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Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2017

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  • #6182
    jayo26
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,779 ✭✭✭✭jayo26


    Probably our most important signing of the summer just been announced so lets just nit pick at each other's arguments for two two game bans. To put it into perspective you would get 3 games for delibrety elbowing a player or other violent conduct.


  • #6183
    KombuchaMshroom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 792 ✭✭✭KombuchaMshroom


    How have we finally, finally signed a DM, yet spent most of the last page actually indulging in this nonsense argument (that i honestly thought was a joke until I saw the follow ups) of whether or not Jones and Blind should be sacked!

    Where are the Kate and Rachel gifs!??


  • #6184
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 7,639 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I was late catching up with last night's game. Great to see Fellaini get a start, goal and huge backing from his manager in the midst of reports of him being sold for £10m.

    Fellaini mightn't be in our regular first eleven when everyone's fit and available, but he's a player who Mourinho clearly likes and trusts and it's great to hear Jose rubbish the reports of him departing for Galatasaray.

    I love the below gif, reminds me of the time last season when Fellaini scored after recently getting booed by some United fans, and Mourinho hung out of him in the goal celebrations.

    https://twitter.com/omomani/status/891953639769722881


  • #6185
    TheDoc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,140 ✭✭✭✭TheDoc


    Mitch Connor wrote: »
    Just came to mind when I saw the contract....

    Financially, in terms of accounting, a player price is spread over the length of their contract (options not included, iirc). So at 35million matic is 11.6 or something like that per season.

    From an accountancy perspective, we could have signed Dier at 55million on a five year contract for what would be considered the same money.

    I'm not saying its that simple in reality, or we shouldn't have signed Matic, or that we could have even got Dier for 55 - but just something I found briefly interesting when looking at the (quite reasonable in todays market) 35million, and then saw it was a 3 year contract.

    Don't know if you are an accountant by trade or were reading some of the same stuff as me lately :D

    I got lost in a web of papers on how footballers are now assets with associated revenues, and their wages being filed as operating expenses and just basically how all that is reported. Was pretty interesting but also pretty ridiculously complicated, but I imagine it's done that way to twist figures to the public or something or there might be some form of loopholes.


  • #6186
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,331 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    jayo26 wrote: »
    Probably our most important signing of the summer just been announced so lets just nit pick at each other's arguments for two two game bans. To put it into perspective you would get 3 games for delibrety elbowing a player or other violent conduct.

    Gotta love this thread lol.


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  • #6187
    The_Kew_Tour
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,810 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    Christ being in a room with yourself, a cup and watching Jones go to the Toilet.

    Knowing Jones he probably took a detour and the poor tester got a shower.

    EVENFLOW



  • #6188
    Giggsy11
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,521 ✭✭✭Giggsy11


    35 million plus 5 million in addons is a good deal. We have very good midfield now.


  • #6189
    Mitch Connor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,397 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    TheDoc wrote: »
    Don't know if you are an accountant by trade or were reading some of the same stuff as me lately :D

    I got lost in a web of papers on how footballers are now assets with associated revenues, and their wages being filed as operating expenses and just basically how all that is reported. Was pretty interesting but also pretty ridiculously complicated, but I imagine it's done that way to twist figures to the public or something or there might be some form of loopholes.

    Not an accountant (or numbers smart!) myself, no.

    I don't think the practices are any hidden voodoo though - I think the players and costs are accounted for the same way any big business accounts for large acquisitions of fixed assets. I think everything is done to a standard so that one club can be viewed against another, and vs 'normal' companies. I would have to think clubs that are on the stock market, for example, have strict guidelines on their reporting, and that other clubs are regulated to follow that model by the governing bodies of their country.


  • #6190
    Mitch Connor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,397 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    Giggsy11 wrote: »
    35 million plus 5 million in addons is a good deal. We have very good midfield now.

    Yep, on paper it is looking very good. There are still issues, but most clubs have issues so you have to accept that. No club is perfect.

    Most of Jose's signings so far have had a big impact on the side. Mkhitaryan was patchey but improving last season. Have to imagine Matic will be a key component of the side and hope Lindelof will prove that too. Mourinho is certainly looking at buying first team players, rather than squad players.

    Looking forward to seeing that midfield now.

    Knowing my luck the first choice midfield will be Matic, Pogba and Fellaini though!


  • #6191
    Cookie_Dough
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,830 ✭✭✭Cookie_Dough


    Finally a DM!
    :)

    https://twitter.com/ManUtd/status/892044719592787968


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  • #6192
    Crimson King
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,181 ✭✭✭Crimson King


    jayo26 wrote: »
    Probably our most important signing of the summer just been announced so lets just nit pick at each other's arguments for two two game bans. To put it into perspective you would get 3 games for delibrety elbowing a player or other violent conduct.

    Came on here to make this very point, my God I'm so happy. An actual honest to goodness DM signed and i cannot wait until the new season.


  • #6193
    Mitch Connor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,397 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    In fairness, I thought Blind, especially Schneiderlin and, to a lesser extent, Schweinsteiger would help solve that midfield issue! 3 times bitten....


  • #6194
    Ninthlife
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,523 ✭✭✭Ninthlife


    I think Im more surprised Jones didnt get injured whilst having the drugs test. Maybe he injured the tester

    Glad to see Matic done, think he will be a good signing for United. Still think they might sign one more


  • #6195
    jayo26
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,779 ✭✭✭✭jayo26


    By the way Mitch it's an initial 3 year contract so I'm guessing its like most of the other contracts we signed recently and we have the option of an extra year which would make it four years.

    I think it's a very good deal all round the bit of transfer talks with Chelsea have got the price down for him.


  • #6196
    ericzeking
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,762 ✭✭✭ericzeking


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I dont know though like, could you imagine usain bolt being pulled in straight after he won an olympic gold medal to do a drugs test instead of getting to do a few laps of honour there would be uproar about it.

    I'm not sure of the timeline of events but players should be given time to enjoy winning a cup win.

    If it happened after a reasonable amount of time mind its silly. Its silly anyways I guess but I could understand if they werent given reasonable time

    I don't know about athletics but I do know about another sport with an bad rep in cycling and the stage winner goes to doping control prior to going to the podium which happens not long after, it's not actually that big a deal.

    I'm a bit meh about the Matic signing, another big strong Jose signing.


  • #6197
    Mitch Connor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,397 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    jayo26 wrote: »
    By the way Mitch it's an initial 3 year contract so I'm guessing its like most of the other contracts we signed recently and we have the option of an extra year which would make it four years.

    I think it's a very good deal all round the bit of transfer talks with Chelsea have got the price down for him.

    Yeah, there is an option for a 4th. But from an accountancy perspective (like anyone cares!) I don't think the 4th year is used from an amortisation perspective, as it isn't contractually certain to take place. I could be wrong though.

    I agree on the price, a very good one in todays market.


  • #6198
    JamboMac
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,953 ✭✭✭JamboMac


    How many more players will be banned for the super cup, how come we can't do a Madrid/Barcelona job and ignore the rules, all this is very convenient for Madrid.

    Only Phil jones could get banned without playing.


  • #6199
    fatherted1969
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,452 ✭✭✭fatherted1969


    To be fair to Mourinho his signings so far have been spot on so I'm sure he knows the strengths that Matic brings to his team. Starting to look very much like a Mourinho side now. Won't be seeing Matic go past the half way line much I'd imagine


  • #6200
    Nalz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,060 ✭✭✭✭Nalz


    fatherted1969 wrote: »
    To be fair to Mourinho his signings so far have been spot on so I'm sure he knows the strengths that Matic brings to his team. Starting to look very much like a Mourinho side now. Won't be seeing Matic go past the half way line much I'd imagine

    Agreed...not sure on the next signing though being a winger.


  • #6201
    jacool
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,768 ✭✭✭jacool


    JamboMac wrote: »
    How many more players will be banned for the super cup, how come we can't do a Madrid/Barcelona job and ignore the rules, all this is very convenient for Madrid.

    Only Phil jones could get banned without playing.

    Surely not playing meant he could have pissed at the drop of a hat.
    I'd be sympathetic to Blind especially if he was dehydrated, but Jones ??


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  • #6202
    jayo26
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,779 ✭✭✭✭jayo26


    sd_Rx8_Zp.gif

    Love transfer news :):)


  • #6203
    Jayop
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,377 ✭✭✭✭Jayop


    fatherted1969 wrote: »
    To be fair to Mourinho his signings so far have been spot on so I'm sure he knows the strengths that Matic brings to his team. Starting to look very much like a Mourinho side now. Won't be seeing Matic go past the half way line much I'd imagine

    Exactly. He's very good in the market and rarely picks up a dud when he's the one picking the players.

    Bailly - Excellent at a very good price
    Zlatan - Excellent on a free
    Pogba - Excellent, starting to look like a great pricve given the market changes.
    Mkhitaryan - Took a while to settle but really started to shine late last season. Good price.

    Lindeloff - Worried about him in preseason but was well scouted so I'm open minded.
    Lukaku - Excellent player, as close to guaranteed goals as you can get, expensive but reasonable.
    Matic - Wouldn't have been my choice, but he knows him so well. Expensive enough.


    From those 7 players Jose has signed, he's worked with 3 of them before so I'm confident of them being very good.


  • #6204
    brinty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,333 ✭✭✭brinty


    jayo26 wrote: »
    Love transfer news :):)

    Jayo... is that SFW and the thread....

    BTW god bless the lovely Haley..


  • #6205
    wanderer100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,054 ✭✭✭wanderer100


    I think we have done very clever business this summer. Been a slow one but we've managed to cop great players in the positions we need. With Matic in now, the team will look very much like a Jose team.

    I think Jose will be satisfied with this summers business. We probably will be spending the rest of the window with our foot in the water monitoring situations like Sanchez and Neymar and if the opportunity presents itself we'll take it but if not , I don't think Jose will be upset


  • #6206
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,331 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    jayo26 wrote: »
    sd_Rx8_Zp.gif

    Love transfer news :):)

    I thought we used Upton/Riley. Whos that?


  • #6207
    brinty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,333 ✭✭✭brinty


    pjohnson wrote: »
    I thought we used Upton/Riley. Whos that?

    how dare you not know the beautiful Haley McQueen, daughter of United legend Gordon... learn your history son....

    and also don't forget other members Kendrick, Johannsen and Lawrence..


  • #6208
    0gac3yjefb5sv7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,945 ✭✭✭0gac3yjefb5sv7


    Jones probably missed the cup but got his head to it.


  • #6209
    HONKEY TONK
    Closed Accounts Posts: 779 ✭✭✭HONKEY TONK


    Anyone know how good Serge Aurier is? I know nothing about him


  • #6210
    bangkok
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,638 ✭✭✭✭bangkok


    HONKEY TONK wrote: »
    Anyone know how good Serge Aurier is? I know nothing about him

    not as good as tony V


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  • #6211
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 7,639 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    HONKEY TONK wrote: »
    Anyone know how good Serge Aurier is? I know nothing about him

    There were some posts about him a few pages back...

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057755243&page=401


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