Dublin Metrolink (just Metrolink posts here -see post #1 )

murphaph wrote: »

markpb wrote: »

FWIW I agree with almost everything you said but several banks have indicated that the regulatory environment in other countries was a reason for choosing them over Ireland. I'm not sure what exactly this means but I believe that there were concerns about the Irish Central Banks ability to cope with the increased demand.

Yeah fair point. I have also read that some banks trade in such complicated deals that only the regulators in the UK and Germany are actually capable of properly overseeing it all, but this doesn't apply to all banks by any means.

I just hope Varadkar is being put under pressure by these bank CEOs to get Dublin's infrastructure sorted ASAP.

if that's the case. He will give go ahead to MN original

cgcsb wrote: »

I'd be pretty confident that metro north will get off the ground come budget day. TII are currently recruiting engineers and we've had report after report mention it.

DARTunderground is an uncertainty and there'll have to be some arrangement whereby TII deliver the infrastructure, perhaps on a phased basis. The project is too complex for CIE

As I've said before on here. NMN is going ahead based on all the work being carried out by Arup et al. Big unveil come October would be my "guess".

Doesn't really mean anything solid, but it's something:

https://www.twitter.com/TheTMNinja/status/888400172442669056

yannakis wrote:

Let's hope that once the boring machines are around town for MN, they will just jump from project to project with DU being the second most likely.

Does it work like that? 😀

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Yeah sorry about that. I'll lob it up in the morning. Friday afternoon was a disaster zone for me; didn't get out of the office til late.

Oh you titillator

Right so:

In the time that has passed since I last looked at the data a few things have changed. a really interesting P+R has disappeared which is a shame from my own POV as it seemed to have an extension to Ashbourne in mind from its positioning and a new route to the west has emerged.

(As you can imagine I am pretty wary about being too exact with the details and as such the planned .shp file I had considered throwing up, was just too detailed and defo would result in me getting the heave ho, but alas...)

I hope what I do post here satiates ye and if not I'll answer what questions I can.

Routes:

So there seems to be 4 major routes at present and various combinations of these will result in 2 final routes being sent forward for detailed consideration by the NTA. From what I gather this is being done in the next couple of weeks.

These routes aren't exact but should give you an idea. There are dozens of potential routes at present given the station combos but I'll outline 4 and ye can work out what I mean:

Route 1: Balheary P+R >>> Pavilions >>> Airside >>> Airport >>> Dardistown >>> Gullivers >>> Ballymun >>> DCU >>> Glasnevin >>> Prospect >>> city centre stations that are not O'Connell St >>> Charlemont etc...

Route 2: Balheary P+R >>> Swords/Airside/Swords Central >>> Airport >>> Dardistown >>> Gullivers >>> Ballymun >>> Millmount >>> Drumcondra >>> Parnell >>> Tara >>> St Stephen's Green East >>> Charlemont etc...

Route 3: Balheary P+R >>> Swords/Airside/Swords Central >>> Airport >>> Dardistown >>> Gullivers >>> Santry >>> DCU >>> Millmount >>> Drumcondra >>> Mountjoy Square >>> Tara >>> St Stephen's Green East >>> Charlemont etc...

Route 4: Balheary P+R >>> Pavilions >>> Airside >>> Airport >>> Dardistown >>> Gullivers >>> Ballymun >>> Millmount >>> Drumcondra >>> Parnell >>> Tara >>> St Stephen's Green East >>> Charlemont etc...


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So that's the jist. I hope that's okay. My initial post was going to be more detailed but again I'm cognisant of trying to not get sacked. The "city centre stations that are not O'Connell St " is the most interesting (and to my mind sensible) new development as it will avoid OCS getting dug up again, open up the western side of the city to new transport options and be a hub for more expansion on the St Patrick St >>> Harold's Cross >>> Templeogue arterial route in the future... I hope.

I'l get a chance to inquire more during the week. And will let ye know.

Just a couple of questions if you get a chance!

-Any particular reason why Stephens Green has moved from NW to East?
-Would Tara involve a station under Hawkins/Apollo with interchange to Tara Street Station?
-Would there be a proposed interchange with Dart Underground?

For what its worth my favourite route would be: Balheary P+R > Pavillions > Airside > Airport > Daridstown > Gullivers > Ballymun > DCU > Millmount > Drumcondra > Parnell > Tara > SSG > Charlemount etc

Avada wrote: »

My main issue with the lack of O'Connell bridge stop is that it doesn't really connect with the Red Line. I know it's not a long walk, but come on, have we not learnt anything?

It could connect with the Red Line further west at the Four Courts/Smithfield etc.
I'd be in favour of it going west, that area would benefit from the regeneration

Avada wrote: »

Not with any of the 4 routes referred to above it wouldn't.

It connects wth the Red Line with an interchange station west of O'Connell Street.

As I said I didn't detail the CC stations for a reason.

Khuitlio wrote: »

Just a couple of questions if you get a chance!

-Any particular reason why Stephens Green has moved from NW to East?

It's hard to know the reason as this came out of the blue for me last week.

But my guess would be that it aligns better with a potential Tara Stop.

Would Tara involve a station under Hawkins/Apollo with interchange to Tara Street Station?

It's as good a place as any for a station alright.

Would there be a proposed interchange with Dart Underground?

That can't be ascertained at all from this project unfortunately.

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Route 1: Balheary P+R >>> Pavilions >>> Airside >>> Airport >>> Dardistown >>> Gullivers >>> Ballymun >>> DCU >>> Glasnevin >>> Prospect >>> city centre stations that are not O'Connell St >>> Charlemont etc...

That sounds like they would share some of the segregated BXD route on the old railway alignment before tunnelling towards Charlemont street (sounds familiar!).
They'd need an interchange station where it intersects the Maynooth line possibly here https://www.google.ie/maps/@53.3658087,-6.2765847,480m/data=!3m1!1e3

In other words a variation of the tram to the airport(LR3 LCC to Swords via Airport, under Glasnevin (Luas D2) ) proposal below,
from the study of 2015 (https://www.nationaltransport.ie/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Fingal_North_Dublin_Transport_Study_Final_June_2015.pdf) , take a look at page 110 on. I think it would be a mistake to do this

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Route 2: Balheary P+R >>> Swords/Airside/Swords Central >>> Airport >>> Dardistown >>> Gullivers >>> Ballymun >>> Millmount >>> Drumcondra >>> Parnell >>> Tara >>> St Stephen's Green East >>> Charlemont etc...

Where roughly is the Swords/Airside/Swords Central stop located? I presume it is one stop to cover all of those areas? Thx.

A station on SSG East avoids the need to remove the Fusilier's Arch, and the temporary removal of the lake and island in SSG and its reinstatemnt upon the completion of the works. The arch, lake and island removal were necessary on original mn. Better option really, and I suppose it can still be a future DU interchange at that side of the park.