Kevin Myers, jew've just been erased

riffmongous

All traces of Kevin Myers being expunged from the Sunday Times after he wrote an article for their Irish edition on the women's pay gap with a bit of antisemitism thrown in for good measure.

Now while we might all just roll our eyes and say, 'Oh Kevin', it seems to be kicking up a bit of a **** storm as the Brits are not familiar with him and it's forced to paper to delete any online traces and issue an apology

The Sunday Times has been accused of antisemitism after it published an article in its Irish edition that suggested the BBC presenters Claudia Winkleman and Vanessa Feltz are well paid because they are Jewish.

The Rupert Murdoch-owned newspaper removed an online version of the piece by Holocaust denier Kevin Myers on Sunday morning amid a wave of outrage, but it appeared in printed editions of the newspaper across Ireland.

Under the headline “Sorry ladies, equal pay has to be earned”, Myers wrote: “I note that two of the best-paid women presenters in the BBC – Claudia Winkleman and Vanessa Feltz, with whose, no doubt, sterling work I am tragically unacquainted – are Jewish. Good for them.

“Jews are not generally noted for their insistence on selling their talent for the lowest possible price, which is the most useful measure there is of inveterate, lost-with-all-hands stupidity. I wonder, who are their agents? If they’re the same ones that negotiated the pay for the women on the lower scales, then maybe the latter have found their true value in the marketplace.”

Myers has previously written, in the Irish Independent: “There was no holocaust (or Holocaust, as my computer software insists) and six million Jews were not murdered by the Third Reich. These two statements of mine are irrefutable truths.”

...Lionel Barber, the editor of the Financial Times, described the piece as “undiluted antisemitism and misogyny” while the former Europe minister Denis MacShane said the comments were “truly shameful”.

Danny Cohen, the former director of BBC television, called on the Sunday Times to prevent Myers from writing for any News UK paper ever again.

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Oh and in other news it's Arnie's 70th birthday today, movie marathon coming up

GLaDOS

If you're paying attention to Kevin Myers, you've already lost.

DuMorph

It's a pity his name is Kevin; people will think he's Irish.

Collie D

Hardly surprising. He hates everyone so the Jews were probably due to get his ire one day.

Didn't he post here once upon a time?

Right wing, misogynyst, unionist, snob and all round arsehole.

riffmongous

GLaDOS wrote: »

If you're paying attention to Kevin Myers, you've already lost.

This is why it's different this time, it's attracted the attention of people who didn't even know about him

Samaris

What a charming individual.

GLaDOS

riffmongous wrote: »

This is why it's different this time, it's attracted the attention of people who didn't even know about him

It's kinda like the DUP getting loads of attention over in England all of a sudden.

We're so used to how terrible thy are, it's funny to see other people realise they exist :pac:

Arghus

What was the point of him saying those things other than to prove he's a bigot?

riffmongous

Arghus wrote: »

What was the point of him saying those things other than to prove he's a bigot?

Some people can manage to make a career out of it

hairyslug

Arghus wrote: »

What was the point of him saying those things other than to prove he's a bigot?

Clicks, clicks and more clicks.
Even some clicks with dicks in there as well

Rabbo

I'm not a fan of Kevin Myers but has anyone actually read the article?

The rush to get offended at anything vaguely controversial and the ensuing hysteria is really getting tiresome.

Collie D

Apparently a 2009 Indo article where he denied the Holocaust has also been taken down in the last couple of hours.

I saw mentioned that he wrote an article denying the Holocaust a while back but it's been removed now too. The turd.

Collie D

Rabbo wrote: »

I'm not a fan of Kevin Myers but has anyone actually read the article?

The rush to get offended at anything vaguely controversial and the ensuing hysteria is really getting tiresome.

I've read what was shown on line and I'm not rushing to be offended. He has used an anti-Semitic stereotype and has been called out on it.

Collie D

Collie D wrote: »

Apparently a 2009 Indo article where he denied the Holocaust has also been taken down in the last couple of hours.

Aye, it was linked from the BBC but it's gone.

riffmongous

Rabbo wrote: »

I'm not a fan of Kevin Myers but has anyone actually read the article?

The rush to get offended at anything vaguely controversial and the ensuing hysteria is really getting tiresome.

Yeah it wasn't the worst thing I've read this week, but still it was anti-semitic stereotyping, and in context of his supposed holocaust denying remarks it looks a lot worse

evolving_doors

Collie D wrote: »

Apparently a 2009 Indo article where he denied the Holocaust has also been taken down in the last couple of hours.

So the indo are Denier deniers..

Cervantes2

I don't like Kevin Myers at all but he has the right to express his opinion does he not?

He's been making lazy generalisations for years about races, religions, genders etc now he attacks the Jews and suddenly he's beyond the pale.....

GLaDOS

Cervantes2 wrote: »

I don't like Kevin Myers at all but he has the right to express his opinion does he not?

He's been making lazy generalisations for years about races, religions, genders etc now he attacks the Jews and suddenly he's beyond the pale.....

Of course he has a right to an opinion. And everyone else has the right to criticise that opinion. And the paper has the right to retract publication of that opinion.

riffmongous

Here's his Holocaust article, not really flaming anti-semitism to be fair, it looks like he was just looking for a new angle to have a go at the muslims

http://archive.is/2017.07.30-135449/http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/opinion/there-was-no-holocaust-kevin-myers-28473646.html

Collie D

Cervantes2 wrote: »

I don't like Kevin Myers at all but he has the right to express his opinion does he not?

He's been making lazy generalisations for years about races, religions, genders etc now he attacks the Jews and suddenly he's beyond the pale.....

I think it's the fact he's reached a wider audience with this one. As someone said earlier we Irish know what he is but now the citizens of his beloved U.K. can see it too.

suicide_circus

riffmongous wrote: »

Here's his Holocaust article, not really flaming anti-semitism to be fair, it looks like he was just looking for a new angle to have a go at the muslims

http://archive.is/2017.07.30-135449/http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/opinion/there-was-no-holocaust-kevin-myers-28473646.html

Hmmm he's being irritatingly pedantic but he's not "wrong"

Collie D

suicide_circus wrote: »

Hmmm he's being irritatingly pedantic but he's not "wrong"

Pretty ****e article although agree it's more pedantic than denial.

Donald Trump

Genuine question. Why are some cows more sacred than others?
He wrote an article. The editor published it and because of the particular offensive subject matter, all traces of him from the official sites are removed?

riffmongous

suicide_circus wrote: »

Hmmm he's being irritatingly pedantic but he's not "wrong"

Yeah you'd want to tell him to just **** off with the 'oh it cant be a holocaust because of the greek words blah blah' stuff, but it's not really very anti-semitic, although, he does sort of skirt it by saying it became a sort of dogma but not saying 'why', which would be hard to explain without a bit of AS

Cervantes2

GLaDOS wrote: »

Of course he has a right to an opinion. And everyone else has the right to criticise that opinion. And the paper has the right to retract publication of that opinion.

Fair point. But he has written many articles for UK publications before.

Zillah

I'm not sure I even understand him. Is he arguing that holocaust is a poor choice of title for what happened...? Seems ludicrously misleading to say "The holocaust never happened....because it should have a different name..." Like, what?

It's almost as if he was just being controversial for the sake of it...

Does anyone have a link to the latest offending article?

Arcade_Tryer

riffmongous wrote: »

Here's his Holocaust article, not really flaming anti-semitism to be fair, it looks like he was just looking for a new angle to have a go at the muslims

http://archive.is/2017.07.30-135449/http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/opinion/there-was-no-holocaust-kevin-myers-28473646.html

He's absolutely correct concerning the absurdity of "holocaust denial laws", especially given the context in which the Holocaust came about. He's channeling Christopher Hitchens, except Hitchens said it first, and far more poetically.

RayM

I can imagine him protesting his innocence...

"but the column was meant to be misogynistic, not antisemitic"

Dirty Dingus McGee

Collie D wrote: »

Apparently a 2009 Indo article where he denied the Holocaust has also been taken down in the last couple of hours.

From memory I think he said the use of the word holocaust was incaccurate because holocaust meant death by fire whereas he argued most of the jews who died didn't actually die in this way.So he didn't actually deny the event took place just that the word used to describe it wasn't really accurate.

Phoebas

riffmongous wrote: »

Yeah it wasn't the worst thing I've read this week, but still it was anti-semitic stereotyping, and in context of his supposed holocaust denying remarks it looks a lot worse

It was stereotyping, but it was hardly anti-semitic.
Pro-Semitic if anything, something along the lines that Jews wouldn't sell themselves short.

Why he felt the need to introduce Jews into that article at all I don't understand, but ... Kevin Myers.

The_Valeyard

Collie D wrote: »

Hardly surprising. He hates everyone so the Jews were probably due to get his ire one day.

Didn't he post here once upon a time?

Right wing, misogynyst, unionist, snob and all round arsehole.

So next in line for chief wizard of the orange order?

branie2

He also has a lot to say about Michael Collins, but not in a positive way

riffmongous

Phoebas wrote: »

It was stereotyping, but it was hardly anti-semitic.
Pro-Semitic if anything, something along the lines that Jews wouldn't sell themselves short.

Why he felt the need to introduce Jews into that article at all I don't understand, but ... Kevin Myers.

Ah it is, it feeds back into the stereotype of jews being money grubbing shysters

The_Valeyard

riffmongous wrote: »

Ah it is, it feeds back into the stereotype of jews being money grubbing shysters

And everyone knows they hire people on low wages for that.



Is that a bad joke or anti-Semitism

Phoebas

Phoebas wrote: »

It was stereotyping, but it was hardly anti-semitic.
Pro-Semitic if anything, something along the lines that Jews wouldn't sell themselves short.

Why he felt the need to introduce Jews into that article at all I don't understand, but ... Kevin Myers.

It's surely only pro in the sense of David Brent believing he was praising black people with his "bigger than a bread bin" joke.

It's preying on a stereotype. No one is supposed to read of Shylock and think he was a shrewd investor.

Annasopra

Zillah wrote: »

I'm not sure I even understand him. Is he arguing that holocaust is a poor choice of title for what happened...? Seems ludicrously misleading to say "The holocaust never happened....because it should have a different name..." Like, what?

It's almost as if he was just being controversial for the sake of it...

Does anyone have a link to the latest offending article?

Yep. A troll. That he is.

Yourself isit

GLaDOS wrote: »

It's kinda like the DUP getting loads of attention over in England all of a sudden.

We're so used to how terrible thy are, it's funny to see other people realise they exist :pac:

Bit hypocritical to hate the DUP only when they affect the "mainland"

Also he was stupid here on attacking Jewish people. He should have used the scots as an example of a money obsessed stereotype. The English like that.

riffmongous

The_Valeyard wrote: »

And everyone knows they hire people on low wages for that.



Is that a bad joke or anti-Semitism

I hope you've got no holocaust denying posts in your back catalogue :P

Yourself isit

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

From memory I think he said the use of the word holocaust was incaccurate because holocaust meant death by fire whereas he argued most of the jews who died didn't actually die in this way.So he didn't actually deny the event took place just that the word used to describe it wasn't really accurate.

It seems then that the outrage is manufactured

riffmongous

Yourself isit wrote: »

It seems then that the outrage is manufactured

That was just part of it, I posted a link to the article earlier in the thread. The thing is, he complains about Holocaust 'dogma' but doesn't go near why it became a dogma, it seems it was a much more carefully written article than the one today

The_Valeyard

riffmongous wrote: »

I hope you've got no holocaust denying posts in your back catalogue :P

Ah no, holocaust definitely happened. Zero disagreement there. I do believe however that sometimes certain Israeli officials or supporters through around the term anti-Semitism if you question their government policies.

riffmongous

The_Valeyard wrote: »

Ah no, holocaust definitely happened. Zero disagreement there. I do believe however that sometimes certain Israeli officials or supporters through around the term anti-Semitism if you question their government policies.

That'd be my position too I'd say

Phoebas

Deleted User wrote: »

It's surely only pro in the sense of David Brent believing he was praising black people with his "bigger than a bread bin" joke.

It's preying on a stereotype. No one is supposed to read of Shylock and think he was a shrewd investor.

That wasn't how I read it anyway.

Bit like describing the Irish as always last to leave the party. Some people will see that as 'they're very social'. Some as 'they're a bunch of alcos'.

Phoebas

riffmongous wrote: »

Ah it is, it feeds back into the stereotype of jews being money grubbing shysters

... or the stereotype of them being very driven to be successful.


Here's the bit:

Myers wrote:

"Jews are not generally noted for their insistence on selling their talent for the lowest possible price, which is the most useful measure there is of inveterate, lost-with-all-hands stupidity."

As I said, I don't know why he decided to introduce Jewishness into this, but far from painting Jews as 'money grubbing shysters', he seems to be attempting (badly) to make a positive point about them, describing people who do sell them short as stupid.

Now - whose going to stand up beside the non Jewish female BBC presenters against this slur by Myers.

riffmongous

riffmongous wrote: »

This is why it's different this time, it's attracted the attention of people who didn't even know about him

On this precise point in the tweets under that Irish Times article is the following from Dara Briain:

Dara Briain @daraobriain
Replying to @DAaronovitch @mrjamesob
Exciting day for Ireland though, to see one of our long-standing blowhards step onto a bigger stage.

hehe. Myers has also long been pitiful, until we remember that he has made a living out of his super West Brit persona of "The Irish should remember as heroes those who used violence to achieve the political aims of the British Empire and regard as terrorists the Irish who used violence to achieve Irish freedom from that Empire". In between demonising Travellers, single mothers and their "bastard" children, the poor and Irish speakers he decided to blame the relatives of Bloody Sunday (the 1972 one) for, well, causing much of the Troubles. The (January 1997) article included such gems as "I want to know what business the families of the Bloody Sunday [dead] have in permitting their tragedy, and their losses, to be enlisted by a cause which in nine separate mass killings directly following upon Bloody Sunday took the lives of 56 people." Within a day The Irish Times had an army of barristers against it and offered a full apology and settled for "a substantial six-figure sum" in compensation. Most of his targets do not have the resources to defend themselves, which is precisely why they are his targets.

In a nutshell, he's a hypocritical, war-loving, far right revisionist bully - like all the other apologists and glorifiers of his beloved British Empire. He has long deserved his comeuppance for all his trolling.

Kevin Myers: 'Laziness and propaganda have unfairly tarnished the Black and Tans' reputation'

LionelNashe

There was a 1 hour interview with him on Eamon Dunphy's podcast ('The Stand') in the last couple of weeks. Myers started off on the hard left, student revolutionary etc. Now, he says, he is against the 'tyranny of the left'.

I think the reference to the journalists being Jewish was just provocative for no good reason. It didn't even have anything to do with his argument. It's already being reported in Israeli press, and is no doubt adding to the Israeli perception of UK & Irish people as being antisemitic. Now, the next time Israel bombs two thousand people in retaliation for rockets being fired, any comment from the Irish or UK press will be more easily dismissed as antisemitism.

It's also pretty cowardly and hypocritical of the editors to publish it, and then retract it. They either should have spiked it beforehand (best option, in my opinion), or stood over it afterwards.

The rest of the extracts I've seen were mealy-mouthed excuses for an argument. He doesn't know who the women's agents are, and he doesn't know if men work harder, or negotiate harder, so he feels it's ok to throw it out there as a unsubstantiated suggestion, knowing that nobody can refute it either.

suicide_circus

Professional **** stirrer stirs ****

Collie D

Collie D wrote: »

Apparently a 2009 Indo article where he denied the Holocaust has also been taken down in the last couple of hours.

I agree with your post about Myers being an all-round arsehole, and today's article is further proof of that.

Just on the holocaust though, he wasn't denying that 6 million jews were killed by the Nazis. He was using pedantry to say they weren't "murdered" and that if you look at the etymological meaning of holocoaust ("wholescale fire"), it can be rebutted, or stated to be inaccurate.

He was making this points in favour of freedom of speech, and against countries where 'holocaust denial' is a crime. He was arguing that his points (although pedantic in their literalism) would amount to crimes, and this is wrong.

He wasn't denying the massacre of jews at all. Unfortunately, he is still an arsehole though.

I'm only saying this, not to defend Myers, but unless the media is scrupulously accurate in stating exactly why he is wrong, he'll have an excuse to say "ah ye don't even understand the point". That makes it easy for him to ignore criticism.

_Dara_

Kevin 'Trololololol' Myers.

J.pilkington

DuMorph wrote: »

It's a pity his name is Kevin; people will think he's Irish.

His dad is irish, he went to university in Ireland, he currently lives in Ireland, he has lived in Ireland most of his life, he works for an Irish publication newspaper and he considers himself Irish.

Do you only claim the "good" ones and disown the ones you don't like?