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Fight Time From 4am-McGregor vs Mayweather**MOD Warning in 1st Post**

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  • #4232
    Frank Bullitt
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    Floyd via DQ


  • #4233
    GerryDerpy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 761 ✭✭✭GerryDerpy


    Conor via DQ
    walshb wrote: »
    They have not moved..

    He is getting thoroughly beaten on Aug 26

    And he is leagues below what is needed..

    My whole thread has been consistent..

    If things change of course opinions and views can..

    I agree with only your last line :D

    I would never hold it against someone for changing their opinion based on what happens. I respect that. It is the denial of being wrong that is an issue for me. We will see on Aug 26.


  • #4234
    myshirt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,245 ✭✭✭myshirt


    GiftofGab wrote: »
    Thinking there's a possibility that this whole Pauli incident is preplanned to sell more PPV. Pauli pulling a tantrum then the video gets released 2 weeks before the fight. Pauli also works for showtime.

    Well if it was, all they've managed to do is piss people off.


  • #4235
    GerryDerpy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 761 ✭✭✭GerryDerpy


    Conor via DQ
    GiftofGab wrote: »
    Thinking there's a possibility that this whole Pauli incident is preplanned to sell more PPV. Pauli pulling a tantrum then the video gets released 2 weeks before the fight. Pauli also works for showtime.

    That narrative certainly suits most on this forum.


  • #4236
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,453 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Floyd via KO-TKO
    GerryDerpy wrote: »
    Your claim is baseless. Before you had an advantage in that we had no evidence of Conor vs. Boxers. Now we have proof that he knocked down a recent world champ. For you to say he would be schooled by an amateur looks absurd now.

    Well, until he boxed top Irish amateurs then none of us know for certain.

    I'll stay confident in them schooling him..

    And a few clips here and there of a "spar" against Malignaggi won't change my mind..


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  • #4237
    GerryDerpy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 761 ✭✭✭GerryDerpy


    Conor via DQ
    walshb wrote: »
    Well, until he boxed top Irish amateurs then none of us know.

    I'll stay confident in them schooling him..

    None of us know is right, so your confidence is misplaced and baseless.
    walshb wrote: »
    And a few clips here and there of a "spar" against Malignaggi won't change my mind..

    Fair enough. Objectively it does point to McGregor having some form of pro boxing ability but whatever.


  • #4238
    Morrison J
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,959 ✭✭✭Morrison J


    Floyd via DQ
    Ash.J.Williams wrote: »
    Morrison J wrote: »
    He has no elite wins on his record. A number of levels below Floyd.

    He's also shot to bits. Never had good head movement as a pro and relied on his legs defensively. Those legs are gone. Not a massive achievement that he caught him clean in 30 seconds of footage.

    He's still a boxer though and the early stages of this thread suggest conor as a novice would be schooled by amateurs
    Oh absolutely. I didn't see it as being competitive. I've already praised McGregor as although it's hard to make assumptions of such limited video, it looks like his accuracy is there. He definitely seems to be surpassing my expectations of him. It doesn't really mean much though. There are so many levels to boxing and Conor is nowhere near being at a high enough level to trouble Floyd whatsoever.

    I'm still giving him pretty much zero chance against Floyd. Hope these clips make more money come in on Conor tbh. I want those Floyd KO odds to get a little bit closer to evens.


  • #4239
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,453 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Floyd via KO-TKO
    GerryDerpy wrote: »
    None of us know is right, so your confidence is misplaced and baseless.



    Fair enough. Objectively it does point to McGregor having some form of pro boxing ability but whatever.

    Pro boxing ability to what degree is the key?

    There are many pro boxers out there that my granny would beat..

    Where is Conor as regards levels?

    I'd say well down the list...


  • #4240
    blade1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,767 ✭✭✭✭blade1


    Draw
    walshb wrote: »
    Pro boxing ability to what degree is the key?

    There are many pro boxers out there that my granny would beat..

    Where is Conor as regards levels?

    I'd say well down the list...
    Would McGregor beat your Granny?:D


  • #4241
    hbhook
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 349 ✭✭hbhook


    Floyd via DQ
    I think some people are being a bit unfair on P M's career. He did a lot with nearly no power in his hands. He lost to the top top dogs but he got robbed in the first Juan Diaz fight and beat him in the rematch. Diaz gave Juan Manuel Marquez two really competitive fights. A lot of boxing people gave him a lot of credit for beating an underrated Ukranian called Vyacheslav Senchenko for his second world title not too many years ago.


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  • #4242
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,228 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    Floyd via DQ
    Burial. wrote: »
    Certainly isn't clean but does look a knockdown, although I've seen them ruled a slip/push. Willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. I'm surprised Paulie looked so aggressive and willing to engage. Both looking very amateurish.

    It's convenient Dana posted two spots where he looked well. Again, it doesn't say much about the sparring as a whole. Sparring is sparring though, I've seen world level fighters made to look like novices.

    Props to Conor though, looks at least functional in the ring.

    Still waiting for the prices on Floyd to drift.

    Delighted that footage has been released. Prices should drift in the next few days. Thanks Dana.


  • #4243
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,453 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Floyd via KO-TKO
    blade1 wrote: »
    Would McGregor beat your Granny?:D

    Considering her reach was only 60 and his 74 I think he'd be a live favourite.


  • #4244
    Ultimate Seduction
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,464 ✭✭✭Ultimate Seduction


    walshb wrote:
    And a few clips here and there of a "spar" against Malignaggi won't change my mind..


    Whats with the commas around "spar".

    You are now insinuating it wasn't actually a spar. Your a gas man Walsh.


  • #4245
    GerryDerpy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 761 ✭✭✭GerryDerpy


    Conor via DQ
    walshb wrote: »
    Pro boxing ability to what degree is the key?

    There are many pro boxers out there that my granny would beat..

    Where is Conor as regards levels?

    I'd say well down the list...

    To what degree I don't know. But the assertion from you and others was that this was like McIlroy or Ronaldo stepping into the ring against Floyd.

    My assertion is that yee are seriously underestimating Conor's boxing ability. Either traditional boxing skills or applicable skills.

    I think his ability to knockdown a former world champ means he is numerous levels above your initial assessment.


  • #4246
    jam83
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 341 ✭✭jam83


    I'm no boxing expert but mcgregor looks like a street brawler in one of those dana white clips. There's more slaps than punches. The mayweather fight will look ugly. Surely he should have more of a boxers stance and combinations by now?


  • #4247
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,453 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Floyd via KO-TKO
    Ultimate Seduction wrote: »
    Whats with the commas around "spar".

    You are now insinuating it wasn't actually a spar. Your a gas man Walsh.

    Now, that wasn't my intention. Just using it to emphasise spar..

    But you have brought up a possible debate now...away you go.

    And it's you're..


  • #4248
    blade1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,767 ✭✭✭✭blade1


    Draw
    walshb wrote: »
    Considering her reach was only 60 and his 74 I think he'd be a live favourite.

    About the same reach as Mike Perez so!!:pac:


  • #4249
    Gamebred
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,269 ✭✭✭Gamebred


    Floyd via KO-TKO
    The fact he couldnt take out an out of shape Paulie is a worry, 16 oz's or not, Paulie isnt in the same universe as Floyd but it appears some people that said he wouldnt land a punch on a pro or even good amatuer due to them seeing the Van Heeren sparring, now footage of him putting it on Malignaggi and it doesnt count? pmsl


  • #4250
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,453 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Floyd via KO-TKO
    GerryDerpy wrote: »
    To what degree I don't know. But the assertion from you and others was that this was like McIlroy or Ronaldo stepping into the ring against Floyd.

    My assertion is that yee are seriously underestimating Conor's boxing ability. Either traditional boxing skills or applicable skills.

    I think his ability to knockdown a former world champ means he is numerous levels above your initial assessment.

    I don't think I ever said it was like Rory or Ronaldo stepping in the ring against Floyd..I hope I didn't..

    Conor has fighting skills in a general overall sense..

    I don't think Rory or Ronaldo have..

    Like I said...I have been consistent..

    In relation to top class pro boxing Conor for me is a novice.


  • #4251
    GerryDerpy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 761 ✭✭✭GerryDerpy


    Conor via DQ
    walshb wrote: »
    I don't think I ever said it was like Rory or Ronaldo stepping in the ring against Floyd..I hope I didn't..

    Conor has fighting skills in a general overall sense..

    I don't think Rory or Ronaldo have..

    Like I said...I have been consistent..

    In relation to top class pro boxing Conor for me is a novice.

    Maybe I am paraphrasing!

    Well yes he is a novice by definition. He has zero pro fights! But I can see past that and look at his abilities that may give him a chance. To just go on the logic that he is novice therefore he loses is lazy.


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  • #4252
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Floyd via DQ
    LionelNashe wrote: »
    What keeps me watching McGregor is that I always think that this might be the one where he loses (not that I want him to.) It's like watching somebody on a tightrope. You want him to get across but there's tension because he might fall of at any moment.

    He's been going out before fights for the last few years, confidently predicting victory. This heightens the stakes, because he's risking embarrassment by being so outspoken. People say, he won't beat this guy, he won't beat a wrestler, he won't beat Jose Aldo, he won't beat a lightweight. The fact that he lost the first Diaz fight doesn't even diminish my interest, because it just proves that he can lose, that there really is something at stake.

    Those who say McGregor won't win, is there any part of you that wants to be wrong?

    Zero part. Boxers should stick to boxing Mixed Martial Artists should stick to MMA. This is a circus.


  • #4253
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,453 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Floyd via KO-TKO
    GerryDerpy wrote: »
    Maybe I am paraphrasing!

    Well yes he is a novice by definition. He has zero pro fights! But I can see past that and look at his abilities that may give him a chance. To just go on the logic that he is novice therefore he loses is lazy.

    Novice, and from what I have seen of him in the ring, and from what we have seen of Floyd in the ring...he loses...and you call that lazy?


  • #4254
    John_D80
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    Conor via DQ
    Gamebred wrote: »
    The fact he couldnt take out an out of shape Paulie is a worry, 16 oz's or not, Paulie isnt in the same universe as Floyd but it appears some people that said he wouldnt land a punch on a pro or even good amatuer due to them seeing the Van Heeren sparring, now footage of him putting it on Malignaggi and it doesnt count? pmsl

    Why would he be even trying to take out a sparring partner in fairness ??

    He had an opportunity to spar with a genuinely world class boxer. 'Taking him out' would have done nothing for his preparation.


  • #4255
    StringerBell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,339 ✭✭✭✭StringerBell


    Floyd via DQ
    GerryDerpy wrote: »
    Maybe I am paraphrasing!

    Well yes he is a novice by definition. He has zero pro fights! But I can see past that and look at his abilities that may give him a chance. To just go on the logic that he is novice therefore he loses is lazy.

    He doesn't have the ability to beat mayweather, therefore he loses. Don't see anything wrong with that statement? Mayweather is too many levels above him.

    It's not like there is any shame in that either like.

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



  • #4256
    Gamebred
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,269 ✭✭✭Gamebred


    Floyd via KO-TKO
    John_D80 wrote: »
    Why would he be even trying to take out a sparring partner in fairness ??

    He had an opportunity to spar with a genuinely world class boxer. 'Taking him out' would have done nothing for his preparation.


    Are you serious? even in the footage he's trying take him out of course he'd of like to ko Paulie.


  • #4257
    John_D80
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    Conor via DQ
    Gamebred wrote: »
    Are you serious? even in the footage he's trying take him out of course he'd of like to ko Paulie.

    The footage?? All 15 seconds of it?

    Malignaggi was always known as a fighter that was pretty tough to finish. It's not in any way a negative reflection on McGregor that he didn't finish him in a spar like you're trying to make out.


  • #4258
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Floyd via DQ
    myshirt wrote: »
    Yeah it's very poor. This could be dangerous. The footwork isn't there at all.

    Just watching his footwork there, with all his jumping around, there's a chance he'll be put on his arse a few times from less than full shots just from being off balance if he's caught mid jump.


  • #4259
    Gamebred
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,269 ✭✭✭Gamebred


    Floyd via KO-TKO
    John_D80 wrote: »
    The footage?? All 15 seconds of it?

    Malignaggi was always known as a fighter that was pretty tough to finish. It's not in any way a negative reflection on McGregor that he didn't finish him in a spar like you're trying to make out.


    Of course it is, hes planning on taking out a 100 times better fighter, how you gonna ko Floyd if you couldnt stop Paulie in 20 rounds, one knockdown is hardly inspiring.


  • #4260
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Floyd via DQ
    Ash.J.Williams wrote: »
    He's still a boxer though and the early stages of this thread suggest conor as a novice would be schooled by amateurs

    He would. In a BOXING match, no one mentioned him being schooled in a spar.


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  • #4261
    Subcomandante Marcos
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    Floyd via DQ
    Gamebred wrote: »
    Of course it is, hes planning on taking out a 100 times better fighter, how you gonna ko Floyd if you couldnt stop Paulie in 20 rounds, one knockdown is hardly inspiring.

    In fairness I wouldn't judge anyone's ability to KO someone in 10/8oz gloves based on a few seconds of footage of sparring in 16oz sparring gloves and headgear. It's not comparable to a real fight at all.


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