017 9:50pm

Are any new Park n Rides planned around Cabra/Broombridge when this opens?

The_Wanderer · 27-07-2017 10:42pm

veryangryman wrote: »

Are any new Park n Rides planned around Cabra/Broombridge when this opens?

I think there will be a small car park at Broombridge, as most of the route is in residential areas it is expected most people will walk to their nearest tram stop.

marno21 · 28-07-2017 12:22am

The_Wanderer wrote: »

I think there will be a small car park at Broombridge, as most of the route is in residential areas it is expected most people will walk to their nearest tram stop.

Would be better to have a place to store bikes at Broombridge, although it being Broombridge may discourage people from leaving their bike nearby or even cycling there.

Broombridge is a bit too urban for park and ride and encouraging more cars in that far. Would be more effective to get people to park further out if they live along the N4/N3 corridors and get the train in, although that could be a bit more hassle with the changes. Perhaps park further out, train to the city centre and Luas from OCS-SSG area.

ClovenHoof · 14-08-2017 12:15pm

Getting all Sligo line trains to connect with Luas at Broombridge needs to be a priority.

The concept of Sligo trains not stopping there is outrageous. Unless they want to keep killing off the Sligo rail service by making it increasingly irrelevant.

mrsdewinter · 14-08-2017 2:24pm

ClovenHoof wrote: »

Getting all Sligo line trains to connect with Luas at Broombridge needs to be a priority.

The concept of Sligo trains not stopping there is outrageous. Unless they want to keep killing off the Sligo rail service by making it increasingly irrelevant.

No, not necessarily. Thanks to Luas Cross City, people travelling from Sligo will be able to hop on the Red Line for, literally, 5 minutes, change at Abbey Street, and hop on the Green Line from there.
At the moment, the Sligo train flies past all the stops between Maynooth and Connolly. Are you suggesting that it make an exception for Broombridge?
Look, maybe this is in the works, and if so, fantastic. (I live along that commuter line and I have family in Sligo - I'd love the opportunity to hop on at Broombridge instead of shlepping out to Maynooth first.)
But don't fixate on this 1 point on the Green Line at the cost of a direct service into Connolly.

ClovenHoof · 14-08-2017 8:09pm

mrsdewinter wrote: »

At the moment, the Sligo train flies past all the stops between Maynooth and Connolly. Are you suggesting that it make an exception for Broombridge?

Yes. Absolutely. It's called Public Transport Integration.

goingnowhere · 14-08-2017 8:24pm

Stop at Broombridge is a no brainer, will be a major transfer point particularly students heading for DIT & TCD who drive a lot of traffic on the Sligo line on weekends. They already is stop at Drumcondra to facilitate DCU students on Sunday

Also means you could divert Sligo services into Docklands during incidents of disruption/planned maintenance and still provide a meaningful connection option, much better than bussing people in from Maynooth

mrsdewinter · 14-08-2017 9:40pm

goingnowhere wrote: »

Stop at Broombridge is a no brainer, will be a major transfer point particularly students heading for DIT & TCD who drive a lot of traffic on the Sligo line on weekends. They already is stop at Drumcondra to facilitate DCU students on Sunday

Also means you could divert Sligo services into Docklands during incidents of disruption/planned maintenance and still provide a meaningful connection option, much better than bussing people in from Maynooth

I'm not ideologically opposed to this at all. I can just see the other side of the argument, that students could just as easily get the Luas to Broombridge, then commuter train to Maynooth. It would save the hassle of stopping an intercity train at lil ole Broombridge.

goingnowhere · 14-08-2017 9:54pm

That works sure, but with multiple changes you reduce your potential customer base.

If we look at Berlin say, every long distance train stops at a station on the edge of the city before getting to the main station, makes journeys quicker and simpler

Del.Monte · 14-08-2017 10:58pm

mrsdewinter wrote: »

I'm not ideologically opposed to this at all. I can just see the other side of the argument, that students could just as easily get the Luas to Broombridge, then commuter train to Maynooth. It would save the hassle of stopping an intercity train at lil ole Broombridge.

Surely there must be more changes that they could make on their journey - why not force them to travel as far as Leixlip and change again? Not everybody who takes the train is a closet enthusiast you know.

Luas Cross City Line (BXD)

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