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Dunkirk (Christopher Nolan, 2017)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 948 ✭✭✭El Duda


    Saw Dunkirk at the BFI iMax earlier. They are one of few cinemas showing it in the full 15/70mm format. The resolution was 18K and it looked stunning.

    Just about the most visceral and draining experience imaginable. The scale and scope of this project is hard to comprehend. Nolan has made a Kubrickian leap forward as a film maker. Must be seen in iMax. Well worth it.

    I went to see it with two others and we all almost had an anxiety attack within the first 10 minutes or so. We all agreed that Hanz Zimmer has the oscar in the bag. The score is nerve shredding and relentless. I'm going to have a lay down...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,767 ✭✭✭Ben Gadot


    El Duda wrote: »
    Saw Dunkirk at the BFI iMax earlier. They are one of few cinemas showing it in the full 15/70mm format. The resolution was 18K and it looked stunning.

    Just about the most visceral and draining experience imaginable. The scale and scope of this project is hard to comprehend. Nolan has made a Kubrickian leap forward as a film maker. Must be seen in iMax. Well worth it.

    I went to see it with two others and we all almost had an anxiety attack within the first 10 minutes or so. We all agreed that Hanz Zimmer has the oscar in the bag. The score is nerve shredding and relentless. I'm going to have a lay down...

    https://www.theguardian.com/film/filmblog/2017/jul/19/dunkirk-christopher-nolan-kubrick

    Good shout though this posh Guardian blogger still reckons Nolan falls short. I'm immensely looking forward to it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 948 ✭✭✭El Duda


    The structure of the film is what makes this such a huge film for Nolan. It's risky and experimental. Took me a while to work it out but it's a real achievement from Nolan


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,115 ✭✭✭✭Nervous Wreck


    Structure-wise, very interesting. In almost every other way, this film was really disappointing. The heavyweights among the cast were so very wasted as well. Literally anyone could have played the parts played by Hardy, Murphy and Branagh. If you're getting actors of that calibre, it'd be nice to let them act. Big disappointment overall tbh.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,633 ✭✭✭✭errlloyd


    I immensely enjoyed that. Suspense, survival film with an invisible enemy. If you were to compare this to a Spielberg work it'd be Jaws not Saving Private Ryan.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,416 ✭✭✭FreeOSCAR


    Personally think it might be Nolan's best - At least on par with Inception.
    My arsecheeks stayed clenched from beginning to end.

    To describe it one word - Unrelenting.

    Brilliant film! What going to cinema is all about for me.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 502 ✭✭✭Pero_Bueno


    Absolutely stunning!
    I saw it in 70MM and got a souvenir celluloid too :)
    I´m just speechless right now, Nolan has to be the greatest film maker of all time - easily.

    Unrelenting tension ! and proper action, not that I'm bored with this "just in time" Michael Bay nonsense - proper addictive edge of the seat stuff.
    Just Brilliant!!!
    10/10.

    As Mark Kermode said in his review - Thats a proper blockbuster action movie, if blockbusters can be made like this - why wouldn't they be!

    Can not wait to see it again.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 502 ✭✭✭Pero_Bueno


    errlloyd wrote: »
    I immensely enjoyed that. Suspense, survival film with an invisible enemy. If you were to compare this to a Spielberg work it'd be Jaws not Saving Private Ryan.

    Jesus yeah !
    You never saw the Germans - apart from when Tom Hardy was captured at the end ....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,224 ✭✭✭artvanderlay


    I saw it earlier today because I was at a loose end in town. I'm not a fan of Christopher Nolan, I think he is incredibly over-rated, quite a cold, clinical director with nothing to say, but as usual I saw these mega reviews and thought I'd give it a chance. This film did not change my mind about him.

    I didn't care about any of the characters, to be honest I wanted them all to get blown up they were so unappealing and dull (especially Kenneth Branagh, with his hands behind his back). Jesus, would working class soldiers not be bantering with each other in a situation like this, trying to keep morale up? Just silence throughout, apart from that incredibly irritating score. If this is what good film-making is, then I am completely flummoxed. I hate the look of Nolan movies in general, so dead looking. What was the point of this movie? I wasn't thrilled, I wasn't involved, it was like watching paint dry. Is it too much to expect a little bit of entertainment when I go to the cinema; some good action, some snappy dialogue, some likeable characters, you know like movies used to have???


    On the other hand, I watched Boogie Nights last night...now that was a movie, and it didn't disappear up it's own hole trying to be artistic and sombre. It told a story and had great characters and performances. Anderson showed his technical skills, but integrated this into the storytelling. With Nolan, it's all style/technique, and no substance.

    That is my opinion anyways!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,698 ✭✭✭✭BlitzKrieg


    Tony EH wrote: »
    Quite impressed with the level of detail attempted on the Spitfire Mk1 there. Correct underside colours and topside markings, plus the correct number of outlets for the exhaust. I'm presuming it's a modified Mk5. Or a fantastic restoration. Fingers crossed they can come up with a realistic BF109E as well. More than likely it's be a Buchon. The Spanish post war version that's been relatively successful at masquerading as the Emil for decades now.

    Might head and see this tomorrow night in the IFI.

    Spanish 109s, also seem to be emulating early 109 E1 models as they are firing all machine guns, no cannons. which is a bit ehh history wise as they were mostly replaced with the E3 by the time of Dunkirk. Spirfires were correctly all 303's which looked great and meant Nolan strayed from having the massive mid air explosion nonsense of Red Tails. There is one lovely shot early in the air side things that highlights how pretty it is for the 303s.

    Spitfires are mostly done amazing and air battles are great and intense

    Loved the film, if the only complaints you get out of me are minor inaccuracies in air which I will spoiler

    HE-111 bomber seems to have grown a Bofers cannon as its dorsal turret which made defeaning slow booming shots every time a spit flew near it. Which is wrong, the HE-111 had in 1940 a 7.7mm machine gun in its dorsal and this was later replaced with a 13mm machine gun later in the war, it would never be a cannon. It did have in the later versions a 20mm cannon in its front nose position but the german 20mm both MG FF and 151 had a high rate of fire, so its very inaccurate representation of the HE-111 guns. But not a massive issue
    Also incredibly minor but one of the spitfires that gets shot down, shows getting strafed down the main fuselage behind the pilot from the side and then develops engine issues (billowing white smoke and I think the pilot says his engine is in trouble), but the sort of shots that he took wouldnt have damaged his engines, behind the pilot in a spitfire is mostly empty space except for the cables for his control surfaces (operating his rudder and elevator from the cockpit) which are lethal to a plane if shot out, but thats not what they claim in the film. Its just weird that they had a very reasonable reason for the pilot to go down and opt for another reason instead


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 948 ✭✭✭El Duda


    Complaining that there wasn't any 'banter'

    Facepalm.gif


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,182 ✭✭✭killbillvol2


    El Duda wrote: »
    Complaining that there wasn't any 'banter'

    Facepalm.gif

    Yeah, I'd say the bantz were off the scale as they stood exposed on a pier waiting for the next Stuka.

    I went to see it again yesterday. The lack of dialogue really presses home what an epic disaster the whole campaign was. Those soldiers had just been routed and must have had little hope of being rescued.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42 houlihand


    Really cant wait to see this, huge fan of Christopher Nolan and Hans Zimmer!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,767 ✭✭✭Ben Gadot


    El Duda wrote: »
    Complaining that there wasn't any 'banter'

    Facepalm.gif

    The criticisms against Nolan haven't changed in the last decade and it's the same people who continue to utter them. At this stage I wouldn't be worried about their opinions.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 30,626 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    Pero_Bueno wrote: »
    I´m just speechless right now, Nolan has to be the greatest film maker of all time - easily.

    With all due respect to Nolan, and as someone who appreciates the vast majority of his films (and I am very much looking forward to seeing this today): Jesus god no.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,337 ✭✭✭rockatansky


    Pero_Bueno wrote: »
    Nolan has to be the greatest film maker of all time - easily.

    Calm down there.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭The Rape of Lucretia


    El Duda wrote: »
    We all agreed that Hanz Zimmer has the oscar in the bag.

    With a generous tip of the hat to Elgar though.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭The Rape of Lucretia


    Its gosh darned good alright, a few cliches notwithstanding (why can directors not restrain themselves ?). As an all-action movie it did very well to sustain the pace without either getting draining or repetitive. Curiously cautious in its realism - loosing of the 12s rating would have completed it without the slightly sanitised feel to it (pulling its punch at the very end of many scenes), but nevertheless, was otherwise horrific in its portrayal of a terrible few days.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 30,626 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    Dunkirk does an awful lot of things right, but a few things let it down a little. Overall: a return to form after Interstellar.

    (I've avoided referencing specific plot points here - and ****ing history can't be spoiled anyway :pac: - but I do talk about some of the overarching, general structures so, erm, "spoiler" warning I guess if you really want to go in blind)

    Utmost praise to Nolan for making a film so focused on the experience of war. It is a film of intimacy and relentless peril, the moments the core focus of the filmmaking. A few grand shots of Dunkirk beach aside, it is admirably resistant to indulging in the clichof modern 'epic' filmmaking - while obviously dictated by the actual history, it's impressive to see aerial warfare in particular boiled down to a handful of planes and the moment-to-moment struggles of the pilot, not over-egged with kinetic angles or huge CGI squadrons. For a blockbuster with combat taking place over a large battlefield, it is, by its genre standards, actually kinda restrained! It is pretty much bloodless, but that matters not a jot - many other war films have shown the viscera, this focuses on the visceral.

    A few moments aside, it also never gets bogged down by its plot. There's a few scenes in the second half where things get a bit more emotionally-heavy, but generally speaking it's a lean, efficient picture. For a film that is so visually striking (especially in glorious 70mm - water never looks better than when captured on film!) one of the shots that has stuck with me is one where the camera pulls back on Branagh's character as he helplessly watches a ship sink. It's a simple camera move that IMO articulates all the characterisation and drama it needs to, and the film can move ahead with the more pressing matters. Similarly, an earlier shot through two poles where it 'traps' a large group of soldiers on the beach: simple but visual storytelling. The first 15 minutes are almost dialogue-free, and it has the effect of pulling the viewer immediately into the situation. It's almost a shame when the film gets a bit chattier - this is a primal tale of survival and instinct in many respects, and Nolan and co. capably capture that through an actor's glance here, or a striking angle there.

    Where the film lost me a tad - and I reckon others won't agree with this - is with its 'temporal quirkiness', especially in its second half (I'm tempted to make an Incepting Private Ryan joke here). I think it's an ambitious move, and when it works I reckon it makes an asset out of Nolan's characteristic twitchiness when it comes to editing. He's a filmmaker who always feels eager to get to the next scene, and at its strongest Dunkirk seems formally equipped to embrace a quirk that has weighed some of his earlier work down. Zimmer's score also seems purpose-built - whereas long stretches of a few Nolan films have felt like long montages due to relentless Zimmer-compositions, the constant ticking clock and complex sound design (and holy hell it's delightfully LOUD in the IFI) have a structure to work with. There is a certain coherency to the individual elements here, so they don't overwhelm or underwhelm each other as has happened in some other Nolan's films (the score just completely knocks off the pacing in some parts of TDKR, for example).

    But as the chronology and temporal planes began to align here, it felt sometimes as if we were retreading ground or complicating matters without necessarily getting a whole lot more out of the situations. I almost feel bad criticising it for this, as it's extremely refreshing to see a major blockbuster experiment and depart from straightforward linear storytelling - especially in a way that makes sense for the drama and situation. But the overlap proved a weird mix of satisfying and disjointed, and just felt it was lacking that special something to really sell it.

    Generally, I felt it was a film with an extremely strong opening 50 minutes, and a subsequent 50 minutes that weren't quite as fluent. But there's no shortage of poetic delivery and structural curiosity here, and while it doesn't threaten to dethrone some of the great war films of cinema history, it also (with the aid of a nine-figure budget) captures a moment in history with unconventional clarity and intensity.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭Arcade_Tryer


    Pero_Bueno wrote: »
    Nolan has to be the greatest film maker of all time - easily.
    Would not go that far, but he is the modern day Kubrick.
    Overall: a return to form after Interstellar.
    Interstellar is the modern day 2001, and without doubt Nolan's Magnus Opus.

    I enjoyed Dunkirk, and could feel the fear in the air, as well as the terror on the ground and in the sea. Definitely think they went full retard with Hans Zimmer's score however, and Kenneth Brannagh could have been given a bit more to work with. A great spectacle though, and pulled off in style by Nolan as per usual.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,960 ✭✭✭Dr Crayfish


    Technically brilliant, love the aerial battles, but I enjoy films when I'm taken in by the drama and characters, which didn't happen for me here. The tension I had read in the reviews didn't really materialise for me either. I did enjoy it though, a great achievement.
    Oh and I couldn't hear some of the dialogue, especially from Kenneth B and Mark R.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,300 ✭✭✭✭razorblunt


    I loved it, not quite as much as I thought I would but still great. I think most of this was down to experience of these blockbusters and their usual last minute saves and the like.
    I thought it was excellent at cutting away at the right moment in some aspects as we didn't need to see the horrors unfolding.

    Shattered after watching it though, squeeky bum time from the start.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,870 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    A very competent piece of film-making with a number of set -pieces but like a lot of Nolan films I felt the characters were pretty weak. Probably the best movie that could made on a historic retreat but maybe the subject of movie was just not very interesting to me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,052 ✭✭✭Shelga


    Just back from it, I thought it was great. Extremely gripping, arse-clenching stuff as others have said. :p I love the scores in Nolan's films.

    The timeline trick didn't quite work for me, I must admit I didn't get why it would be nighttime in one scene and then day in the next one, call me dim but there you go. It was only after I came out and looked it up that I realised that's what the mole, sea, air thing was about in the beginning. Doh!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,701 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    Really looking forward to seeing this. The combination of Nolan and Zimmer is a match made in heaven in the same way Spielberg/Williams.

    I love the uniqueness of Nolan films. Inception on paper shouldn't have worked but it did. Looking forward to the the score if nothing else. Never been a war movie fan but for visuals and music Nolan is excellent which is why I loved Interstellar even if the narrative was meh.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,357 ✭✭✭santana75


    Saw this tonight........great movie, simple as that. Didnt want it to end. Tom hardy was brilliant, reckon he could get a best supporting actor nod. Didnt think the hans zimmer score was as good as Interstellar though. Anyway this is the kind of film that restores your faith in films.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,445 ✭✭✭Wailin


    Agree with a poster above. Intersteller is maligned by many but, for me, it's up there with Inception as one of Nolans best. Yes it has many flaws but far outweighed by the brilliance of it.

    Dunkirk was good but I left the cinema tonight feeling cold and a bit underwhelmed. Yes, technically brilliant, but not as enjoyable an experience as I expected. Absolutely love Zimmers music but it just didn't work for me here and was a bit grating.

    A 7/10 for me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,435 ✭✭✭pumpkin4life


    Yeah, a return to form after Interstellar?:confused:

    Interstellar I would happily call one of the greatest movies of the past decade or so though. It's not a perfect by any means, but there's nothing out there like it, not even 2001. It's an utterly spectacular movie.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,960 ✭✭✭Dr Crayfish


    santana75 wrote: »
    Tom hardy was brilliant, reckon he could get a best supporting actor nod.

    For the 5 words he uttered from under a mask? No one did enough in the film to warrant an award for acting.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭Arcade_Tryer


    For the 5 words he uttered from under a mask? No one did enough in the film to warrant an award for acting.
    If Leo played the character we are introduced to at the start and follow throughout the film, he'd be a certain Oscar contender.


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