Mayo GAA Discussion - Part 3

Squatman

Good suggestion corny, but it may be 2018 before that plan comes to action! LOL

Shurimgreat

flasher0030 wrote: »

That’s a lot of clich Well anyway, it’s a game of 2 halves, and won’t be over till the final whistle has sounded.
IF Mayo can get past Roscommon, any merit in trying something that Maughan (I think) did back in the day – stick a midfielder in full back (David Brady).
Could Rochford do same with Seamus O’Shea. And have Keegan and Parsons midfield, with A O’Shea loitering around for the kickouts. We’d obviously be losing height advantage at midfield, but it’s more of a running game these days anyway. Seamie’s ball skills might be a bit “raw” so close to our goal.

Every bit of it is true though. It isn't a game for nice guys. That's well known. All the All-Ireland winning teams are made up of ruthless players and ruthless managers.

Unfortunately Mayo had a reputation as being nice footballers. That's changed in recent years, but it still remains in one or two players.

The great fullbacks (Noel Tierney, Mick Lyons, etc) would go through a brick wall to get at the ball.

Do you think Ger Cafferkey is in the same mould as Mick Lyons? Of course he isn't or nowhere near it.

I agree though a midfielder on Donaghy or sweeping on front of him is required.

franklyon

Lee Keegan in castlebar hospital today from a somewhat dubious source. Leg infection so I heard

seligehgit

flasher0030 wrote: »

Was Ger Caff playing full back last Sunday. Obviously he number 3, but Harrison picked up D Murtagh, their no. 14. Who what from what I can recall positioned himself in the typical full forward position for most of the time. I didn't take note who Caff was picking up, but he spent a lot of the time outside of the full back territory.

Fair point re the positioning the last day but in general Ger Caff has played full back.Corny's thoughts re Leeroy doing a man marking job on Donaghy similar to that which he did on Sean Kavanagh is a great call.

No better man than Leeroy for such a task,he's got the physicality to deal with Donaghy whatever about the height.Would the sacrifice in terms of what he offers going forward be worth it?

Any thoughts re Brendan Harrison switching in to full back,he is an excellent corner back.He is certainly returning to the type of form he displayed last year.He's like a limpet,I'd hate to have him marking me.

keane2097

Christ almighty if I was a Mayo fan and they put Keegan full back on Donaghy I think I'd go into a dark room with a shotgun and a bottle of whiskey.

km79

keane2097 wrote: »

Christ almighty if I was a Mayo fan and they put Keegan full back on Donaghy I think I'd go into a dark room with a shotgun and a bottle of whiskey.

Well said !

km79

Maybe we could just rotate all 15 players full back ?
Give them 5 minutes a piece there ?

Nearly all of them have been suggested at this point anyway

flasher0030

Klitschko has retired from boxing today. He’ll have a bit of spare time in the coming weeks. Can mould him into a 7 foot full-back. Should be strong enough too.

SomethingElse

km79 wrote: »

Maybe we could just rotate all 15 players full back ?
Give them 5 minutes a piece there ?

Nearly all of them have been suggested at this point anyway

Surely Rochford should be full back. He'd have a perfect view of our defensive structure from there.

Seriously though, Cafferkey will be full back next day out. All this b******* and moaning about him being picked is doing no good for Mayo football and only placing more pressure on a player who has already been torn apart by the national media.

Oldtree

SomethingElse wrote: »

Surely Rochford should be full back. He'd have a perfect view of our defensive structure from there.

very good I'd love a go too as long as I didn't have to run.

Imo the best place to see how a defensive structure is working is from behind the goal. Even for players, things dosn't become obvious until viewed from there.

km79

Oldtree wrote: »

very good I'd love a go too as long as I didn't have to run.

Imo the best place to see how a defensive structure is working is from behind the goal. Even for players, things dosn't become obvious until viewed from there.

Just on this ..........
I have never liked Rochford sitting in the stand every single first half
I know he has a better view and all but I'd prefer the manager on the sideline
And we do start very slow ......

seligehgit

keane2097 wrote: »

Christ almighty if I was a Mayo fan and they put Keegan full back on Donaghy I think I'd go into a dark room with a shotgun and a bottle of whiskey.

Just curious as to your thoughts on how we could best set up to counteract the Donaghy threat,not expecting you to reveal any Kingdom state secrets?!:D Always interesting to get an outsiders pov.

Can't believe I'm even discussing this with a match still to be won on Monday

PARlance

seligehgit wrote: »

Any thoughts re Brendan Harrison switching in to full back,he is an excellent corner back.He is certainly returning to the type of form he displayed last year.He's like a limpet,I'd hate to have him marking me.

Sometimes the answer can be "staring" you in the face. Have been meaning to post something similar.

I do think Rochford will have a specific plan for Donaghy and I think it may involve a combination of Harrison and a big (bird) player.

Kerry will not get the time or space they got against Cork / Galway to be picking out balls to him. Our HB's will be keeping them on their toes.

That's if we get past the Rossies of course.

seligehgit

PARlance wrote: »

Sometimes the answer can be "staring" you in the face. Have been meaning to post something similar.

I do think Rochford will have a specific plan for Donaghy and I think it may involve a combination of Harrison and a big (bird) player.

Yeah a combo of Brendan Harrison and a certain big bird if he's back to full fitness is certainly a viable option.

MaroonAndGreen

All the Kerry semi final talk is making me uneasy. We are in a 50.50 game against Roscommon on Monday.

Shurimgreat

keane2097 wrote: »

Christ almighty if I was a Mayo fan and they put Keegan full back on Donaghy I think I'd go into a dark room with a shotgun and a bottle of whiskey.

I think the poster meant someone like Keegan, someone who is physical, in your face, makes life difficult for you and puts you off your game. Keegan does this brilliantly to Diarmuid Connolly and he did it to Cavanagh. Don't think full back would be his position myself. Its hard to expect Mayo to come up with a couple of Keegans, but we need a big strong full back who also has the ability to make life difficult for a full forward. Its not rocket science.
David Brady marked Donaghy out of the game when he came on in 2006. And yet he'd never played in that position before in his life.

Shurimgreat

MaroonAndGreen wrote: »

All the Kerry semi final talk is making me uneasy. We are in a 50.50 game against Roscommon on Monday.

Good point. But Roscommon will exploit the same weaknesses as Kerry. So if we don't fix them now, we won't be facing Kerry.
I think we can beat Roscommon if we fix a couple of issues on the team.

keane2097

seligehgit wrote: »

Just curious as to your thoughts on how we could best set up to counteract the Donaghy threat,not expecting you to reveal any Kingdom state secrets?!:D Always interesting to get an outsiders pov.

Can't believe I'm even discussing this with a match still to be won on Monday

If I was convinced he was the big problem I'd put Vaughan jumping with him and someone else waiting for him on the way down, Cafferkey would probably be fine for that.

If I was Mayo I'd be more interested in how you stop ball going into the FF line and what shape the attack is going to take though. Kerry have a lot of weapons, I can understand why you'd be worried about Donaghy but I guess if Fitzmaurice thought Rochford and co spent two weeks worrying about how to defend he would be fairly happy.

I think if Mayo managed to dominate breaking ball that would be the biggest thing - maybe Vaughan would be wasted full back then, if Keegan was full back Mayo would have no chance IMO.

Blackjack

keane2097 wrote: »

If I was convinced he was the big problem I'd put Vaughan jumping with him and someone else waiting for him on the way down, Cafferkey would probably be fine for that.

If I was Mayo I'd be more interested in how you stop ball going into the FF line and what shape the attack is going to take though. Kerry have a lot of weapons, I can understand why you'd be worried about Donaghy but I guess if Fitzmaurice thought Rochford and co spent two weeks worrying about how to defend he would be fairly happy.

I think if Mayo managed to dominate breaking ball that would be the biggest thing - maybe Vaughan would be wasted full back then, if Keegan was full back Mayo would have no chance IMO.

This. It's stopping the ball into him (Donaghy) that needs to be the priority. I'd be looking to concentrate on David Moran, stopping him either getting the ball or getting the ball away would be more important than concentrating all concern on Donaghy.

Mind you it's not as if Kerry don't have other players that could fill in if you manage to stop Moran. If Geaney gets the ball within sight of the posts you'd put good money on it going over.

keane2097

By the way I'm not 100% convinced about this idea that David Brady quietened Donaghy in 06!

keane2097

Blackjack wrote: »

This. It's stopping the ball into him (Donaghy) that needs to be the priority. I'd be looking to concentrate on David Moran, stopping him either getting the ball or getting the ball away would be more important than concentrating all concern on Donaghy.

Mind you it's not as if Kerry don't have other players that could fill in if you manage to stop Moran. If Geaney gets the ball within sight of the posts you'd put good money on it going over.

This is it. Even if you completely stymie Donaghy, what do you do if he's taken off at half time and all of a sudden Vaughan or whoever is left inside on Geaney?

I think the way to beat Kerry is to get them facing the other way, you need Keegan, Durcan, Boyle destroying the half forward line going forward and a mobile midfield (which might include Vaughan) worrying David and whoever is alongside him.

seligehgit

keane2097 wrote: »

By the way I'm not 100% convinced about this idea that David Brady quietened Donaghy in 06!

That's a bit of fallacy,he plugged a hole in the dam after all the damage was done.Nothing more.

Dyr

keane2097 wrote: »

Christ almighty if I was a Mayo fan and they put Keegan full back on Donaghy I think I'd go into a dark room with a shotgun and a bottle of whiskey.

Water pistol and a bottle of whiskey, go out slow.

keane2097

Bambi wrote: »

Water pistol and a bottle of whiskey, go out slow.

I tried water boarding after a night in Coppers one time, it wasn't for me. My style would be more to blaze out like a dying Star.

Dyr

keane2097 wrote: »

I tried water boarding after a night in Coppers one time, it wasn't for me. My style would be more to blaze out like a dying Star.

you're not going to be filling the pistol with water...

Why do i even have to explain this

keane2097

Bambi wrote: »

you're not going to be filling the pistol with water...

Why do i even have to explain this

Probably because of the shotgun.

Oldtree

At this stage I think we should pull everyone back and do a block defence for the first 15 minutes and thereafter revert to our more open style of play.

Roscommon will come screaming off the blocks again with another "tactic", we need to nullify that for the first while and just let them run themselves ragged, then do what we do.... Mr Rochfords cunning plan

Syferus

Oldtree wrote: »

At this stage I think we should pull everyone back and do a block defence for the first 15 minutes and thereafter revert to our more open style of play.

Roscommon will come screaming off the blocks again with another "tactic", we need to nullify that for the first while and just let them run themselves ragged, then do what we do.... Mr Rochfords cunning plan

I thought you were playing Kerry.

Squatman

franklyon wrote: »

Lee Keegan in castlebar hospital today from a somewhat dubious source. Leg infection so I heard

Id say so alright. was your dubious source from roscommon?

km79

Syferus wrote: »

I thought you were playing Kerry.

No that's not for another 2 weeks
First of all we are beating ye on Monday
Hope that clears it up for you
Enjoy the bank holiday weekend until Monday