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Kevin Myers, jew've just been erased

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  • #32
    The_Valeyard
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    Collie D wrote: »
    Hardly surprising. He hates everyone so the Jews were probably due to get his ire one day.

    Didn't he post here once upon a time?

    Right wing, misogynyst, unionist, snob and all round arsehole.

    So next in line for chief wizard of the orange order?


  • #33
    branie2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,372 ✭✭✭✭branie2


    He also has a lot to say about Michael Collins, but not in a positive way


  • #34
    [Deleted User]
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    Phoebas wrote: »
    It was stereotyping, but it was hardly anti-semitic.
    Pro-Semitic if anything, something along the lines that Jews wouldn't sell themselves short.

    Why he felt the need to introduce Jews into that article at all I don't understand, but ... Kevin Myers.

    Ah it is, it feeds back into the stereotype of jews being money grubbing shysters


  • #35
    The_Valeyard
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    riffmongous wrote: »
    Ah it is, it feeds back into the stereotype of jews being money grubbing shysters

    And everyone knows they hire people on low wages for that.



    Is that a bad joke or anti-Semitism


  • #36
    [Deleted User]
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    Phoebas wrote: »
    It was stereotyping, but it was hardly anti-semitic.
    Pro-Semitic if anything, something along the lines that Jews wouldn't sell themselves short.

    Why he felt the need to introduce Jews into that article at all I don't understand, but ... Kevin Myers.

    It's surely only pro in the sense of David Brent believing he was praising black people with his "bigger than a bread bin" joke.

    It's preying on a stereotype. No one is supposed to read of Shylock and think he was a shrewd investor.


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  • #37
    Annasopra
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    Zillah wrote: »
    I'm not sure I even understand him. Is he arguing that holocaust is a poor choice of title for what happened...? Seems ludicrously misleading to say "The holocaust never happened....because it should have a different name..." Like, what?

    It's almost as if he was just being controversial for the sake of it...

    Does anyone have a link to the latest offending article?

    Yep. A troll. That he is.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #38
    Yourself isit
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    GLaDOS wrote: »
    It's kinda like the DUP getting loads of attention over in England all of a sudden.

    We're so used to how terrible thy are, it's funny to see other people realise they exist :pac:

    Bit hypocritical to hate the DUP only when they affect the "mainland"

    Also he was stupid here on attacking Jewish people. He should have used the scots as an example of a money obsessed stereotype. The English like that.


  • #39
    [Deleted User]
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    The_Valeyard wrote: »
    And everyone knows they hire people on low wages for that.



    Is that a bad joke or anti-Semitism
    I hope you've got no holocaust denying posts in your back catalogue :P


  • #40
    Yourself isit
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    Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »
    From memory I think he said the use of the word holocaust was incaccurate because holocaust meant death by fire whereas he argued most of the jews who died didn't actually die in this way.So he didn't actually deny the event took place just that the word used to describe it wasn't really accurate.

    It seems then that the outrage is manufactured


  • #41
    [Deleted User]
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    Yourself isit wrote: »
    It seems then that the outrage is manufactured

    That was just part of it, I posted a link to the article earlier in the thread. The thing is, he complains about Holocaust 'dogma' but doesn't go near why it became a dogma, it seems it was a much more carefully written article than the one today


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  • #42
    The_Valeyard
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    riffmongous wrote: »
    I hope you've got no holocaust denying posts in your back catalogue :P

    Ah no, holocaust definitely happened. Zero disagreement there. I do believe however that sometimes certain Israeli officials or supporters through around the term anti-Semitism if you question their government policies.


  • #43
    [Deleted User]
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    The_Valeyard wrote: »
    Ah no, holocaust definitely happened. Zero disagreement there. I do believe however that sometimes certain Israeli officials or supporters through around the term anti-Semitism if you question their government policies.

    That'd be my position too I'd say


  • #44
    Phoebas
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    It's surely only pro in the sense of David Brent believing he was praising black people with his "bigger than a bread bin" joke.

    It's preying on a stereotype. No one is supposed to read of Shylock and think he was a shrewd investor.

    That wasn't how I read it anyway.

    Bit like describing the Irish as always last to leave the party. Some people will see that as 'they're very social'. Some as 'they're a bunch of alcos'.


  • #45
    Phoebas
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    riffmongous wrote: »
    Ah it is, it feeds back into the stereotype of jews being money grubbing shysters

    ... or the stereotype of them being very driven to be successful.


    Here's the bit:
    Myers wrote:
    "Jews are not generally noted for their insistence on selling their talent for the lowest possible price, which is the most useful measure there is of inveterate, lost-with-all-hands stupidity."

    As I said, I don't know why he decided to introduce Jewishness into this, but far from painting Jews as 'money grubbing shysters', he seems to be attempting (badly) to make a positive point about them, describing people who do sell them short as stupid.

    Now - whose going to stand up beside the non Jewish female BBC presenters against this slur by Myers.


  • #46
    [Deleted User]
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    riffmongous wrote: »
    This is why it's different this time, it's attracted the attention of people who didn't even know about him

    On this precise point in the tweets under that Irish Times article is the following from Dara Briain:
    Dara Briain @daraobriain
    Replying to @DAaronovitch @mrjamesob
    Exciting day for Ireland though, to see one of our long-standing blowhards step onto a bigger stage.

    hehe. Myers has also long been pitiful, until we remember that he has made a living out of his super West Brit persona of "The Irish should remember as heroes those who used violence to achieve the political aims of the British Empire and regard as terrorists the Irish who used violence to achieve Irish freedom from that Empire". In between demonising Travellers, single mothers and their "bastard" children, the poor and Irish speakers he decided to blame the relatives of Bloody Sunday (the 1972 one) for, well, causing much of the Troubles. The (January 1997) article included such gems as "I want to know what business the families of the Bloody Sunday [dead] have in permitting their tragedy, and their losses, to be enlisted by a cause which in nine separate mass killings directly following upon Bloody Sunday took the lives of 56 people." Within a day The Irish Times had an army of barristers against it and offered a full apology and settled for "a substantial six-figure sum" in compensation. Most of his targets do not have the resources to defend themselves, which is precisely why they are his targets.

    In a nutshell, he's a hypocritical, war-loving, far right revisionist bully - like all the other apologists and glorifiers of his beloved British Empire. He has long deserved his comeuppance for all his trolling.

    Kevin Myers: 'Laziness and propaganda have unfairly tarnished the Black and Tans' reputation'


  • #47
    LionelNashe
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    There was a 1 hour interview with him on Eamon Dunphy's podcast ('The Stand') in the last couple of weeks. Myers started off on the hard left, student revolutionary etc. Now, he says, he is against the 'tyranny of the left'.

    I think the reference to the journalists being Jewish was just provocative for no good reason. It didn't even have anything to do with his argument. It's already being reported in Israeli press, and is no doubt adding to the Israeli perception of UK & Irish people as being antisemitic. Now, the next time Israel bombs two thousand people in retaliation for rockets being fired, any comment from the Irish or UK press will be more easily dismissed as antisemitism.

    It's also pretty cowardly and hypocritical of the editors to publish it, and then retract it. They either should have spiked it beforehand (best option, in my opinion), or stood over it afterwards.

    The rest of the extracts I've seen were mealy-mouthed excuses for an argument. He doesn't know who the women's agents are, and he doesn't know if men work harder, or negotiate harder, so he feels it's ok to throw it out there as a unsubstantiated suggestion, knowing that nobody can refute it either.


  • #48
    suicide_circus
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    Professional **** stirrer stirs ****


  • #49
    [Deleted User]
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    Collie D wrote: »
    Apparently a 2009 Indo article where he denied the Holocaust has also been taken down in the last couple of hours.
    I agree with your post about Myers being an all-round arsehole, and today's article is further proof of that.

    Just on the holocaust though, he wasn't denying that 6 million jews were killed by the Nazis. He was using pedantry to say they weren't "murdered" and that if you look at the etymological meaning of holocoaust ("wholescale fire"), it can be rebutted, or stated to be inaccurate.

    He was making this points in favour of freedom of speech, and against countries where 'holocaust denial' is a crime. He was arguing that his points (although pedantic in their literalism) would amount to crimes, and this is wrong.

    He wasn't denying the massacre of jews at all. Unfortunately, he is still an arsehole though.

    I'm only saying this, not to defend Myers, but unless the media is scrupulously accurate in stating exactly why he is wrong, he'll have an excuse to say "ah ye don't even understand the point". That makes it easy for him to ignore criticism.


  • #50
    _Dara_
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    Kevin 'Trololololol' Myers.


  • #51
    J.pilkington
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    DuMorph wrote: »
    It's a pity his name is Kevin; people will think he's Irish.

    His dad is irish, he went to university in Ireland, he currently lives in Ireland, he has lived in Ireland most of his life, he works for an Irish publication newspaper and he considers himself Irish.

    Do you only claim the "good" ones and disown the ones you don't like?


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  • #52
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    J.pilkington wrote: »
    His dad is irish, he went to university in Ireland, he currently lives in Ireland, he has lived in Ireland most of his life, he works for an Irish publication newspaper and he considers himself Irish.

    Do you only claim the "good" ones and disown the ones you don't like?

    I wonder what his definition of Irish is, he's said some weird things on irishness down through the years, especially related to fine gael


  • #53
    hairyslug
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    Just seen on the twitter machine that he's got the bullet.

    Questions need to be asked of the editor as well


  • #54
    timthumbni
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    GLaDOS wrote: »
    It's kinda like the DUP getting loads of attention over in England all of a sudden.

    We're so used to how terrible thy are, it's funny to see other people realise they exist :pac:

    Do you have a lot of dup types down in Dublin then???


  • #55
    Arcade_Tryer
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    riffmongous wrote: »
    I wonder what his definition of Irish is, he's said some weird things on irishness down through the years, especially related to fine gael
    Irish is a nothing word in that it can mean anything to anyone. Nobody holds ownership over the interpretation of the word, though many would like to believe they do, and try to.


  • #56
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    Arcade_Tryer wrote: »
    Irish is a nothing word in that it can mean anything to anyone. Nobody holds ownership over the interpretation of the word, though many would like to believe they do, and try to.

    Which is why it would be interesting to hear his definition, see how it compares to everyone elses


  • #57
    timthumbni
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    On this precise point in the tweets under that Irish Times article is the following from Dara Briain:



    his super West Brit persona


    Kevin Myers: 'Laziness and propaganda have unfairly tarnished the Black and Tans' reputation'

    "West Brit" its super cute that republicans still use that term. Bravo...


  • #58
    snowflaker
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    Kevin targeted the wrong minority and finally, got stung


  • #59
    Danzy
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    I just pray that there are no Jews living near Kevin Myers.

    If there is, please be safe, lock your doors, get a good parameter fence, look after your children.

    There are more people like me who will stand between ye and those pushing ye in to the Camps once more.

    I'd like to see Kevin Myers unequivocally condemn the Holocaust, no ifs or buts.

    I think it was very wrong, does he? I'd like to think so but aware I am being very generous in that assumption.

    He has written before that there was no Holocaust.


  • #60
    RayM
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    snowflaker wrote: »
    Kevin targeted the wrong minority and finally, got stung

    If he'd done it in an Irish-owned paper, he would have been grand.


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  • #61
    snowflaker
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    RayM wrote: »
    If he'd done it in an Irish-owned paper, he would have been grand.

    He did, in the indo, a few years ago. They only deleted the article today


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