Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2017

jayo26 · 01-08-2017 09:32AM

bangkok wrote: »

He plays more forward passes and his average pass distance is higher than matic

As ye all told me yesterday stats don't mean anything. When I pointed out that Matic was creating and assisting with his passes it didn't matter what he did with them.

His pass length was point one of a meter longer then Matic.

jayo26 · 01-08-2017 09:34AM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

I find it insane Carrick's passing is being questioned.

I would have thought his passing would be an attribute no one disagreed on, that he is/was a great passer. Maybe not Pirlo or Scholes, but you don't have to be at their level to be a great passer.

If Carrick wasn't a great passer, imo, he'd have had little place in the United side imo.

I dont think anyone is questioning him and I'm definitely not I just said that Matic was a better passer in my opinion.

Mitch Connor · 01-08-2017 09:35AM

jayo26 wrote: »

As ye all told me yesterday stats don't mean anything. When I pointed out that Matic was creating and assisting with his passes it didn't matter what he did with them.

His pass length was point one of a meter longer then Matic.

When Carrick played, he played in a deep defensive midfield position. He played in a team that had a very notable problem in finishing chances, all season.

Matic played in a more advanced position. In a more attacking side. That scored more goals.

It was considerably easier for Matic to up his assist stats.

Maybe I will be surprised, but I don't believe Matic is a better passer than Carrick was, regardless of what statistics might say.

bangkok · 01-08-2017 09:36AM

jayo26 wrote: »

As ye all told me yesterday stats don't mean anything. When I pointed out that Matic was creating and assisting with his passes it didn't matter what he did with them.

His pass length was point one of a meter longer then Matic.

Were those stats based on last season??

Trigger · 01-08-2017 09:37AM

jayo26 wrote: »

I dont think anyone is questioning him and I'm definitely not I just said that Matic was a better passer in my opinion.

I think Matic would be more of a risk taker than Carrick tbh and he does have a good passing range and I personally think that he is an exceptional passer. If you look back I have said that before.. I personally would have him on par with Carrick as a passer, so that would obviously mean that Carrick is an exceptional passer too but that's just IMO.

bangkok · 01-08-2017 09:39AM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Keane was a far superior passer of the ball then any United player of PL era other then Scholes. Keane "right pass" all the time was exceptionally high.

I agree with you by the way. Every pass keane made was the right one, xavi the same but yet some use carricks short game as a stick to beat him with

Giggsy11 · 01-08-2017 09:41AM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Keane was a far superior passer of the ball then any United player of PL era other then Scholes. Keane "right pass" all the time was exceptionally high.

Beckham's passing ability is very underrated. What a crisp passer he was, both short and long, from center or wide.

Kerrydude1981 · 01-08-2017 09:43AM

Happy with the Matic signing,he should be a good solid addition to the team and squad

Been watching clips of this Aurier lad thats been linked with a move to OT,he looks like an all action RB.

Trigger · 01-08-2017 09:44AM

Kerrydude1981 wrote: »

Happy with the Matic signing,he should be a good solid addition to the team and squad

Been watching clips of this Aurier lad,he looks like an all action RB.

Just don't watch his periscope

bangkok · 01-08-2017 09:47AM

Giggsy11 wrote: »

Beckham's passing ability is very underrated. What a crisp passer he was, both short and long, from center or wide.

Ah dont think it was now, becks was world class, probably the best crosser of a ball in the history of the game with passing to match

Adamocovic · 01-08-2017 09:55AM

Giggsy11 wrote: »

Beckham's passing ability is very underrated. What a crisp passer he was, both short and long, from center or wide.

Beckham? Just a good looking version of Chadwick!

beno619 · 01-08-2017 10:01AM

bangkok wrote: »

Would like to see fosu mensah play cup games and a few league games at rb to cover valencia with a view for him to be our rb for the next 10 years

How has he performed during pre season ?
He utterly underwhelmed me last season and just doesn't look a wide player.

beno619 · 01-08-2017 10:08AM

bangkok wrote: »

Ah dont think it was now, becks was world class, probably the best crosser of a ball in the history of the game with passing to match

Ah his passing was exceptional which was highlighted when he moved to a more central position at the end of his career.

I honestly cant believe were there are disagreements about Carricks passing ability, yes at times he could have been more direct but there's no question his ability to pick out a man when he tries to.

01-08-2017 10:14AM

Giggsy11 wrote: »

Beckham's passing ability is very underrated. What a crisp passer he was, both short and long, from center or wide.

I wouldn't say he was underrated for passing, more so in general.
Ultimately he had sublime accuracy and pace at which he passed long and short but some people questioned some of his other attributes and nit picked at him for that reason. Also his temperament at times probably irked certain people.

bangkok · 01-08-2017 10:16AM

beno619 wrote: »

How has he performed during pre season ?
He utterly underwhelmed me last season and just doesn't look a wide player.

Did very well against real madrid anyway.

Spurs away under van gaal he played there and was exceptional. That game for me was the one that said he could be our rb for years. Would much rather give him his chance there rather than buy aurier and he come in and be a sort of balottelli type player

Adamocovic · 01-08-2017 10:24AM

While we're talking about Becks why not take a trip down memory lane.
We should have a dedicated day for nostalgic videos and pictures of former players, matches and moments.

The_Kew_Tour · 01-08-2017 10:28AM

bangkok wrote: »

I agree with you by the way. Every pass keane made was the right one, xavi the same but yet some use carricks short game as a stick to beat him with

That's fair enough.

I don't want to come across as bashing Carrick. He was vital player for us and even I underappreciated him at times till he was missing and you see what he brought to the team.

I dont have any problem with him playing safe passes, its sure better then playing risky ones and I always thought he showed great maturity and had great head on him. Mentally very few were better then Carrick, but I think to say he was a Super passer(even comparing it to Matic) is not something I agree with. I respect your opinion though

adox · 01-08-2017 10:30AM

beno619 wrote: »

How has he performed during pre season ?
He utterly underwhelmed me last season and just doesn't look a wide player.

Hi is all pace power an muscle but his ball control and decision making still lets him down.

Hes like a poor version of Valencia at the moment when playing RB. I dont think hes anywhere near ready to fill that role on a regular basis.

The_Kew_Tour · 01-08-2017 10:31AM

Giggsy11 wrote: »

Beckham's passing ability is very underrated. What a crisp passer he was, both short and long, from center or wide.

hmm you got me thinking now about having Keane ahead of him.

I can sure now see argument for him being ahead. I should have been clear in my comment when I suggested more CM positions then out wide, but ya Beckham could pick out a 2p coin from across the field. Nobody could ever touch him for a long pass, cross or freekick.

Mitch Connor · 01-08-2017 10:33AM

adox wrote: »

Hi is all pace power an muscle but his ball control and decision making still lets him down.

Hes like a poor version of Valencia at the moment when playing RB. I dont think hes anywhere near ready to fill that role on a regular basis.

I just don't think he will ever be a right back. Centre back, maybe DM, can't see another role for him - either at United or elsewhere.

Getting played at right back because he has (a) played in defence and is (b) right footed. I don't see any other main reasons for it.

Giggsy11 · 01-08-2017 10:34AM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

hmm you got me thinking now about having Keane ahead of him.

I can sure now see argument for him being ahead. I should have been clear in my comment when I suggested more CM positions then out wide, but ya Beckham could pick out a 2p coin from across the field. Nobody could ever touch him for a long pass, cross or freekick.

we had such a great team, all capable of playing superb passes.

Yeah Keane's passing was such a joy to watch, inch perfect and the receiving player didn't have to break his stride.

bangkok · 01-08-2017 10:35AM

Adamocovic wrote: »

While we're talking about Becks why not take a trip down memory lane.
We should have a dedicated day for nostalgic videos and pictures of former players, matches and moments.

He was some striker of a football. One of my favourite players at united.

They didnt show his goal against west ham away in that clip. If you want to see a deft touch of a ball, look at his chip v west ham. First touch on the run, pure class

01-08-2017 10:37AM

Carrick did and still can create good opportunities with his passing. His long low passes to the likes of Rooney and RVP's feet through were great at a time when United struggled to create through the middle.

pjohnson · 01-08-2017 10:43AM

If we lumber ourselves with Aurier hopefully we have a good loan move ready for TFM.

bangkok · 01-08-2017 10:44AM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

I just don't think he will ever be a right back. Centre back, maybe DM, can't see another role for him - either at United or elsewhere.

Getting played at right back because he has (a) played in defence and is (b) right footed. I don't see any other main reasons for it.

Same reasons gary neville played rb. Didnt turn out too bad for him..

Giggsy11 · 01-08-2017 10:47AM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

I just don't think he will ever be a right back. Centre back, maybe DM, can't see another role for him - either at United or elsewhere.

Getting played at right back because he has (a) played in defence and is (b) right footed. I don't see any other main reasons for it.

Way too early to judge. He was CB/DM in youth teams but shifted to RB when Van Gaal played him. So he is very new to the position and still learning.

bucketybuck · 01-08-2017 10:51AM

beno619 wrote: »

yes at times he could have been more direct but there's no question his ability to pick out a man when he tries to.

But that was the point made, that he had the ability but never made the fullest use of it, he never tried to nearly enough.

Those low, long passes to the feet of Rooney or RVP were great but we never seen enough of them, we were far more likely to see him give the ball to Scholes to let him take the responsibility instead. And especially in his early years at the club thats exactly what it was, passing the buck instead of the ball.

Its easy to call Carrick a great passer of the ball and point to smart and efficient recycling of the ball in midfield, retaining the ball and controlling the pace of the game. Which is all well and good to an extent. But he had the ability to offer a lot more from a creative sense and it would have made a huge difference had he done so.

TheDoc · 01-08-2017 10:52AM

bucketybuck wrote: »

I've seen a few people say now that they thought Mikhitaryan was good in the second half of last season, am I the only one that thinks the opposite?

He had a good spell when he finally broke into the team but I was very disappointed with him as the season went on, at a time when we could have done with big performances I thought he was very ineffective. Similar to Mata in many ways, looked good at times but never a player that was going to drag the team kicking and screaming to victories.

I gave him a pass last season, time to settle and all that, but that excuse is gone now and he really needs to step up or ship out.

He was woefully disappointing last season. But he did have some niggly injuries and horrendous mismanagement from Mourinho, unless you are in the camp thinking it was a masterclass in man management.

Mhiki was so sporadic and ineffective throughout I'd say it was just a shellshock in terms of adjustment and the injuries didn't help.

He did show enough in the Europa league against piss opposition to show he has much more to do and show.

So I'm hoping a settled season where he is put in his strongest position (clearly centrally) and where he understands the team and Jose better(he was being played in some ridiculous positions last season) will be a more productive season.

TheDoc · 01-08-2017 11:00AM

bangkok wrote: »

Xavi and Pirlo are probably 2 of the best passers of all time. Carrick was a bit below their level but was still a class act and one was still one of the best passers in europe and probably the best in england for a few years.

Matic was never and will never be anywhere near as good as carrick was

That is a gross exaggeration of Carricks ability to be honest. He is starting to get to Scholes level of inflation. I don't understand why it is fans just spin myths and overblow a players ability as they come to the end of their career.

Carrick had a wonderful instinct of looking to pass forward first, but his passing was above average, but nowhere near special. He recycled as much as anyone else, and every now and then would hit a lovely long range pass setting someone in on goal or down a flank.

Personally, I've seen Blind be more productive and talented with his passing during his brief stint at DM, at CB and LB. It's why I just don't get why I'm constantly alone calling for Blind to figure more, he's just a better player then Carrick at the time the pair have been teammates, but then if people have that sort of mythical opinion on Carrick there really is no debate.

Mitch Connor · 01-08-2017 11:16AM

TheDoc wrote: »

That is a gross exaggeration of Carricks ability to be honest. He is starting to get to Scholes level of inflation. I don't understand why it is fans just spin myths and overblow a players ability as they come to the end of their career.

Carrick had a wonderful instinct of looking to pass forward first, but his passing was above average, but nowhere near special. He recycled as much as anyone else, and every now and then would hit a lovely long range pass setting someone in on goal or down a flank.

Personally, I've seen Blind be more productive and talented with his passing during his brief stint at DM, at CB and LB. It's why I just don't get why I'm constantly alone calling for Blind to figure more, he's just a better player then Carrick at the time the pair have been teammates, but then if people have that sort of mythical opinion on Carrick there really is no debate.

Like your opinion on Blind.

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