Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2017

brinty · 25-07-2017 10:36PM

bucketybuck wrote:

Pay over the odds for good but not great players when there are plenty of viable alternatives?

Di Maria name a better and available player when we signed him
Pogba tell me who was better and available last summer in the sane role as pogba
Lukaku what other striker is available and proven pl experience

Just one player for each will do...
as you said there were plenty of viable alternative players we could've got....

bucketybuck · 25-07-2017 10:52PM

brinty wrote: »

Di Maria name a better and available player when we signed him
Pogba tell me who was better and available last summer in the sane role as pogba
Lukaku what other striker is available and proven pl experience

Just one player for each will do...
as you said there were plenty of viable alternative players we could've got....

I'm not sure what your point is, but mine is that I don't care if the club do their due diligence and aren't held to ransom for players like Persic or Dier, regardless of how much fans want them to throw money around like confetti.

I want even less for the club to throw hundreds of millions at this years next big thing.

And I could give less of a **** for how City are behaving and most certainly don't consider them a good business model to follow.

Trigger · 25-07-2017 10:54PM

So how much is Bale going for I wonder

https://twitter.com/kierancanning/status/889975974388834304

Jayop · 25-07-2017 10:58PM

It's quite simple, every time the club bends over and takes it over a transfer from the selling club gouging us the worse it gets for us the next time. The reason city are 'doing what is needed' is because their transfer business the last few years has led them to this point. They just spent 50m on a full back Ffs. Long term that's not sustainable so you reach the point you're willing to go to and draw a line in the sand.

I'm happy with our line. We paid up for Lukaku and pogba as well as others. We're prepared to spend big on special players, but why would we pay 60m for this winger that looks average enough.

0gac3yjefb5sv7 · 25-07-2017 11:06PM

Mbappe isn't worth more than Sanchez in terms of value to us. Hilarious if someone pays 160 for him. You should be getting a top if not thee top player in the world for that.

fatherted1969 · 25-07-2017 11:18PM

Bale is on, I'm saying it all year. There's a twist ahead

Lithium93_ · 25-07-2017 11:22PM

fatherted1969 wrote: »

Bale is on, I'm saying it all year. There's a twist ahead

Bookmarking this, and we'll see come the end of the summer window.

StringerBell · 25-07-2017 11:23PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Cool, so it was a completely meaningless statement on absolutely every level. Wibble from Woodward.

Just because you can do something doesn't mean that you must do something, especially not to simply prove you are the big boy in the yard.

Spending that amount of money on an 18 year old? Come on ffs

DARK-KNIGHT · 25-07-2017 11:39PM

fatherted1969 wrote: »

Bale is on, I'm saying it all year. There's a twist ahead

I really hope you are right about that pal

brinty · 26-07-2017 12:17AM

bucketybuck wrote: »

I'm not sure what your point is, but mine is that I don't care if the club do their due diligence and aren't held to ransom for players like Persic or Dier, regardless of how much fans want them to throw money around like confetti.

I want even less for the club to throw hundreds of millions at this years next big thing.

And I could give less of a **** for how City are behaving and most certainly don't consider them a good business model to follow.

My point is who we're these alternative players we could've gotten instead of di maria,pogba or lukaku, you said there were loads of alternatives.. so who were they???

And I do agree with you re we shouldn't be held to ransom and throw money at every problem but sometimes you've got to spend a little too .. and I'm saying that as a boring accountant..

Kirby · 26-07-2017 12:39AM

Jayop wrote: »

It's quite simple, every time the club bends over and takes it over a transfer from the selling club gouging us the worse it gets for us the next time. The reason city are 'doing what is needed' is because their transfer business the last few years has led them to this point. They just spent 50m on a full back Ffs. Long term that's not sustainable so you reach the point you're willing to go to and draw a line in the sand.

I'm happy with our line. We paid up for Lukaku and pogba as well as others. We're prepared to spend big on special players, but why would we pay 60m for this winger that looks average enough.

It absolutely is.

Walker is 27, homegrown and signed a longer term deal. He will likely play for City for the next 6 seasons.....making the transfer fee about 8 million per year.

It's really no different than spending 90 million for Pogba. Some people lost their mind at that figure but he is 24. Thats probably 8+ years.

These are long term deals. With the amount of money clubs make, it's absolutely sustainable. Look at the years Real got out of Ronaldo. That was 70 million well spent, no?

beno619 · 26-07-2017 05:20AM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

City have put the money up for mbappe - if he doesn't sign for them it's not because they didn't try to sign him.

Sorry Mitch but that's a load of bollix, there's absolutely no confirmation of any bid.

Trigger · 26-07-2017 06:02AM

fatherted1969 wrote: »

Bale is on, I'm saying it all year. There's a twist ahead

Ballague thinks it's Benzema that they are trying to move on

Mitch Connor · 26-07-2017 06:03AM

beno619 wrote: »

Sorry Mitch but that's a load of bollix, there's absolutely no confirmation of any bid.

Yeah, no official statement on the mcfc site, but a load if stories saying they have, which I will go with.

Giggsy11 · 26-07-2017 06:22AM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

And if we want to win the CL similar investment is required as again. But the club is currently saying the current market is too difficult to sign players in. What confidence am I supposed to take from such statements?

With the way fees have gone, breaking records is almost meaningless. City just broke the record for a defender twice in a week or so. That's just the level of money needed for players these days.

You need to know the context before moaning. ManUtd don't have the backing of sugar daddy, whatever we pay it's from limited budget however big it is. PSG and City are backed by Middle east owners who spend all the state money on the club.

ManUtd can do what any self funded club can do but can't do everything that clubs like PSG and City can.

Kirby · 26-07-2017 06:47AM

Giggsy11 wrote: »

You need to know the context before moaning. ManUtd don't have the backing of sugar daddy, whatever we pay it's from limited budget however big it is. PSG and City are backed by Middle east owners who spend all the state money on the club.

ManUtd can do what any self funded club can do but can't do everything that clubs like PSG and City can.

Real Madrid and Barca arent backed by middle east owners. They spend to beat the band.

26-07-2017 06:49AM

A sure we got to nearly the end of July before the transfer meltdown kicked in....

Already signed the best striker available on the market along with a young, promising CB.

Relax, another 6 weeks left in the window.
What's great is that media haven't a notion. Personally I believe the Club have improved how the handle the media and the specific dealings in the market.

Liam McPoyle · 26-07-2017 06:55AM

Kirby wrote: »

Real Madrid and Barca arent backed by middle east owners. They spend to beat the band.

Barca havnt really though for the last number of years with the exception of Suarez, who was their highest priced player before him, Neymar I think.

Aside from being bank rolled by the Spanish government Madrid generally recoup alot of their outlay for players that they want shut of so their net prolly isn't all that mad.

They are incomparable really to the likes of City or PSG.

Adamocovic · 26-07-2017 06:56AM

Sometimes I find this opinion bizarre. Reading back through previous posts it would sound like we don't spend much money at all.

From 2010-2016 we were ranked 3rd in total spend in the transfer market. City being top.
Now for the last 5 seasons we are second in the league for spending just behind city. (not including this window)

1 Manchester City - £645,350,000
2 Manchester United - £571,800,000

For me, and it's been this way for the past number of seasons, getting money, or approval to spend money is not the problem. It's getting it to all click on the pitch which has been the struggle. I think a lot have the opinion of we should throw money into buying new players, we have been though, I think we don't need to buy just to keep up with City, rather to suit our team.

End of the day, as we have seen, you can buy all the talented expensive players in the world making the team on paper look good but making it work on the pitch is a different story altogether.

EDIT: also think we overspend on players but seems to be the sign of the times for most clubs now

KH25 · 26-07-2017 06:57AM

astradave wrote: »

Ballague thinks it's Benzema that they are trying to move on

I feel dirty for agreeing with him, but I think so too. Ronaldo could easily switch to the CF position with bale and mbappe on the wings.

Giggsy11 · 26-07-2017 06:59AM

Kirby wrote: »

Real Madrid and Barca arent backed by middle east owners. They spend to beat the band.

What and how much did Barca spend? How much did Madrid spend? Madrid spend when they recoup the money by selling someone else, that's what they did from last 4-5 seasons.

pjohnson · 26-07-2017 07:07AM

Right think at this point maybe the easiest solution to please everyone is we sign Jan Kirchoff and Sebastien Larsson. Everyone wins. We get a DM and a Winger for free. We are suddenly on a supremely tight budget so we better stick to the free market.

Any fcuking club we go near will instantly increase thier asking price to a level that is "too expensive". Apparently we need to "keep our pants on" so best not to pay any fee. This model worked for Arsenal the last decade or so.

Mentioning Di Maria is just a hilarious out of touch post and in a way so is Pogba even. Each year the prices bloat more and more and more. Last year was it 11 PL teams broke their own Transfer Record? (Some like Bournemouth multiple times). Even this window Huddersfield broke their own transfer record 3 times in 48 hours. The market is bloating for everyone. Theres no point trying to claim its a victim mentality only affecting United. Look at that Keita fella valued nearly at Pogba's price this window with much less of a CV. You just need to keep up with the market.

bangkok · 26-07-2017 07:09AM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Yeah, no official statement on the mcfc site, but a load if stories saying they have, which I will go with.

What about all the stories in early june that we bid 113m on mbappe then??

Kirby · 26-07-2017 07:10AM

Giggsy11 wrote: »

What and how much did Barca spend? How much did Madrid spend? Madrid spend when they recoup the money by selling someone else, that's what they did from last 4-5 seasons.

Well Barca spent over a 100 million sterling last summer. The summer before that about 50 million and the one before that 150 or so including Suarez. The one before that? Neymar for reportedly about 80 million.

And arent Neymar and Messi on something nuts like 300 grand a week sterling?

Barca spend big. They always have.

Adamocovic · 26-07-2017 07:13AM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Yeah, no official statement on the mcfc site, but a load if stories saying they have, which I will go with.

If it's based off stories we've bid for poor Wesley Sneijder a god awful amount.

bucketybuck · 26-07-2017 07:15AM

brinty wrote: »

My point is who we're these alternative players we could've gotten instead of di maria,pogba or lukaku, you said there were loads of alternatives.. so who were they???

I never said there were loads of alternatives to Di Maria, Pogba or Lukaku, you misread my post and said that yourself. I said there were alternatives to good but not great players like Persic and Dier, you know, the players we are linked with now and people are complaining about not buying right now. Why would I even be talking about Di Maria?

Though if I felt like arguing the point I would note that there is always an alternative out there, for any player, It would be rather simplistic to think that there wasn't.

bangkok · 26-07-2017 07:17AM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Really? So Jose saying it might not be possible to get more should just be ignored cause it doesn't suit you? Jose saying he isn't happy with our transfer window should just be ignored?

City have put the money up for mbappe - if he doesn't sign for them it's not because they didn't try to sign him. Bonucci wasn't going to leave Italy. He didnt end up at Milan cause city wouldn't back pep to buy him.

I have no agenda against united or Woodward. I simply have an opinion that United are being left behind by clubs with far greater ambition than we show.

United will not win the title, or contend for the CL without more significant investment and the narrative the club is pushing at the moment indicates we are incapable of that.

My opinion is based on that narrative and I will state it.

You completety ignore all that we have done and all we have tried to do.

We smashed the world record last season. We signed the best player in germany, italy and france.

Already this season we have spent over 100m 75m on the best available striker around.

You ignore the 100m we bid on bale when moyes was in charge, a bid that was confirmed.

Van gaal bid 80m on muller that was confirmed.

We have tried to bring ronaldo back on more that one occasion.

You stated psg as a club with more ambition than utd the other day..... what exactly have they done this summer to show more ambition i would like to know??

RobbingBandit · 26-07-2017 07:19AM

Bale and everyone else will come next season if we can win the league dominantly and get to the champions league semis at least if not win it, show that the team is once again a force to be reckoned with for years to come. Jose is rebuilding the team in his own mould now it will take time and manoeuvrings throwing money at shiny players is the wrong way to go about it. Plus for Bale at least for one more season it's better to serve in heaven than reign in hell.

Kirby · 26-07-2017 07:21AM

bangkok wrote: »

You stated psg as a club with more ambition than utd the other day..... what exactly have they done this summer to show more ambition i would like to know??

Yikes I wouldn't have gone down that road mate. They reportedly bid 180 million on Neymar. And apparently he wants to go.

Fairly ambitious. Although some think its revenge for unsettling Verratti.

Giggsy11 · 26-07-2017 07:24AM

Kirby wrote: »

Well Barca spent over a 100 million sterling last summer. The summer before that about 50 million and the one before that 150 or so including Suarez. The one before that? Neymar for reportedly about 80 million.

And arent Neymar and Messi on something nuts like 300 grand a week sterling?

Barca spend big. They always have.

Yes so have ManUtd. That's what I said, ManUtd can match any clubs that is self funding.

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