Mayo GAA Discussion - Part 3

Squatman · 02-08-2017 03:02PM

would david drake be a good substitute for Ger Cafferky on monday? im on the fence as regards his ability - not really tested, but hes a big enough guy and very fit, would he bode better under high ball even only for the first half?

km79 · 02-08-2017 03:27PM

If it was just a case of firIng in the biggest man possible at full back why would mayo (and Dublin ) be having so many issues there the past few years
Why can't people accept it is a specialist position and not survival of the tallest ?

NabyLadistheman · 02-08-2017 03:36PM

Squatman wrote: »

would david drake be a good substitute for Ger Cafferky on monday? im on the fence as regards his ability - not really tested, but hes a big enough guy and very fit, would he bode better under high ball even only for the first half?

Madness

PARlance · 02-08-2017 03:41PM

Shurimgreat wrote: »

Good question. He did very well when he came on, his distribution wasn't bad...for a big man.

Apart from his first pass which was an absolute howler, completely overcooked it. Redeemed himself with a great ball inside to Cillian who had made a good run though.

PARlance · 02-08-2017 03:49PM

Blackjack wrote: »

He is fairly rock solid but probably lost his starting place on the half back line to Durcan, would be competing with Seamus and Parsons for a place in Midfield, so probably just unfortunate in terms of the pecking order.

I've always been a big fan of his, he was causing Dublin a lot of trouble in the replay last year hence their efforts to nullify his contribution.

He's got great stamina, covers a lot of ground. To my mind, he's being used as a bit of a utility player between midfield and Half back when he comes in, which is pretty much what he's built for. That said he appeared to be a bit further forward the last day.

I much prefer seeing him come off the bench than starting. Think it suits him to enter the game when things have opened up a bit. He started against Clare but got the early black which I think was a blessing in a way. Coen came on and played great.

We're strong in his areas. Assuming everyone is fit, coming in for Seamus is the only way he starts imo. But a great impact sub to have.

homewardbound11 · 02-08-2017 04:51PM

Blackjack wrote: »

He is fairly rock solid but probably lost his starting place on the half back line to Durcan, would be competing with Seamus and Parsons for a place in Midfield, so probably just unfortunate in terms of the pecking order.

I've always been a big fan of his, he was causing Dublin a lot of trouble in the replay last year hence their efforts to nullify his contribution.

He's got great stamina, covers a lot of ground. To my mind, he's being used as a bit of a utility player between midfield and Half back when he comes in, which is pretty much what he's built for. That said he appeared to be a bit further forward the last day.

I would have said taken out of it in the reply with a tackle worthy of 6 months suspension .

Blackjack · 02-08-2017 05:26PM

homewardbound11 wrote: »

I would have said taken out of it in the reply with a tackle worthy of 6 months suspension .

Me too, but I know some sensitive souls from the wrong side of the tracks are always in looking for a reason to get offended at stuff we might say about their angels.

kupus · 02-08-2017 10:06PM

I like Vaughan as well, He reminds me of mdma, I like mdma, not the best player and I think he would admit that himself, but you get 100% all the time every time.

gigantic09 · 03-08-2017 08:19AM

kupus wrote: »

I like Vaughan as well, He reminds me of mdma, I like mdma, not the best player and I think he would admit that himself, but you get 100% all the time every time.

First thought when I read that was, wow!,if Donie Vaughan reminds you of Mdma,it might be time to consider looking for a new drug dealer :-).

Squatman · 03-08-2017 09:15AM

km79 wrote: »

If it was just a case of firIng in the biggest man possible at full back why would mayo (and Dublin ) be having so many issues there the past few years
Why can't people accept it is a specialist position and not survival of the tallest ?

Hes certainly not the biggest. or tallest. every position on the pitch is a specialist position. I think the concensus on this forum is that Rochford needs to put in fresh bodies. I dont think this is a bad solution, certainly given the abuse cafferkey is getting on this forum.

flasher0030 · 03-08-2017 09:27AM

gigantic09 wrote: »

First thought when I read that was, wow!,if Donie Vaughan reminds you of Mdma,it might be time to consider looking for a new drug dealer :-).

I think there is a likeness – both have a lumbering kinda style. A sort of slow-motion. And you wouldn’t be too confident of either of them hitting the target from 30 yards or more.

km79 · 03-08-2017 09:34AM

Squatman wrote: »

Hes certainly not the biggest. or tallest. every position on the pitch is a specialist position. I think the concensus on this forum is that Rochford needs to put in fresh bodies. I dont think this is a bad solution, certainly given the abuse cafferkey is getting on this forum.

So you think that in the biggest game of the year and possibly this teams last big game we should play a half back who comes on as a half forward as a full back to freshen it up? Because caff is getting abuse on the internet?
Sure why don't we put Cillian in goals so cos he looked tired and he will have a better kick out than Clarke?
I laughed when I seen a few suggest playing both hennelly and Clarke a few weeks back ( one FB one on goals ) but it holds as much merit as some of the genuine suggestions since

Shurimgreat · 03-08-2017 09:38AM

km79 wrote: »

If it was just a case of firIng in the biggest man possible at full back why would mayo (and Dublin ) be having so many issues there the past few years
Why can't people accept it is a specialist position and not survival of the tallest ?

Shaking my head in dismay at this post.

You do know we will be facing Kieran Donaghy in the semi final if we get past Roscommon?

You mightn't win every ball against Donaghy but you have to at least compete and make it awkward for him. You have to at least have some physical stature. Cafferkey has none of this. It will be a disaster if they are matched up. He would not be up to the task.

Dublin have shown that if you are physical with Donaghy and compete in the air especially his impact can be minimised. If you don't compete physically he will destroy you.

Lets hope we do have a plan for Kerry. I'm not filled with confidence though.

As for it being a specialist position, the main speciality is competing for the ball either in the air or on the ground. None of which Caf is particularly good at.

Shurimgreat · 03-08-2017 09:49AM

km79 wrote: »

So you think that in the biggest game of the year and possibly this teams last big game we should play a half back who comes on as a half forward as a full back to freshen it up? Because caff is getting abuse on the internet?
Sure why don't we put Cillian in goals so cos he looked tired and he will have a better kick out than Clarke?
I laughed when I seen a few suggest playing both hennelly and Clarke a few weeks back ( one FB one on goals ) but it holds as much merit as some of the genuine suggestions since

Did you even watch the Roscommon game? We got roasted in the full back line, two goals conceded and it could have been many more. Not Cafs fault solely but there is a weakness in front of goal. Playing Clarke and Hennelly is ludicrous, saying its the equivalent of replacing our full back with another player is nonsense and you know it. Vaughan has played full back many times in the past and done well. The guy is a big physical presence which is what you need on front of goal.

Audioslaven · 03-08-2017 11:15AM

Shurimgreat wrote: »

Did you even watch the Roscommon game? We got roasted in the full back line, two goals conceded and it could have been many more. Not Cafs fault solely but there is a weakness in front of goal. Playing Clarke and Hennelly is ludicrous, saying its the equivalent of replacing our full back with another player is nonsense and you know it. Vaughan has played full back many times in the past and done well. The guy is a big physical presence which is what you need on front of goal.

Caff will work to a point but he will get turned over.... Rochford is not going to change now since he didn't change after the Cork game. He will do exactly the same as the last day and try to protect Caff with Higgins as sweeper. He is also hoping caff will improve, which will happen but to what degree is another question. This is probably ok for the moment (Roscommon game)

The problem arises if we beat Roscommon. Rochford has a habit of playing certain people on certain players and I think he will play a certain big player on KD. He did this last year on another game towards the end where he played AOS in the full back. This is very possible imo but one thing is for sure he will have to play a big bully type in the full back line to put manners on Donaghy. I hope that day comes and I would relish the sight of him on his arse.

livelife · 03-08-2017 11:23AM

Anyone know how tickets sale are going?

The Cusack stand seems to be sold out. A good crowd expected on Monday

Oldira · 03-08-2017 11:30AM

livelife wrote: »

Anyone know how tickets sale are going?

The Cusack stand seems to be sold out. A good crowd expected on Monday

Thats only the lower level. I'd say 30-35000 mak. Lot of folk away etc this weekend.

mayo.mick · 03-08-2017 11:31AM

livelife wrote: »

Anyone know how tickets sale are going?

The Cusack stand seems to be sold out. A good crowd expected on Monday

Upper tiers not being opened, will only be about 40K tops

Squatman · 03-08-2017 11:33AM

km79 wrote: »

So you think that in the biggest game of the year and possibly this teams last big game we should play a half back who comes on as a half forward as a full back to freshen it up? Because caff is getting abuse on the internet?
Sure why don't we put Cillian in goals so cos he looked tired and he will have a better kick out than Clarke?
I laughed when I seen a few suggest playing both hennelly and Clarke a few weeks back ( one FB one on goals ) but it holds as much merit as some of the genuine suggestions since

He played in the all ireland last year, "the biggest game of the year" and no not because Caff is "getting abuse on the internet" that would be silly - but because our team are hemorrhaging goals, and unless we change things up, we will keep getting what we have been getting. At the end of the day, each of our players have to be better than the man they are marking - or is that "specialist" thinking.
What solution would you offer to our defence?:eek:

km79 · 03-08-2017 11:37AM

Squatman wrote: »

He played in the all ireland last year, "the biggest game of the year" and no not because Caff is "getting abuse on the internet" that would be silly - but because our team are hemorrhaging goals, and unless we change things up, we will keep getting what we have been getting. At the end of the day, each of our players have to be better than the man they are marking - or is that "specialist" thinking.
What solution would you offer to our defence?:eek:

He didn't play full back
For this game I would persist with caff and Higgins sweeping
Or
Move to the more fluid system of last year with donie back I think we will need him out around the middle Monday

Shurimgreat · 03-08-2017 11:45AM

km79 wrote: »

He didn't play full back
For this game I would persist with caff and Higgins sweeping
Or
Move to the more fluid system of last year with donie back I think we will need him out around the middle Monday

Persist with a combination that clearly failed several times already? As squatman said we've leaked goals with the Caff/Higgins combination. It ain't working. When something doesn't work, it makes sense to change it. Let's see what Rochford comes up with.

Audioslaven · 03-08-2017 11:57AM

Shurimgreat wrote: »

Persist with a combination that clearly failed several times already? As squatman said we've leaked goals with the Caff/Higgins combination. It ain't working. When something doesn't work, it makes sense to change it. Let's see what Rochford comes up with.

In fairness to Caff, he has improved from the Cork game but still off the required level to protect our goal properly. Rochford will not change and I would be shocked if he makes a change.

Squatman · 03-08-2017 12:19PM

Audioslaven wrote: »

In fairness to Caff, he has improved from the Cork game but still off the required level to protect our goal properly. Rochford will not change and I would be shocked if he makes a change.

Cork dont have a Donnaghy, neither do Roscommon, and both teams got goals past us along with Derry. (Did caff play in the galway or clare games?)

seligehgit · 03-08-2017 01:36PM

Squatman wrote: »

Hes certainly not the biggest. or tallest. every position on the pitch is a specialist position. I think the concensus on this forum is that Rochford needs to put in fresh bodies. I dont think this is a bad solution, certainly given the abuse cafferkey is getting on this forum.

I have not seen any about abuse of Ger Cafferkey on this forum?

I think most criticism has been very measured and circumspect in it's nature.I would hate to think that there would be any abuse of a personal nature but I just don't see it.

I would like a change at full back and that's no offence meant to Ger Caff but as others have mentioned I don't see it happening.

flasher0030 · 03-08-2017 01:50PM

seligehgit wrote: »

I have not seen any about abuse of Ger Cafferkey on this forum?

I think most criticism has been very measured and circumspect in it's nature.I would hate to think that there would be any abuse of a personal nature but I just don't see it.

I would like a change at full back and that's no offence meant to Ger Caff but as others have mentioned I don't see it happening.

Was Ger Caff playing full back last Sunday. Obviously he number 3, but Harrison picked up D Murtagh, their no. 14. Who what from what I can recall positioned himself in the typical full forward position for most of the time. I didn't take note who Caff was picking up, but he spent a lot of the time outside of the full back territory.

Audioslaven · 03-08-2017 02:07PM

seligehgit wrote: »

I have not seen any about abuse of Ger Cafferkey on this forum?

I think most criticism has been very measured and circumspect in it's nature.I would hate to think that there would be any abuse of a personal nature but I just don't see it.

I would like a change at full back and that's no offence meant to Ger Caff but as others have mentioned I don't see it happening.

Also he is just back from a bad injury so that takes time. I would agree it is not abuse in any means.

Audioslaven · 03-08-2017 02:12PM

Squatman wrote: »

Cork dont have a Donnaghy, neither do Roscommon, and both teams got goals past us along with Derry. (Did caff play in the galway or clare games?)

Caff has played all as far as I can remember, He was well off the pace in the Galway game but the last day is the first time he improved. I just think it takes a while to get over the injury. I think he is most vulnerable when a forward turns on him. He just isn't turning fast enough to stay with them.

Shurimgreat · 03-08-2017 02:58PM

No player is bigger than the team, that goes for all the players. You don't win AIs without being ruthless in selection.
Nice guys/managers/teams always finish second.
Sentimentality or picking players based on performances from long ago just won't cut it.
The replay against Roscommon will be make or break for a lot of Mayo players and the manager. Either they are made of the "right stuff" or they aint.

flasher0030 · 03-08-2017 03:14PM

Shurimgreat wrote: »

No player is bigger than the team, that goes for all the players. You don't win AIs without being ruthless in selection.
Nice guys/managers/teams always finish second.
Sentimentality or picking players based on performances from long ago just won't cut it.
The replay against Roscommon will be make or break for a lot of Mayo players and the manager. Either they are made of the "right stuff" or they aint.

That’s a lot of clichés. Well anyway, it’s a game of 2 halves, and won’t be over till the final whistle has sounded.
IF Mayo can get past Roscommon, any merit in trying something that Maughan (I think) did back in the day – stick a midfielder in full back (David Brady).
Could Rochford do same with Seamus O’Shea. And have Keegan and Parsons midfield, with A O’Shea loitering around for the kickouts. We’d obviously be losing height advantage at midfield, but it’s more of a running game these days anyway. Seamie’s ball skills might be a bit “raw” so close to our goal.

corny · 03-08-2017 03:36PM

Audioslaven wrote: »

Caff will work to a point but he will get turned over.... Rochford is not going to change now since he didn't change after the Cork game. He will do exactly the same as the last day and try to protect Caff with Higgins as sweeper. He is also hoping caff will improve, which will happen but to what degree is another question. This is probably ok for the moment (Roscommon game)

The problem arises if we beat Roscommon. Rochford has a habit of playing certain people on certain players and I think he will play a certain big player on KD. He did this last year on another game towards the end where he played AOS in the full back. This is very possible imo but one thing is for sure he will have to play a big bully type in the full back line to put manners on Donaghy. I hope that day comes and I would relish the sight of him on his arse.

I'm not being funny but is there a chance Keegan will mark Donaghy?

In every really important game for Mayo under Rochford Keegan has been detailed with marking the opposition danger man. I don't think anyone here would agree he should but is there a chance?

You don't need someone very tall for Donaghy (it helps of course). Just someone physically very strong. McMahon does well on him when we play them.

Mayo GAA Discussion - Part 3

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