Tina Satchwell missing in Cork (or Ireland)

Beechwoodspark · 16-07-2017 11:33AM

Half heard Marian finucane going through the papers earlier.

She mentioned this case. Something about the husband saying he would never harm his wife.

So the husband has done yet another media interview.

morebabies · 16-07-2017 11:33AM

Another perspective on Richard Satchwell in the media today, though not a very helpful one - his estranged family in England, who haven't seen or heard from him in between 20 and 30 years, and who didn't even know about Tina's disappearance, say "he's just not the type" to be responsible for anything untoward.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.thesun.ie/news/1272669/tina-satchwell-husbands-family-insist-hes-not-a-suspect-over-wifes-disappearance/amp/

Ann22 · 16-07-2017 11:39AM

Sminkypinky wrote:

Would you be surprised to learn that the car did not exist, nor was any child seen struggling inside said car? The UK police put that out to make their chief suspect (Huntley) think that they were looking for someone else.

I would believe that. I'm in no doubt that there's a huge investigation going on behind the scenes.
Any comments from the guards will be carefully thought about as the suspected parties will also hear it and will act according to what they hear. It will either serve to forewarn them into covering their tracks or it may invite them into acting a certain way. Like in the case of Nicholas Kay in the UK who murdered his wife after she caught him in bed with their lodger. A cop rang him up and said a body had been found(which hadn't been). They had the house bugged and listened in to him and his girlfriend panicking after the phone call, where they gave themselves away.
We will hear about this particular investigation if and when it ends with someone being charged and the court case is on. It happens every time.
The police in every country are subjected to half witted public abuse while they're under immense pressure from their superiors and working around the clock to solve murder/suspected murder cases.
I personally believe they are hoping and praying the person responsible will eventually give themselves away. I wouldn't be surprised if he'd rather make headlines being caught or in making a dramatic confession than to fade into obscurity.

JMNolan · 17-07-2017 09:37AM

I see Neil Prenderville has offered to pay and arrange a lie detector test for Richard.

Shurimgreat · 17-07-2017 09:40AM

I think we can be assured of one thing, this woman is deceased and ain't coming back. Anyone who thinks she is just hiding out is naÃ¯ve. Its been put about by the husband that she is probably just hiding somewhere. And unfortunately some of his bull**** has been swallowed hook line and sinker by many on here, who naively think she is in hiding.

Hopefully the gardai are not that naÃ¯ve. But so far I am not filled with confidence about their handling of this case. Their efforts to gain or process evidence seems a bit lax.

Anyone would think we had the world's best police force from reading some of the comments on this thread! Have some people been living in a cave recently?

Canyon86 · 17-07-2017 09:41AM

JMNolan wrote: »

I see Neil Prenderville has offered to pay and arrange a lie detector test for Richard.

Clever move by Prenderville, listeners will increase lol

Shurimgreat · 17-07-2017 09:42AM

JMNolan wrote: »

I see Neil Prenderville has offered to pay and arrange a lie detector test for Richard.

He won't take the lie detector test. He's not that stupid. But good ploy from Prenderville to call the husband's bluff.

CeilingFly · 17-07-2017 09:54AM

Shurimgreat wrote: »

I think we can be assured of one thing, this woman is deceased and ain't coming back. Anyone who thinks she is just hiding out is naïve. Its been put about by the husband that she is probably just hiding somewhere. And unfortunately some of his bull**** has been swallowed hook line and sinker by many on here, who naively think she is in hiding.

Hopefully the gardai are not that naïve. But so far I am not filled with confidence about their handling of this case. Their efforts to gain or process evidence seems a bit lax.

Anyone would think we had the world's best police force from reading some of the comments on this thread! Have some people been living in a cave recently?

Have you ANY and I mean ANY evidence of anything lax by the gardai? Remember she was just another missing person for the first few weeks and no reason for it to be suspected as anything else - or do you think the gardai should treat every missing person case (3 a day on average) as potential murder?

And yes human nature will mean that you will convince yourself that there is hope when someone close to you is alive after going missing. You never want to belive they are gone until you see evidence. Maybe you don't believe in human nature?

I would agree with you that it is likely that she is not alive but the most plausible reason is suicide in the sea based on weather and tidal conditions from the 20th - 24th March pushing the body well out of reach of being found.

On your constant believing (and base of your flawed surmising) of the rubbish spewn by newspapers - I read a UK political & satirical magazine called Private Eye. They have a column called "street of shame" about the major errors and misinformation made weekly in the British print media. It used to take up about 1/4 of a page - it now takes up two pages EVERY week and the most mentioned rag is the Daliy Mail followed by the Sun. So believe jack sh1t what is printed in the media - the truth is of no concern whatsoever to them.

Ahorseofaman · 17-07-2017 09:57AM

Shurimgreat wrote: »

. But so far I am not filled with confidence about their handling of this case. Their efforts to gain or process evidence seems a bit lax.

Based on the fact your not getting daily updates direct from the Gardai?You have no idea what they have done to forward this case except what they have let the public know.There are all sorts of reasons to not share everything with the public not least to not alert a suspect to their every move.

Gadgetman496 · 17-07-2017 10:00AM

I'll ask again, why have the Guards never released a description of the two suitcases? Do they even believe they existed?

If they did, would you really bring two suitcases with you if you were intending on entering the water?

fepper · 17-07-2017 10:27AM

Gadgetman496 wrote: »

I'll ask again, why have the Guards never released a description of the two suitcases? Do they even believe they existed?

If they did, would you really bring two suitcases with you if you were intending on entering the water?

If she was found drowned,the cases would be irrelevant at that point but it gives the impression that she went away voluntary rather than just vanishing,he'd be suspected more of wrongdoing

Gadgetman496 · 17-07-2017 10:32AM

fepper wrote: »

If she was found drowned,the cases would be irrelevant at that point

But what if the cases were found before her? Would it, could it, give the Guards some sense of the direction she went in, if she did in fact go somewhere as opposed to being brought somewhere?

mikeybrennan · 17-07-2017 10:33AM

I would assume the gardai are lax based on past history in these cases

The killer would nearly have to confess for them to get a conviction

fepper · 17-07-2017 10:45AM

Gadgetman496 wrote: »

But what if the cases were found before her? Would it, could it, give the Guards some since of the direction she went in, if she did in fact go somewhere as opposed to being brought somewhere?

With pictures of her up all over the media,she'd stand out more than the suitcases id think,again it looks like " I need time out to myself" and its out of his hands as to what she could possibly do,the phantom suitcases I think make it more believable

Shurimgreat · 17-07-2017 11:39AM

Ahorseofaman wrote: »

Based on the fact your not getting daily updates direct from the Gardai?You have no idea what they have done to forward this case except what they have let the public know.There are all sorts of reasons to not share everything with the public not least to not alert a suspect to their every move.

Based on a number of things.
There are all sorts of reasons to share information with the public.
A description of the suitcases is a good start as gadgetman said.
Also a reconstruction of her possible last known movements to help jog people's memories. This would be standard practice and has been done in previous missing persons cases.
When it comes to missing persons, gathering evidence early is crucial, as evidence can degrade or disappear the longer it goes on. This is fairly basic stuff and not rocket science.
Maybe the gardai need to change how they approach missing persons cases. If someone is still missing after a week, then make more of an effort to gather evidence such as searching the persons home. Waiting 3 months to search their home is pointless and looks more like a PR exercise than anything else.

tara73 · 17-07-2017 11:55AM

mikeybrennan wrote: »

I would assume the gardai are lax based on past history in these cases

The killer would nearly have to confess for them to get a conviction

this is the thing. and if they didn't find her (body) in the house, it is very, very much effort combined with very, very much luck, to find a trace or even the body. and without a body it is very hard to convict anybody as the murderer, even if there are every evidences otherwise.

as said, saw many documentaries (and before somebody jumps in again it's only TV, no they are real cases and they show exactly every step what's done, in a forensic way, with DNA and everything, very fascinating) and besides all other important evidences, the important one would be to find the body. without the body, very difficult to convict somebody.
it's a very complex thing for the investigators.

Gadgetman496 · 17-07-2017 12:05PM

Were there any local searches carried out? Waste ground, woodlands. farmland outhouses, rivers, coastline etc.

Sminkypinky · 17-07-2017 12:10PM

I'm amazed that a certain serial poster on this thread is convinced of the husband's guilt despite any evidence to support it.
(Birmingham Six, Guildford Four, etc.)
It's still entirely possible that she upped and off one day.
Absence of evidence does not mean it was the husband wot dunnit.

fepper · 17-07-2017 12:28PM

Sminkypinky wrote: »

I'm amazed that a certain serial poster on this thread is convinced of the husband's guilt despite any evidence to support it.
(Birmingham Six, Guildford Four, etc.)
It's still entirely possible that she upped and off one day.
Absence of evidence does not mean it was the husband wot dunnit.

There also isn't a whole lot of evidence that what happened that morning in youghal actually happened so its logical to have reservations on his statements so far

Sminkypinky · 17-07-2017 12:33PM

fepper wrote: »

Sminkypinky wrote: »

I'm amazed that a certain serial poster on this thread is convinced of the husband's guilt despite any evidence to support it.
(Birmingham Six, Guildford Four, etc.)
It's still entirely possible that she upped and off one day.
Absence of evidence does not mean it was the husband wot dunnit.

There also isn't a whole lot of evidence that what happened that morning in youghal actually happened so its logical to have reservations on his statements so far

I agree. But here isn't really any evidence for any of the theories which are going around.
That's why I'm keeping an open mind on it.
The poster I referred to doesn't have any reservations - he's tried and convicted the husband already.

fepper · 17-07-2017 01:10PM

Sminkypinky wrote: »

I agree. But here isn't really any evidence for any of the theories which are going around.
That's why I'm keeping an open mind on it.
The poster I referred to doesn't have any reservations - he's tried and convicted the husband already.

That could be the problem that this "missing" was well planned and any evidence is kept to a minimum

Shurimgreat · 17-07-2017 01:17PM

Sminkypinky wrote: »

I'm amazed that a certain serial poster on this thread is convinced of the husband's guilt despite any evidence to support it.
(Birmingham Six, Guildford Four, etc.)
It's still entirely possible that she upped and off one day.
Absence of evidence does not mean it was the husband wot dunnit.

Who is the serial poster in question? And where did they say the husband is definitely guilty?

Or did the serial poster merely question some statements of the husband and also question the alleged circumstances of her disappearance.

Big difference.

From my own point of view, there is no evidence to suggest this woman is still alive. A proper investigation needs to be carried out rather than a half-a*sed one. That's all some posters are asking for. They are not looking to frame someone innocent, more a proper investigation to get at the truth.

tara73 · 17-07-2017 01:19PM

Gadgetman496 wrote: »

Were there any local searches carried out? Waste ground, woodlands. farmland outhouses, rivers, coastline etc.

I asked this questions before here, Youghal is located on the coastline/bay so it would make much sense to search these. Nobody seems to know they did this and nothing about it in the media, I find this very strange. It's not that such a search has to be kept secret regarding the investigations, the opposite, I think the public should be informed about this.

But it's probably the bitter reality, not enough man power or equipment to do this and last but not least it cost a huge amount of money. So simple, if they didn't do this, Tina Satchwell isn't worth this money. Pretty bad.

Shurimgreat · 17-07-2017 01:21PM

Gadgetman496 wrote: »

Were there any local searches carried out? Waste ground, woodlands. farmland outhouses, rivers, coastline etc.

Doesn't look like it unless someone can suggest otherwise. Did the gardai even ask local farmers to examine their land?

Gadgetman496 · 17-07-2017 02:04PM

Shurimgreat wrote: »

Doesn't look like it unless someone can suggest otherwise. Did the gardai even ask local farmers to examine their land?

I live in a coastal city with a huge amount of waterways too and unfortunately we suffer very frequent incidents of loss of life through self harm each year. The rescue helicopters are hear almost on a daily basis, so often in fact that one would be forgiven for thinking they are based here. That said, the minute someone goes missing here for whatever reason, the relevant services organise a search, every time without fault.

fepper · 17-07-2017 02:07PM

tara73 wrote: »

I asked this questions before here, Youghal is located on the coastline/bay so it would make much sense to search these. Nobody seems to know they did this and nothing about it in the media, I find this very strange. It's not that such a search has to be kept secret regarding the investigations, the opposite, I think the public should be informed about this.

But it's probably the bitter reality, not enough man power or equipment to do this and last but not least it cost a huge amount of money. So simple, if they didn't do this, Tina Satchwell isn't worth this money. Pretty bad.

I don't think they were organised searches for those women missing up the country either so why would it be any different here and they hope she turns up in some form

Shurimgreat · 17-07-2017 02:20PM

Gadgetman496 wrote: »

I live in a coastal city with a huge amount of waterways too and unfortunately we suffer very frequent incidents of loss of life through self harm each year. The rescue helicopters are hear almost on a daily basis, so often in fact that one would be forgiven for thinking they are based here. That said, the minute someone goes missing here for whatever reason, the relevant services organise a search, every time without fault.

The same here. When someone goes missing in a coastal area, they are most of the time presumed to have fallen into the sea or waterways close to the sea. When someone disappears off the face of the earth, you should assume either they are alive and in hiding or else dead and it becomes a case of recovering a body. Very little effort put into the latter search so far, even thought the likelihood is its a body recovery situation.

fepper · 17-07-2017 02:25PM

Gadgetman496 wrote: »

I live in a coastal city with a huge amount of waterways too and unfortunately we suffer very frequent incidents of loss of life through self harm each year. The rescue helicopters are hear almost on a daily basis, so often in fact that one would be forgiven for thinking they are based here. That said, the minute someone goes missing here for whatever reason, the relevant services organise a search, every time without fault.

Younger people usually have organised searches if missing

Gadgetman496 · 17-07-2017 02:29PM

fepper wrote: »

Younger people usually have organised searches if missing

Age is irrelevant, here at least. Once someone goes missing a search is oranised.

Shurimgreat · 17-07-2017 02:55PM

Gadgetman496 wrote: »

Age is irrelevant, here at least. Once someone goes missing a search is oranised.

That's the thing Gadgetman. A doubt has been sown as to whether she is dead or in fact alive and in hiding. This doubt may have delayed any search, as people adopt a wait and see attitude.

I think as this stage people should assume the worst and search accordingly. The idea she is in hiding has at this stage very little credibility I'm afraid. No-one would be happier if she turned up alive but at this stage its unlikely. But because of the doubt, its possible a widescale search has been delayed.

Tina Satchwell missing in Cork (or Ireland)

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