Tina Satchwell missing in Cork (or Ireland)

incaseiforget

Apologies in advance if I am mistaken...did her husband state that they were at a car boot sale the day before she went missing in either Carrigtwohill or Rathcormac and that she was telling anyone who would listen that she loved her husband so much etc
I assume the guards have checked this out and that they were actually where he said they were...and it was four days before she was reported missing and not more.

Gadgetman496

dense wrote: »

Well there's no evidence that they ever existed.
We are being asked by him to believe they did.
Sure, of course they might have, but to actually believe that, we must trust the person telling us.
Should we trust him? Why? Can you vouch for him?

Why would anyone believe something coming from some random person they don't know?

That's not to say I think he did anything, just making a point about not accepting anything that can't be verified.

Exactly, it can't be verified the cases existed, nor can it be verified they did not.

freshpopcorn

incaseiforget wrote: »

Apologies in advance if I am mistaken...did her husband state that they were at a car boot sale the day before she went missing in either Carrigtwohill or Rathcormac and that she was telling anyone who would listen that she loved her husband so much etc
I assume the guards have checked this out and that they were actually where he said they were...and it was four days before she was reported missing and not more.

He said they were at a carboot sale the day before. Originally he said it was in Castletownroche to the best of my knowledge but then he said Carrigtwohill.
I would assume they did but anything I've being at a car boot sale people tend to be on the run if Gardai are around!

fepper

Gadgetman496 wrote: »

Exactly, it can't be verified the cases existed, nor can it be verified they did not.

i wonder ,are the investigating garda in all honesty assuming she probably had not suitcases or cash

incaseiforget

freshpopcorn wrote: »

He said they were at a carboot sale the day before. Originally he said it was in Castletownroche to the best of my knowledge but then he said Carrigtwohill.
I would assume they did but anything I've being at a car boot sale people tend to be on the run if Gardai are around!

Yes...sorry ...Castletownroche (not Rathcormac as I stated) then changed to Carrigtwohill.
And I agree...there tends to be an almighty scatter!
I was wondering because after her husband being on Neil Prenderville etc etc I thought he may have got a call from someone to say they remembered seeing her ...needless to say you would hope they would go to the Gardai first!

fepper

incaseiforget wrote: »

Yes...sorry ...Castletownroche.
And I agree...there tends to be an almighty scatter!
I was wondering because after her husband being on Neil Prenderville etc etc I thought he may have got a call from someone to say they remembered seeing her ...needless to say you would hope they would go to the Gardai first!

he looks to be saying things that no one can verify incl that love him statement at car boot sale

incaseiforget

fepper wrote: »

he looks to be saying things that no one can verify incl that love him statement at car boot sale

Exactly what I was thinking...

Ann22

fepper wrote:

he looks to be saying things that no one can verify incl that love him statement at car boot sale

That was a fabrication imo. If they were out drinking I'd believe it quicker.

Sminkypinky

Ann22 wrote: »

fepper wrote:

he looks to be saying things that no one can verify incl that love him statement at car boot sale

That was a fabrication imo. If they were out drinking I'd believe it quicker.

Agreed. It's a pretty strange thing to go around saying to strangers at a car boot sale.
But then, they do seem to be a slightly strange couple.
One gets the impression that a) she just wanted to stay at home with her furbabies, clothes and sun-bed, and be pampered whilst he ran around taking her here and there and running errands for her.
Or b) He's a bit of a control freak who wanted to keep her at home, away from everyone else, and had gradually made her wholly dependent on him.
Maybe the money did exist (got my doubts about that) and she decided to break free?
Can we assume that if she'd been planning to make a break she would have researched online (or been chatting to an accomplice) and the Guards will have checked her phone etc. for online activity and they've ruled that out?

tara73

Sminkypinky wrote: »

Agreed. It's a pretty strange thing to go around saying to strangers at a car boot sale.

I was thinking this too, but after a bit of thinking it might have been her way of saying goodbye to her husband. That she loves him and don't want to intentionally hurt him, kind of also saying sorry. Just a thought, if she had everything planned to self harm the next day.
Don't think thoughts are very rational anymore if one is 100% sure doing it the next day.

Sminkypinky

tara73 wrote: »

Sminkypinky wrote: »

Agreed. It's a pretty strange thing to go around saying to strangers at a car boot sale.

I was thinking this too, but after a bit of thinking it might have been her way of saying goodbye to her husband. That she loves him and don't want to intentionally hurt him, kind of also saying sorry. Just a thought, if she had everything planned to self harm the next day.
Don't think thoughts are very rational anymore if one is 100% sure doing it the next day.

Good point. I hadn't thought about that.

morebabies

Sminkypinky wrote: »

Agreed. It's a pretty strange thing to go around saying to strangers at a car boot sale.
But then, they do seem to be a slightly strange couple.
One gets the impression that a) she just wanted to stay at home with her furbabies, clothes and sun-bed, and be pampered whilst he ran around taking her here and there and running errands for her.
Or b) He's a bit of a control freak who wanted to keep her at home, away from everyone else, and had gradually made her wholly dependent on him.
Maybe the money did exist (got my doubts about that) and she decided to break free?
Can we assume that if she'd been planning to make a break she would have researched online (or been chatting to an accomplice) and the Guards will have checked her phone etc. for online activity and they've ruled that out?

Yeah that's what has struck me too. For example, where are her friends?? We've heard from her estranged family and his estranged family, but no close friends of either of them have come forward to say anything about it at all. So I get the feeling the relationship was one where he felt he was enough for her, why would she need anyone else, friend, family or otherwise, which isn't a very healthy state of affairs.

And this seems to be the line many of his interviews, I gave her everything she could have wanted, she had a dream life, her clothes took up an entire floor of the house, etc.

And this makes me wonder if he's trying to justify something that happened. They had only moved to Youghal relatively recently, and maybe because she was more outgoing than him, he felt jealous of any potential friendships she made, and questioned why she would need anything other than him. To look for friendships elsewhere would have perhaps been seen as an insult, considering everything he had provided for her. Pure speculation of course.

Alternatively he may just be worried she has gone off with someone else and is questioning out loud why she would have wanted to leave him.

ThunderCat

Gadgetman496 wrote: »

Exactly, it can't be verified the cases existed, nor can it be verified they did not.

I said it here before but one potential way of confirming their existence would be to ask him where was the last place they stayed in where they had the cases with them. If he says something like Galway in the Spring of 2016 but can't remember dates or what hotel then it can be cross referenced with his email inbox (most people book hotels online and receive email confirmation) and credit card statements (transactions for the hotel should be present). From there they can determine the exact hotel and exact date and the CCTV from that hotel can be used to verify the existence of those cases. They would already have a description of what those cases look like after all. Might be more telling in exposing a lie than the existence of a suitcase.

fepper

ThunderCat wrote: »

I said it here before but one potential way of confirming their existence would be to ask him where was the last place they stayed in where they had the cases with them. If he says something like Galway in the Spring of 2016 but can't remember dates or what hotel then it can be cross referenced with his email inbox (most people book hotels online and receive email confirmation) and credit card statements (transactions for the hotel should be present). From there they can determine the exact hotel and exact date and the CCTV from that hotel can be used to verify the existence of those cases. They would already have a description of what those cases look like after all. Might be more telling in exposing a lie than the existence of a suitcase.

Its not the physicality of having those suitcases but the scene that's being portrayed to the public of her making a conscious decision to go away and they'd tick that box

incaseiforget

Ann22 wrote: »

That was a fabrication imo. If they were out drinking I'd believe it quicker.

Me too. ..and I think if these proclamations were being made at a car boot , people would certainly remember...but has it been confirmed that TIna was at the car boot sale ?

tara73

ThunderCat wrote: »

I said it here before but one potential way of confirming their existence would be to ask him where was the last place they stayed in where they had the cases with them. If he says something like Galway in the Spring of 2016 but can't remember dates or what hotel then it can be cross referenced with his email inbox (most people book hotels online and receive email confirmation) and credit card statements (transactions for the hotel should be present). From there they can determine the exact hotel and exact date and the CCTV from that hotel can be used to verify the existence of those cases. They would already have a description of what those cases look like after all. Might be more telling in exposing a lie than the existence of a suitcase.

yes, he can also say they bought them at a car boot sale and never used them before, they were bulky refuse on the street to be collected, took them and never used them before, or, or, or, many other options excluding a CCTV capture.

ThunderCat

tara73 wrote: »

yes, he can also say they bought them at a car boot sale and never used them before, they were bulky refuse on the street to be collected, took them and never used them before, or, or, or, many other options excluding a CCTV capture.

Yes lots of different scenarios possible with regards the cases but no harm asking the question. People use cases to go away with after all, weather they were bought in a store or car boot sale.

qhe0i9zvfgdou8

ThunderCat wrote:

the existence of a suitcase.

I have no doubt in my mind that they don't exist nor the 26k

fepper

If the situation was he came back from aldi,Tina not there,nothing missing,reported her as missing to garda after searching around youghal,sea close by,it would be an open and shut case as he'd be saying that she was not in a great place for a while ie.crying and we'd be thinking she couldn't cope and did the inevitable,another tragic case,but by god,didn't Mr satchwell complicate it

valoren

Cooper Many Moron wrote: »

I have no doubt in my mind that they don't exist nor the 26k

Very easy to ask for proof such a sum of money was accrued from a house sale.
Say house was sold 18 months ago, and a net profit of €35,000 was settled on.
That money was not handed over in an envelope stuffed with 50 euro notes. The cheque must have been deposited. He has said it was money from the proceeds of that sale and not money that was accrued over many years.
So please provide statements that show the withdrawals in the intervening period from the deposit of the cheque to the day she disappeared which totals 26k. €300 here, €250 there over that time. Only that will ascertain the veracity of this significant amount of cash. When applying for a mortgage they go through statements with a fine tooth comb as part of risk assessment. Regular withdrawals are queried (you might have a gambling problem for example). It's no stretch that dealing with a missing persons case to ask for financial outgoings is not a big ask.

If the sum can't be accounted for without any doubt then it's fair to say that this 26k is simply a red herring. It must be then deemed a falsehood. And it then follows if that is false then what else have you said that is false.....

dense

morebabies wrote: »

Yeah that's what has struck me too. For example, where are her friends?? We've heard from her estranged family and his estranged family, but no close friends of either of them have come forward to say anything about it at all.

Realistically she hasn't been seen by anyone in years other than her husband, going strictly by what's in the public domain. A lady that nobody has remembered. It's both worrying and sad.

So, as someone said earlier, she might actually be missing for a year or more. As you say, no one from any of these numerous car boot sales where the love was being spread has surfaced.
Not that they are obliged to, publicly, I appreciate that.

Wonder did she have any interactions with any state services, HSE or DSP and when the last time was, or financial institutions.

It's very sad and a bit strange that her disappearance in March seems to have been noted by just one person in the whole country, her husband.

freshpopcorn

dense wrote: »

So, as someone said earlier, she might actually be missing for a year or more. As you say, no one from any of these numerous car boot sales where the love was being spread has surfaced.
Not that they are obliged to, publicly, I appreciate that.

She used often visit Charity Shops around the country, so these people might remember her as well!

Gadgetman496

Isn't this another incredible story?

Frozen bodies of couple missing 75 years found in Alps

incaseiforget

dense wrote: »

Realistically she hasn't been seen by anyone in years other than her husband, going strictly by what's in the public domain. A lady that nobody has remembered. It's both worrying and sad.

So, as someone said earlier, she might actually be missing for a year or more. As you say, no one from any of these numerous car boot sales where the love was being spread has surfaced.
Not that they are obliged to, publicly, I appreciate that.

Wonder did she have any interactions with any state services, HSE or DSP and when the last time was, or financial institutions.

It's very sad and a bit strange that her disappearance in March seems to have been noted by just one person in the whole country, her husband.

Well said. Very sad. I know there has been Crime Call , various interviews with both her husband and family - whose phone numbers, according to her husband , she didn't even have _ but not one other single human being has made a whimper _ no appeals on social media from friends appealing to " please share this post" etc that I have seen and I am living in East Cork..No one saying "oh I only spoke to/saw Tina last Thurs " etc
Just really sad.

fepper

incaseiforget wrote: »

Well said. Very sad. I know there has been Crime Call , various interviews with both her husband and family - whose phone numbers, according to her husband , she didn't even have _ but not one other single human being has made a whimper _ no appeals on social media from friends appealing to " please share this post" etc that I have seen and I am living in East Cork..No one saying "oh I only spoke to/saw Tina last Thurs " etc
Just really sad.

That gives him great control on what he says about her to the media as no one it seems knows nothing bout her to contradict him and that date could also be false and if it is,obviously something came up that he had to go public with this bar being a genuine missing case,could it be a DSP inspector wanting to interview her or them together if claiming payment as he committed fraud with them before

incaseiforget

fepper wrote: »

That gives him great control on what he says about her to the media as no one it seems knows nothing bout her to contradict him

Yes. Great control.

chickendinner

dense wrote: »

Realistically she hasn't been seen by anyone in years other than her husband, going strictly by what's in the public domain. A lady that nobody has remembered. It's both worrying and sad.

So, as someone said earlier, she might actually be missing for a year or more. As you say, no one from any of these numerous car boot sales where the love was being spread has surfaced.
Not that they are obliged to, publicly, I appreciate that.

Wonder did she have any interactions with any state services, HSE or DSP and when the last time was, or financial institutions.

It's very sad and a bit strange that her disappearance in March seems to have been noted by just one person in the whole country, her husband.

Not sure how you fabricated this, the guard on crimecall verified that she was independently witnessed at the car boot sale.
He even goes further to state this was the last known sighting of Tina as it cuts to her husband saying he seen her the next day.

qhe0i9zvfgdou8

wrote:

Very easy to ask for proof such a sum of money was accrued from a house sale.

I think the Gardai know there are no suitcases or money. They're just waiting for him to slip up. And slip up he will.

Stonedpilot

I think she just did a runner on him and he's in shock, and has handled things badly, like anyone in complete shock would do.

I remember being in shock after getting bad news in the past and drove my car straight into the back of another car 15 minutes later. Shock/grief/bad news makes people react in odd/strange ways.

I think he's innocent.

Most of the Clouseau's here would have him facing back to back life sentences without even a trial. Amazing insinuation going on.

fepper

Cooper Many Moron wrote: »

I think the Gardai know there are no suitcases or money. They're just waiting for him to slip up. And slip up he will.

If she turned up drowned,that'd finish investigation,and probable cause of death would be suicide(I know thats morbid)