The Weird, Wacky and Awesome World of the NFL - General Banter thread V2

JaMarcusHustle · 29-07-2017 04:54PM

helimachoptor wrote:

Kap is now a Jet

Where is that reported?

helimachoptor · 29-07-2017 04:56PM

JaMarcusHustle wrote: »

Where is that reported?

Seems by reliable sources but no one official could be fake

phatkev · 29-07-2017 05:02PM

helimachoptor wrote: »

Seems by reliable sources but no one official could be fake

Fairly sure its fake

Billy86 · 29-07-2017 05:46PM

Christy42 wrote: »

He is meant to get hired or not due to his skills at football. But hey this is the nfl - beat the crap out of someone half your size then come right on in. Make a political point (and he was not the only one) then go home.

Sorry this post does not stand up to the slightest levels of scrutiny. Heck let's see Brady get dumped for being friends with Trump (you want divisive there is no one more divisive in the states right now). I mean I don't honestly believe Brady should be stopped for that but if you want apply that logic...

Somehow I expect the rules to suddenly be different for that one somehow.

Kaepernick in my opinion really isn't a very good QB and I couldn't disagree more on comments like Flacco not being able to get his job back from him, but at the same time there is zero question that he is good enough for a few teams out there completely lacking in the QB position - 49ers, Jets and Texans stand out most, but the likes of Jacksonville or the Rams would also do very well to pick him up in case Bortles plays like he did before the coaching switch again or Goff continues to play anything like he did whenever he saw the pitch. Denver, Chicago and Cleveland I think have enough in terms of a proven backup/younger guy, and a high upside player or two that they could avoid.

He is still 29, has over 2,000 regular seasons snaps, six playoff games, has great athleticism and a really big arm (though that's something I personally find overrated). Accuracy and intelligence have typically been an issue for him, but he was actually quite decent last year in a putrid team, with the 13th highest TD percentage, 6th lowest INT percentage (which really surprised me), and was picking up about 45 yards on the ground per game. 59.2% accuracy and 6.8ypa were not good, but considering what he had to work with it isn't exactly horrific either.

Kaepernick's problem isn't that he stood up for something - it's what he stood up for and in what sport. Carmelo Anthony, Dwayne Wade, Lebron James and Steph Curry all made speeches about BLM during the ESPY's, yet somehow they're all in a job still.

Itssoeasy · 29-07-2017 05:48PM

helimachoptor wrote: »

Seems by reliable sources but no one official could be fake

Would he be better than what the jets have now ?

Billy86 · 29-07-2017 05:51PM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Would he be better than what the jets have now ?

Very, very comfortably (though they seem to be trying to tank the season somewhat to rebuild in my opinion, a bit like Cleveland last year). They and SF have extremely little in terms of upside or proven talent on the roster at that position - at least Tom Savage might turn into something, at least Kizer is high upside and Kessler looks like he could be a very solid player, at least Bortles looked to turn a corner after the coaching change, at least Goff has the excuse of a rookie year with no talent when they have now loaded up more. SF and NYJ more or less have nothing.

Beefy78 · 29-07-2017 06:10PM

Ipse dixit wrote: »

Colin Kaepernick made his bed and now he can lie in it. He went down the road of supporting divisive social movements like Black Lives Matter and wouldn't stand up for the flag during the anthem. He's either extremely poorly advised or is suffering from Kanye West or Bono levels of self-importance. I'd say he has a remote chance of every playing pro-football again.

There is a great interview with John Mara that essentially suggests that Kaep has been blackballed by the owners in order to avert a potential back-clash with fans.

Yeah what a dick Kaep is for believing in something.

j8wk2feszrnpao · 29-07-2017 07:09PM

Beefy78 wrote: »

Yeah what a dick Kaep is for believing in something.

I didn't have a problem with him standing up for a cause. But he decided to disrespect something that means a lot to people who weren't part of the problem.

Instead of the focus being on the issue, it went onto Kap and the flag; the issue got sidelined.

He was either kinda stupid, or poorly advised. There are other ways to protest than insulting so many people.

It probably has played a factor in his lack of a job at the moment; but if he was even an above average QB, I think he'd be with a team right now.

Christy42 · 29-07-2017 07:42PM

munstermagic11 wrote: »

I didn't have a problem with him standing up for a cause. But he decided to disrespect something that means a lot to people who weren't part of the problem.
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I feel like possibly they should not get quite so offended at someone disrespecting a flag to keep him out of his job. Yeah if he was good enough people wouldn't care.

I feel like people need to sort out their priorities if the small protest at a flag is what gets them riled up out of all that nfl players do. Really on his ability he should have a job by now. As Billy said there are several QB starved teams and plenty more that should be jumping at the chance of a back up of that quality (presuming he is not demanding a ridiculous amount).

adrian522 · 29-07-2017 07:45PM

Ipse dixit wrote: »

Colin Kaepernick made his bed and now he can lie in it. He went down the road of supporting divisive social movements like Black Lives Matter and wouldn't stand up for the flag during the anthem. He's either extremely poorly advised or is suffering from Kanye West or Bono levels of self-importance. I'd say he has a remote chance of every playing pro-football again.

There is a great interview with John Mara that essentially suggests that Kaep has been blackballed by the owners in order to avert a potential back-clash with fans.

Aka he stood up(or knelt down) for what he believed in and now must be punished.

Pitiful attitude from a lot of the owners and fans. I don't think his play has been good enough to merit a starting job, but crazy he is not on a roster.

Billy86 · 29-07-2017 07:50PM

And if it's a flag/national pride thing, shouldn't James McClean have been blacklisted from English football leagues years ago for refusing to wear the poppy?

Dirty Dingus McGee · 29-07-2017 07:51PM

Beefy78 wrote: »

Yeah what a dick Kaep is for believing in something.

He massively undermined what he was trying to achieve by not voting in the presidential election and actually confirming he didn't vote.

The one way the ordinary citizen can make a change is through their vote, and he stupidly didn't vote and it made his whole campaign to look very insincere as you can't pretend you want change when you don't use your vote.

mikemac2 · 29-07-2017 08:03PM

Hmmm not NFL but season two of Last Chance U is on Netflix. Same school and some but not many of the same players. As is the way with junior college there is a high turnover

The final episode has a nice wrap up of where the players from season 1 progressed to and many are doing quite well in D1 programs

Some of the players are super talented and you'd want to give them a kick for their attitudes :mad: Must be frustrating for the college and academic staff

And some like the starting QB and the linebacker seem good guys who are grasping their chance

8 episodes, worth a watch

adrian522 · 29-07-2017 08:12PM

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

He massively undermined what he was trying to achieve by not voting in the presidential election and actually confirming he didn't vote.

The one way the ordinary citizen can make a change is through their vote, and he stupidly didn't vote and it made his whole campaign to look very insincere as you can't pretend you want change when you don't use your vote.

Not sure how it's relevant at all to be honest, if you don't have faith in either of the candidates (and they were both terrible) I don't see how this undermines anything at all. Not Clinton or trump were going to rein in the police in America.

Dirty Dingus McGee · 29-07-2017 08:26PM

adrian522 wrote: »

Not sure how it's relevant at all to be honest, if you don't have faith in either of the candidates (and they were both terrible) I don't see how this undermines anything at all. Not Clinton or trump were going to rein in the police in America.

There were other candidates on the ballot he could have voted for one of them.Both main candidates were poor but there is always the option of voting for the lesser of 2 evils which is something people do all the time.

It's relevant because his campaign has an air of insincerity to it because he didn't vote,voting is the only opportunity average joe's have to institute some sort of change and he decided not to vote it may not be the reason the team owners have turned off him but it didn't help his cause in the slightest and in my opinion it makes him a less sympathetic figure now.

adrian522 · 29-07-2017 08:41PM

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

There were other candidates on the ballot he could have voted for one of them.Both main candidates were poor but there is always the option of voting for the lesser of 2 evils which is something people do all the time.

It's relevant because his campaign has an air of insincerity to it because he didn't vote, it may not be the reason the team owners have turned off him but it didn't help his cause in the slightest and in my opinion it makes him a less sympathetic figure now.

Well your opinion is one thing but.he is entirely entitled to his, you can agree with it or not but it doesn't mean anything in relation to his stance on police shootings . Whether to vote or who to vote for is an entirely personal decision.

It doesn't give his campaign an air of insincerity.

Dirty Dingus McGee · 29-07-2017 08:54PM

adrian522 wrote: »

Well your opinion is one thing but.he is entirely entitled to his, you can agree with it or not but it doesn't mean anything in relation to his stance on police shootings . Whether to vote or who to vote for is an entirely personal decision.

It doesn't give his campaign an air of insincerity.

Fair enough but I'd disagree on that point.

You can't start a social justice campaign but then not vote as voting is the only way of getting change.

Podge_irl · 29-07-2017 09:07PM

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

Fair enough but I'd disagree on that point.

You can't start a social justice campaign but then not vote as voting is the only way of getting change.

He should have voted, though a large majority of the NFL don't I believe. Neither he nor his protest are perfect but it was entirely legitimate, peaceful and raised important issues.

I still struggle to view his situation as doing anything except reflecting poorly on the vast majority of the NFL.

adrian522 · 29-07-2017 09:09PM

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

Fair enough but I'd disagree on that point.

You can't start a social justice campaign but then not vote as voting is the only way of getting change.

No offense but who he votes for or doesn't vote for is irrelevant and a completely private decision

If that makes his entire stand insincere then why do you think he went through all that, certainly wasn't to advance his career. I think he was and is 100% sincere in what he is trying t to do even if I don't agree with him.

His voting record is completely irrelevant in my opinion.

Beefy78 · 29-07-2017 09:17PM

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

He massively undermined what he was trying to achieve by not voting in the presidential election and actually confirming he didn't vote.

The one way the ordinary citizen can make a change is through their vote, and he stupidly didn't vote and it made his whole campaign to look very insincere as you can't pretend you want change when you don't use your vote.

All voting does is provide tacit acceptance of a corrupt and broken system. I wouldn't have voted either if my choice is Hillary or Trump.

Dirty Dingus McGee · 29-07-2017 09:25PM

Beefy78 wrote: »

All voting does is provide tacit acceptance of a corrupt and broken system. I wouldn't have voted either if my choice is Hillary or Trump.

They weren't the only choice though.If everyone in America decided the 2 main parties came up with really **** options and all voted for some of the other candidates on the ballot then maybe something would change.

j8wk2feszrnpao · 29-07-2017 09:31PM

Christy42 wrote: »

I feel like possibly they should not get quite so offended at someone disrespecting a flag to keep him out of his job. Yeah if he was good enough people wouldn't care.

I feel like people need to sort out their priorities if the small protest at a flag is what gets them riled up out of all that nfl players do. Really on his ability he should have a job by now. As Billy said there are several QB starved teams and plenty more that should be jumping at the chance of a back up of that quality (presuming he is not demanding a ridiculous amount).

A flag might not mean much to you or me, but it does to millions. And it's not just the 'flag', but for those that were offended it means a whole lot more.
Without probably meaning to, he offended them. Then he kept doing it, which really didn't help.

I think he's good enough to be backup for a few teams. I'd like to know what he's asking for though; and unfortunately it's getting less and less likely that someone is going to look to sign him at this stage.

TOss Sweep · 29-07-2017 09:31PM

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

They weren't the only choice though.If everyone in America decided the 2 main parties came up with really **** options and all voted for some of the other candidates on the ballot then maybe something would change.

The problem is the other candidates wouldn't have done anything close to enough to sway congress or the countries opinion that things need to change. Besides the Independent candidates were not that great either. Gary Johnson could have been somewhat of a runner but that Aleppo question killed any chance he had. The system will never changed here.

Dirty Dingus McGee · 29-07-2017 09:32PM

adrian522 wrote: »

No offense but who he votes for or doesn't vote for is irrelevant and a completely private decision

If that makes his entire stand insincere then why do you think he went through all that, certainly wasn't to advance his career. I think he was and is 100% sincere in what he is trying t to do even if I don't agree with him.

His voting record is completely irrelevant in my opinion.

It was no longer a private decision from the moment he started his campaign.If you get involved in that sort of area then he's obviously going to have to answer questions about who he voted for.

Imagine if some campaigner in Ireland started a campaign focussed on drawing attention to the way Gardoperated and wanting to get change in how they operated but then they confirmed that they did not to vote in an upcoming national election.I doubt anyone would take that person seriously from that point on.

I think he was probably sincere but I said "gives an air of insincerity" and him not voting did.

adrian522 · 29-07-2017 09:34PM

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

They weren't the only choice though.If everyone in America decided the 2 main parties came up with really **** options and all voted for some of the other candidates on the ballot then maybe something would change.

Kaepernick voting for some candidate down the ballot is going to make zero difference. Of.course you already know this. None of this makes his stance insincere.

Quite the opposite, he obviously feels that more direct action is needed than to vote for some presidential candidate with no chance of winning.

TOss Sweep · 29-07-2017 09:39PM

As for Kap and the Flag. He really didn't do anything wrong but disrespecting the US flag is a HUGE no no in the US. You have a large amount of Patriotism on both sides of the political fence who will hate anyone who disrespects the US flag. IT doesn't matter that Kap was free to do so or the reasons he was doing it for a large majority are going to hate him for it. In life you pick your battles and Kap unfortunately picked the wrong one.

Dirty Dingus McGee · 29-07-2017 09:40PM

adrian522 wrote: »

Kaepernick voting for some candidate down the ballot is going to make zero difference. Of.course you already know this. None of this makes his stance insincere.

Quite the opposite, he obviously feels that more direct action is needed than to vote for some presidential candidate with no chance of winning.

You're missing the point.

You cannot get involved in any sort of political/social justice campaign but then not use the one way people have of making change.

Him voting wouldn't have made any difference however it would have given him more legitimacy as a voice.He undermined his cause massively by saying he didn't vote particularly since black people in America fought so hard to be able to vote in the first place.

adrian522 · 29-07-2017 09:45PM

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

You're missing the point.

You cannot get involved in any sort of political/social justice campaign but then not use the one way people have of making change.

Him voting wouldn't have made any difference however it would have given him more legitimacy as a voice.He undermined his cause massively by saying he didn't vote particularly since black people in America fought so hard to be able to vote in the first place.

I'm missing the point?

Can you explain how his voting choices affects the sincerity of his stance?

His opinion that the current system is not going to deliver change and him taking the option of not engaging with that process is perfectly valid.

Dirty Dingus McGee · 29-07-2017 09:50PM

adrian522 wrote: »

I'm missing the point?

Can you explain how his voting choices affects the sincerity of his stance?

His opinion that the current system is not going to deliver change and him taking the option of not engaging with that process is perfectly valid.

If you care about making change in a democratic country you have to engage in the democratic process.

If everyone took his attitude of not voting things would be even worse.

adrian522 · 29-07-2017 09:58PM

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

If you care about making change in a democratic country you have to engage in the democratic process.

If everyone took his attitude of not voting things would be even worse.

So if he votes Clinton for example, how does that change anything?

Him not voting is entirely consistent with his views and what what he has been saying over the last few years.

I'm not going to argue this point any further. It a obvious he is sincere in his views and not.voting is consistent with that.

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