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Luas Cross City Line (BXD)

  • 22-04-2013 11:00pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,064 ✭✭✭


    I've created a gallery of photographs for the forthcoming LUAS Cross City Line which will operate from St. Stephen's Green to Broombridge. This can be viewed at http://smu.gs/ZsJ6XB

    The first part of the gallery is a photograhic survey of the route in its current form before construction starts later in the year.

    I would hope this thread will become a focal point of discussion about the future LUAS Cross City Line. If anybody has any questions then please feel free to post them.

    The Wanderer.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 272 ✭✭Eiretrains


    Looking forward to seeing the developments on the Broadstone trackbed, I was there in November and I caught the weed sprayer moving along the trackbed.:D
    I wish they could have named the planned stop on Fassaugh Rd 'Dalymount' instead to attract people to my footballing haunt.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,258 ✭✭✭✭Losty Dublin


    Eiretrains wrote: »
    I wish they could have named the planned stop on Fassaugh Rd 'Dalymount' instead to attract people to my footballing haunt.

    Don't you mean NAMAMount? ;):D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 277 ✭✭Con Logue


    When the Arrow service between Heuston and Kildare commenced in 1994, I remember well one review of the service that described the now demolished Cherry Orchard station as "Ireland's first combat ready railway station". Broombridge will certainly need to be combat ready with plenty of tough security guards when the building materials for the Cross City Line are put in place there..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,184 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    The presence of any amount of people seen as 'authority' as well as lighting might be enough to keep them away


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,005 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    .

    I would hope this thread will become a focal point of discussion about the future LUAS Cross City Line. If anybody has any questions then please feel free to post them.

    The Wanderer.

    Top Stuff Wanderer,well done.

    It's sad to note that it's only now the some entity has finally decided that The Parnell St/Domnick St end of Dublin merits a Public Transport service.

    It's equally sad (:o) to note the discombobulation which the traditional Dublin Taxidriver is facing.....especially with Ivor Callelly now unavoidably unable to champion a joint Luas/TaxiRank in O Connell St.....:eek:


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,257 ✭✭✭GCU Flexible Demeanour


    Con Logue wrote: »
    Broombridge will certainly need to be combat ready with plenty of tough security guards when the building materials for the Cross City Line are put in place there..
    I've been Googling around a little about the new Luas line, terminating at the IE station in Broombridge. There is a standard line on security
    http://www.rpa.ie/en/projects/luas_city_broombridge/Pages/FAQs.aspx#anchor_security

    Q: Will there be good security and safety arrangements at stops?

    A: Luas Broombridge will be a very secure system for the passengers. The stops will be extensively monitored by means of CCTV and the vehicles will also have on-board cameras to deter unruly behaviour. In both cases the output will be recorded and retained for a period so that it can be used as evidence if required subsequently. In addition all vehicles and stops will be patrolled on a regular basis by uniformed staff.
    However, the Broombridge IE station is in a permanent state of ruin. There seems to be an obvious security issue in having a Luas terminus at that point - I can't see people feeling comfortable as they wait for a connection.

    Now, maybe we could hope that regular traffic - in the form of frequent passing of Luas-related passengers - would mean the station is no longer a magnet for anti-social behaviour. I'd just wonder does anyone - RPA, or IE or whomever, have a plan? Certainly, there's no evidence of the authorities being able to protect the existing station.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,283 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    To be fair - the current station is in the middle of an industrial wilderness that will be gone after the LUAS depot is built - the site itself will be far less attractive to the local gurriers post-redevelopment.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,257 ✭✭✭GCU Flexible Demeanour


    lxflyer wrote: »
    To be fair - the current station is in the middle of an industrial wilderness that will be gone after the LUAS depot is built - the site itself will be far less attractive to the local gurriers post-redevelopment.
    Let me say, I certainly hope that's the case. But, presumably, the Luas won't take up the whole area. The industrial estate across the canal will, presumably, still be there and still be dead at night.

    To be clear, I'm not suggesting we abandon the area to the Zombie Apocalypse. It just strikes me as something that requires a structured plan, in advance, as the local Mau Mau may well try it on.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,283 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    Well I would suggest that, given trams will be stored on site, there is going to have be a significant security presence at the location.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,346 ✭✭✭dowlingm


    sadly rather than being a positive development I foresee any number of apologists damning the "gentrification" and "police state" required to merely impede gurriers from doing as they damned well please.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,537 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    Another Luas Depot, why do we need three for such a small system?

    Amsterdam has an enormous tram system and still only has two depots, one purely for storage, why do we need all the costs associated with three?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,068 ✭✭✭LoonyLovegood


    Eiretrains wrote: »
    Looking forward to seeing the developments on the Broadstone trackbed, I was there in November and I caught the weed sprayer moving along the trackbed.:D
    I wish they could have named the planned stop on Fassaugh Rd 'Dalymount' instead to attract people to my footballing haunt.

    There'll be one on Fassaugh Road? Grand and handy altogether then!

    I've been walking around the city centre when I'm in Dublin, that bridge over the Liffey is coming on slowly, it must be close to two years since it started?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,346 ✭✭✭dowlingm


    Another Luas Depot, why do we need three for such a small system?

    Amsterdam has an enormous tram system and still only has two depots, one purely for storage, why do we need all the costs associated with three?
    Can't speak to Amsterdam's system but one would hope that Line D won't be the last Luas extension and thus will make sense in time. The single interline linkages makes the system fragile in the event of fires etc. so trams could find an alternate home for the night if their own was cut off. A depot at both ends of the B-D axis should mean less deadheading time one would think.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,283 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    Presumably it's needed for storage space, plus it cuts cost of dead running to start in the early mornings.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,174 ✭✭✭✭Captain Chaos


    Also if a tram failed on the new extension, imagine how long it would take to clear it off the running lines.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,064 ✭✭✭The_Wanderer


    lxflyer wrote: »
    Presumably it's needed for storage space, plus it cuts cost of dead running to start in the early mornings.

    Plus it allows longer periods at night for engineering works to take place. If a tram had to return empty from Broombridge to Sandyford and empty from Sandyford to Broombridge in the morning it would only allow a period from 0200 - 0400 approximately for maintenance work to take place.

    With the depot at Broombridge I would suspect a period of 0100 - 0430 can be used for engineering works.

    So while it may seem extreme to have depots at each end of the line it is actually makes very good sense in the overall picture.

    The Wanderer.

    P.S. I still think they will need armed security there to keep the place secure! :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,257 ✭✭✭GCU Flexible Demeanour


    P.S. I still think they will need armed security there to keep the place secure! :D
    A picture might give people an idea of how tucked away the station is.

    https://maps.google.ie/?ll=53.372864,-6.29993&spn=0.000013,0.009645&t=m&z=17&layer=c&cbll=53.372866,-6.29993&panoid=Day8S3TtlJLnXLFY3B9_6A&cbp=12,102.67,,2,1.96


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,295 ✭✭✭n97 mini


    The land adjacent to the station looks like it was "ploughed" recently. i.e. it's all turned.

    Can't believe the plans don't include 24 hour security. How many thousands worth of damage will be caused before they do.

    Still don't know where the Gardaí are in all this, I'm suspecting still absent is the answer.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,005 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    n97 mini wrote: »
    The land adjacent to the station looks like it was "ploughed" recently. i.e. it's all turned.

    Can't believe the plans don't include 24 hour security. How many thousands worth of damage will be caused before they do.

    Still don't know where the Gardaí are in all this, I'm suspecting still absent is the answer.

    The Gardai are in their usual position,Caught In The Middle.

    Those Gardai in Cabra and Finglas,who regularly respond to various calls regarding this "Facility",would be able to rattle off a long list of names accurately listing those who conspire to keep Broombridge free from Normality.

    Forget about Commuting and Railways for a moment,and instead focus on those images of Broombridge Station and it's ideal location for a wide variety of anti-social and downright criminal practices.

    There are some individuals with a significant stake in keeping Broombridge exactly as it is........;)

    The RPA will at some point have to address this reality,and it will be interestying to see just how they propose to do it ?


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,295 ✭✭✭n97 mini


    AlekSmart wrote: »
    The Gardai are in their usual position,Caught In The Middle.
    Not doubting what you say, but in all my times in Broombridge I've seen gay orgies*, bonfires on the platforms, cider parties, burning cars, I've been on several stoned trains etc., but I've never seen the gardaí?

    *http://www.joe.ie/news/current-affairs/pic-what-the-hell-is-going-on-at-broombridge-train-station-in-dublin-nsfw/


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,310 ✭✭✭✭Grandeeod


    n97 mini wrote: »
    Not doubting what you say, but in all my times in Broombridge I've seen gay orgies*, bonfires on the platforms, cider parties, burning cars, I've been on several stoned trains etc., but I've never seen the gardaí?

    *http://www.joe.ie/news/current-affairs/pic-what-the-hell-is-going-on-at-broombridge-train-station-in-dublin-nsfw/

    That's not a gay orgy. If you look closely you will see that its merely a bonfire on the platform, cider party and lads dropping their trousers to flash at a train and the burning car could be out of shot. :D

    In all fairness to your description of Broombridge, I reckon it would be the last place on earth gay people would hold an orgy. But each to their own.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 879 ✭✭✭TheBandicoot


    I'm waiting with baited breath for a local councillor to object to the destruction of the 'youth facility' that the wasteland provides, or at least demand that some youth centre or sport facility is provided in trade. The unfortunate thing is he would probably be right, the area probably means a lot to certain locals and many will have fond memories of their teenage experiences there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,064 ✭✭✭The_Wanderer


    The LUAS Cross City route was walked on Saturday and pictures from that are in the LUAS Cross City gallery at http://smu.gs/1DroKFF

    The Wanderer.

    DSC_0345-M.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,064 ✭✭✭The_Wanderer


    Evening all,



    Plus update to the LUAS Cross City construction. See http://smu.gs/1MuiYa3 to view. Features tracks laid around College Green.

    DSC_8288-M.jpg

    The Wanderer.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11 Montpelier Hill


    Hi everyone, nice to see tram rails are now being put in place on the corner at top of Dawson st. (took a few photos but unable to post.)


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,121 ✭✭✭ClovenHoof


    Will new trams be ordered for the line?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,121 ✭✭✭ClovenHoof


    Broombridge won't be a problem any more. The issue now is there is nothing around the station in terms of human activity. When the interchange is built it will be filled with people for nearly 18 hours a day.

    The Skangers will probably move off to somewhere else.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,174 ✭✭✭✭Captain Chaos


    ClovenHoof wrote: »
    Will new trams be ordered for the line?

    Already ordered, they will be 56m long with 9 sections, 3 metres longer than the current green line trams.

    I think just 7 are on order with options to extend the green line tram like the red line trams were. There were plans for 10 extra trams.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,791 ✭✭✭BowWow




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 306 ✭✭Seesee


    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/bus-concerns-on-the-new-luas-cross-city-line-1.2478013

    I'm gobsmacked at this!

    Here's more:
    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/buses-may-be-banned-from-college-green-due-to-luas-1.2478056

    How could they not have planned this down to the nth degree before starting the project. Did they just think about how the luas would run on it's own and to hell with any other mode of transport?

    Heads will roll - ha ha ha!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 80 ✭✭sporty56


    Would not expect heads to roll on this - maybe horizontal promotions. LUAS was never good at cracking the whip on serious technical errors as Mary O'Rourke made sure RPA had no real bite. See attached from 2000, an example of concrete rail block which was under suspicion by technical folk before even being installed - not suitable for curves only straights. Techies were proven right and a heap of money spent to fix it west of Red Cow. No casualties.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 80 ✭✭sporty56


    Sorry photo fell off.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,121 ✭✭✭ClovenHoof


    BowWow wrote: »

    Cheers. Wonder will they look different too in terms of visual design.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,064 ✭✭✭The_Wanderer


    Owen Keegan apparently backtracked on newstalk and said buses wouldn't be permitted down Dawson St. I.E. the current routings would remain in force.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,995 ✭✭✭Schadenfreudia


    Great video on YouTube....may have been posted here before - didn't check :o

    https://youtu.be/OxR_bO24VwA


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,184 ✭✭✭mrsdewinter


    Great video on YouTube....may have been posted here before - didn't check :o

    https://youtu.be/OxR_bO24VwA

    That's great! Thanks for that!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,844 ✭✭✭Banjoxed


    Seesee wrote: »
    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/bus-concerns-on-the-new-luas-cross-city-line-1.2478013

    I'm gobsmacked at this!

    Here's more:
    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/buses-may-be-banned-from-college-green-due-to-luas-1.2478056

    How could they not have planned this down to the nth degree before starting the project. Did they just think about how the luas would run on it's own and to hell with any other mode of transport?

    Heads will roll - ha ha ha!

    "Heads will roll" - flipping heck C&T posters would have more decapitations than ISIS if that phrase had any correlation with reality.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,995 ✭✭✭Schadenfreudia


    Banjoxed wrote: »
    "Heads will roll" - flipping heck C&T posters would have more decapitations than ISIS if that phrase had any correlation with reality.

    Hmmm....sometimes you wonder if it might not improve matters....:rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,064 ✭✭✭The_Wanderer


    Evening all,

    As alluded to in yesterday's update, the second part of the pictures are now online and feature the latest progress of the LUAS Cross City construction from Broombridge to St. Stephen's Green.

    Great progress has been made in the City Centre over the last few months with track laying now underway in most areas. The work in O'Connell Street won't commence until later in the year after the 1916 Easter Rising commemorations have taken place.

    Click http://smu.gs/1S8VQDb to view.

    DSC_0058-S.jpg
    DSC_0080-S.jpg
    DSC_0115-S.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,064 ✭✭✭The_Wanderer


    Evening all,

    As alluded to in yesterday's update, the second part of the pictures are now online and feature the latest progress of the LUAS Cross City construction from Broombridge to St. Stephen's Green.

    Great progress has been made in the City Centre over the last few months with track laying now underway in most areas. The work in O'Connell Street won't commence until later in the year after the 1916 Easter Rising commemorations have taken place.

    Click http://smu.gs/1S8VQDb to view.

    DSC_0058-S.jpg
    DSC_0080-S.jpg
    DSC_0115-S.jpg


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,983 ✭✭✭mystic86


    The work in O'Connell Street won't commence until later in the year after the 1916 Easter Rising commemorations have taken place.

    The line on O'Connell Street north of the Spire is already in place before this weekend just gone.

    Surely this won't actually take another 18/19 months to complete?!

    They seem to be flying through the work


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,995 ✭✭✭Schadenfreudia


    mystic86 wrote: »

    Surely this won't actually take another 18/19 months to complete?!

    They seem to be flying through the work

    Have to allow for the drivers looking for 60% overtime to test the new line.....:cool:


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 702 ✭✭✭Simon2015


    Hi does anyone know if there will be 2 luas tracks in college green ?

    From what I can see they only seem to be building one track.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,283 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    Simon2015 wrote: »
    Hi does anyone know if there will be 2 luas tracks in college green ?

    From what I can see they only seem to be building one track.

    Yes there will be two tracks on College Green.

    Only one has been laid so far.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 702 ✭✭✭Simon2015


    lxflyer wrote: »
    Yes there will be two tracks on College Green.

    Only one has been laid so far.


    I can't see where they will put the 2nd track without closing down the road to all traffic ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,283 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    Simon2015 wrote: »
    I can't see where they will put the 2nd track without closing down the road to all traffic ?

    If you mean during construction, there will still be space for a single northbound traffic lane inside the northbound track alongside the Bank of Ireland.

    Southbound traffic can use the lane where the southbound track has already been laid and the lane outside that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,791 ✭✭✭BowWow


    Why are the two lines outside Trinity not parallel? Seems to be a bigger space or island between them?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,283 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    BowWow wrote: »
    Why are the two lines outside Trinity not parallel? Seems to be a bigger space or island between them?

    The original plan was for a traffic lane between them to facilitate buses turning right onto Dame St


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,791 ✭✭✭BowWow


    Will that be reconsidered now that there will be no cars, with buses/trams sharing the same "alignment"?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,283 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    BowWow wrote: »
    Will that be reconsidered now that there will be no cars, with buses/trams sharing the same "alignment"?

    Well that's what's up in the air.


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