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Zzippy · 31-07-2017 01:14PM

Buer wrote: »

For consecutive suspensions relating to banned substances, he should be looking at a life time ban in my mind and the suspensions given were lenient enough. But I realise that UFC/MMA are hardly far more lenient than other sports including rugby which I suspect has a dirty sub-culture that is completely under the radar.

An interesting article this morning regarding doping in GAA. On two separate occasions, samples that were en route to testing labs with couriers were lost.

Perhaps more damning is the fact that intercounty players from multiple counties were unavailable for testing in the past year despite testing schedules being agreed months in advance.

Link? Sounds interesting...

stephen_n · 31-07-2017 01:26PM

Erik Shin wrote: »

Nobody will give him a license for a start, his mental health issues will keep that so.
Maybe in the future he can try for a Nevada license , and then he will get a ban.
He has retired, he's not needed by boxing...which is very important...can't see it happening at all, but only time will tell

Call me cynical, but I reckon if the moneys right, anything can and does happen. It's not like there are many heavy weights around at the moment that can put bums on seats. I pretty much thought the mental health issue, was just a ploy to get off the doping charge, but maybe not.

Buer · 31-07-2017 01:26PM

Zzippy wrote: »

Link? Sounds interesting...

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaa-doping-probe-launched-as-two-samples-vanish-on-way-to-laboratory-35983032.html

Zzippy · 31-07-2017 01:38PM

Buer wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaa-doping-probe-launched-as-two-samples-vanish-on-way-to-laboratory-35983032.html

Cheers. I know of county training being switched at last minute on many occasions due to waterlogged pitches, or the club didn't bother to cut the grass, or even forgot to open the club so no one could get in!

CatFromHue · 31-07-2017 01:39PM

Wow, Westmeath have a hurling team!

Buer · 31-07-2017 02:08PM

Zzippy wrote: »

Cheers. I know of county training being switched at last minute on many occasions due to waterlogged pitches, or the club didn't bother to cut the grass, or even forgot to open the club so no one could get in!

No doubt that happens. But for it to happen and no county official to notify the anti-doping officials whatsoever for a scheduled visit is dubious at best.

irishbucsfan · 31-07-2017 02:15PM

I personally know of a professional in another very high profile sport who went two years without being tested once. And supposedly the anti-doping officials would come in on some match days and set up everything and leave without taking a sample from anyone on the team. And WADA have lost a bunch of respect from athletes after leaking very personal data to cyber criminals, which won't help the process. I'm fairly sure there's some very suspicious things that go on in lots of different sports, from the biggest professional sports in the world to large amateur sports like GAA down to, I'm sure, very small amateur sports.

Zzippy · 31-07-2017 02:30PM

Buer wrote: »

No doubt that happens. But for it to happen and no county official to notify the anti-doping officials whatsoever for a scheduled visit is dubious at best.

Well it certainly is an amateur sport! In fairness though, I have experience at that level - hurling in a small county like that - and county teams can struggle to find a training pitch, many clubs don't want their pitch used and don't put in the effort to have a pitch ready. A last minute switch - it's often just finding a pitch is the priority and remembering to inform the ISC wouldn't register I'm sure. It's not as if the testers wouldn't have contact numbers and could ring them when they arrive to an empty venue too - the testing regime might have more respect if communication was two-way.

awec · 31-07-2017 08:15PM

Scaramucci gone now.

Trump is one grade A clown. Wouldn't even get a job with the IRFU.

Stheno · 31-07-2017 08:17PM

awec wrote: »

Scaramucci gone now.

.

Wife files for divorce due to dislike of Trump,Has a child born, congratulates wife by text and loses job all in the space of twn days

Not to mention the interview

31-07-2017 08:17PM

awec wrote: »

Scaramucci gone now.

Trump is one grade A clown. Wouldn't even get a job with the IRFU.

What can you even say at this stage.

stephen_n · 31-07-2017 08:27PM

awec wrote: »

Scaramucci gone now.

Trump is one grade A clown. Wouldn't even get a job with the IRFU.

Kevin Myers is loooking for a job, would fit right in with Trump.

I wonder will Trump quit within the first year of his Presidency.

31-07-2017 08:32PM

stephen_n wrote: »

Kevin Myers is loooking for a job, would fit right in with Trump.

I wonder will Trump quit within the first year of his Presidency.

His ego would never let him.

sydthebeat · 31-07-2017 09:17PM

If you lay with dogs......

mfceiling · 31-07-2017 09:33PM

stephen_n wrote: »

I wonder will Trump quit within the first year of his Presidency.

He's that stupid he'll probably fire himself.

stephen_n · 01-08-2017 01:26PM

Emilee Bitter Ginseng wrote: »

His ego would never let him.

Oh but that's exactly why he would do it, he will blame everyone else for his failings, point to all the non existent victories, claim he did a great job and go before he is pushed.

01-08-2017 01:30PM

stephen_n wrote: »

Oh but that's exactly why he would do it, he will blame everyone else for his failings, point to all the non existent victories, claim he did a great job and go before he is pushed.

There needs to be some feasibly prospect of him being pushed for this to happen.

stephen_n · 01-08-2017 01:35PM

Emilee Bitter Ginseng wrote: »

There needs to be some feasibly prospect of him being pushed for this to happen.

I think most commentators seem to agree that's not a case of if, but when.

irishbucsfan · 01-08-2017 01:43PM

If you're counting on Trump being pushed then you're also counting on the Republican Party growing a pair of bollocks. That might be a very long wait.

01-08-2017 01:51PM

stephen_n wrote: »

I think most commentators seem to agree that's not a case of if, but when.

You need two thirds of the Senate to vote in favour of impeachment to remove a president, before that it needs to get through the house. It's a Republican controlled congress (for now at least), just isn't going to happen imo.

Buer · 01-08-2017 01:53PM

Unless the Russian thing really blows up (and it might), Trump isn't going anywhere. Even at that, I'm not sure anything will happen unless the Democrats get control of the houses and have an opportunity to drive any impeachment process forward. The House of Representatives have to initiate the impeachment by majority vote and the GOP currently possess 240 of the 435 seats.

No POTUS has ever been removed from office in history. I don't see that changing in the next 36 months or so.

Edit: What IO said.

stephen_n · 01-08-2017 02:02PM

No president has ever had so little support inside his own party either. Most republicans would like to see him gone, they just need and adequate excuse for their voters.

01-08-2017 02:09PM

stephen_n wrote: »

No president has ever had so little support inside his own party either. Most republicans would like to see him gone, they just need and adequate excuse for their voters.

His job approval rating has been rock solid in the 80%'s among Republicans. The politicians aren't going to want him gone when he represents their best chance at advancing their agenda. He seemed totally hands off in the health care debate for example, McConnell + a few cronies wrote the whole bill. Why would he want Trump gone when Trump just stays out of his way?

http://www.gallup.com/poll/203198/presidential-approval-ratings-donald-trump.aspx

Buer · 01-08-2017 02:11PM

stephen_n wrote: »

No president has ever had so little support inside his own party either. Most republicans would like to see him gone, they just need and adequate excuse for their voters.

It's not a matter of support. It's a matter of him being the Republican president and that takes precedence above all.

If they remove Trump, it might be what people want but it will essentially throw in the towel. Pence will go into power for the remainder of his tenure but they'll lose both houses in the mid-terms (after ostracising the still fairly significant Trump support) and be decimated in the 2020 election.

I would think, from a party perspective, they're as happy to shut their eyes and wish this all away for 3 more years.

Podge_irl · 01-08-2017 02:15PM

Whatever my opinion of Trump I'd be somewhat uncomfortable with the idea of removing a legitimately elected president on the basis of essentially politics - and by a body with significantly lower approval ratings in general.

Unless it's shown he has committed a crime (which I don't think is implausible) then I wouldn't want to see him pushed.

Buer · 01-08-2017 02:17PM

Podge_irl wrote: »

Whatever my opinion of Trump I'd be somewhat uncomfortable with the idea of removing a legitimately elected president on the basis of essentially politics - and by a body with significantly lower approval ratings in general.

Unless it's shown he has committed a crime (which I don't think is implausible) then I wouldn't want to see him pushed.

Clinton was impeached on the basis of perjury and obstruction of justice. I would say there's a solid case for both being applicable to Trump already. But without control of the houses, it's a non-runner.

Podge_irl · 01-08-2017 02:22PM

Which was essentially political bull****. That aside he committed perjury because he lied to a congressional committee (I think). Something trump hasn't done. Lying itself is not a crime.

molloyjh · 01-08-2017 02:23PM

stephen_n wrote: »

Oh but that's exactly why he would do it, he will blame everyone else for his failings, point to all the non existent victories, claim he did a great job and go before he is pushed.

For Trump to blame people for his failings he'd first need to identify and admit to there being failings. He seems incapable of that. Everything is fantastic, incredible, the best ever etc. If anything the entire exercise is becoming a fascinating psychological experiment. Just how long can Trump keep it going and if he can't how will it all unfold?

Essentially we're talking about a man whose entire existence seems to be underpinned by a need to believe that he's the best and that everything he touches turns to gold. And that's been made possible in business because he doesn't come in for as much scrutiny. But now that every move he makes is watched, every mistake blown up (and sometimes out of proportion) how is he equipped to be able to manage that? Is he equipped to be able to manage that? Can he really ride the storm out or will he crack?

01-08-2017 02:24PM

Podge_irl wrote: »

Which was essentially political bull****. That aside he committed perjury because he lied to a congressional committee (I think). Something trump hasn't done. Lying itself is not a crime.

Lying to congress absolutely is a crime in the US.

irishbucsfan · 01-08-2017 02:24PM

Agreed Podge. Democrats need to remember that democracy is asset insurance. The mob who put Trump in power will become even more radicalised if he is sniped.

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