Dairy chit chat II

GrasstoMilk · 15-07-2017 05:28PM

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

Lol.
I was expecting someone to say grass...but jersey bull!!

There's a saying about horses...a good big one is always better than a good small one...
IMO same goes for cows.

I'll send him over next week. Rearing to go already

Gawddawggonnit · 15-07-2017 05:50PM

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

I'll send him over next week. Rearing to go already

That yoke makes me feel nauseous.
Does he come with stilts?

whelan2 · 15-07-2017 05:51PM

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

I'll send him over next week. Rearing to go already

What age is he? What's the plan for him? Would you be better off getting rid as a calf?

Mooooo · 15-07-2017 06:11PM

My 2.5 year old hol is gone in test., anyone with croosbred get hit with valuation from department If gone down?

Mooooo · 15-07-2017 06:20PM

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

35.9 across the lot.

Have they been at that yield before with higher protein? Stage of lactation? Anything else in that diet that may effect the protein.? Have replacements the genetics for solids?

Gawddawggonnit · 15-07-2017 06:24PM

Mooooo wrote: »

Have they been at that yield before with higher protein? Stage of lactation? Anything else in that diet that may effect the protein.? Have replacements the genetics for solids?

Ah yea. Pr always around 3.3 - 3.4.

yosemitesam1 · 15-07-2017 07:05PM

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

Ah yea. Pr always around 3.3 - 3.4.

Did anything change recently?

I'd say the protein is a bit low, it looks like there's less room there compared to energy supply. Maybe a kg extra of soy or rape meal?

blackdog1 · 15-07-2017 07:06PM

Gawddawggonnit wrote:

35.9 across the lot.

If your getting that pr with that yield I'd say if you want to get higher you might have to do it through breeding. ... your on a tmr not grass based diet so most people on here won't be an expert in this Area.

jaymla627 · 15-07-2017 07:11PM

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

OK Guys, question for the experts.

Cows indoor on full tmr of....
11kgdm forage maize (31%dm 39% starch).
3kgdm sorghum silage (25%dm 11.7%pr)
5kgdm grass silage (27%dm 17.1%pr 81dmd).
500g good hay.
3.3kg maize crimp.
3.5kg soya crimp.

Solids 2.9pr (!), 4.3bf, milk urea 33.4.

I just can't figure why protein is so low. I've had two experts in to try and get to the bottom of this but no solutions.

Virtual case of wine to anyone that can solve this riddle.

Could overall diet be a bit steep with maize if you subbed out 4kgs of forage maize with extra silage, and drop out the sorghum and go in with lucerne if available it should solve your problems I'd reckon

mahoney_j · 15-07-2017 07:19PM

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

Many litres?

Welcome back .....

Gawddawggonnit · 15-07-2017 07:37PM

jaymla627 wrote: »

Could overall diet be a bit steep with maize if you subbed out 4kgs of forage maize with extra silage, and drop out the sorghum and go in with lucerne if available it should solve your problems I'd reckon

Dropping the sorghum by 2kg and replacing it with 2kg lucerne was going to be the next move. They definitely need the maize to hold onto production I'd think.

Waffletraktor · 15-07-2017 08:08PM

mahoney_j wrote: »

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

Many litres?

Welcome back .....

Must be ran out of gmail accounts soon.

mf240 · 15-07-2017 08:30PM

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

OK Guys, question for the experts.

Cows indoor on full tmr of....
11kgdm forage maize (31%dm 39% starch).
3kgdm sorghum silage (25%dm 11.7%pr)
5kgdm grass silage (27%dm 17.1%pr 81dmd).
500g good hay.
3.3kg maize crimp.
3.5kg soya crimp.

Solids 2.9pr (!), 4.3bf, milk urea 33.4.

I just can't figure why protein is so low. I've had two experts in to try and get to the bottom of this but no solutions.

Virtual case of wine to anyone that can solve this riddle.

What are dungs like. Many maize grains in it.

Presume you have lots of feed space water ect.

A curve ball. Are you vaccinating for ibr?

Welcome back .

GrasstoMilk · 15-07-2017 08:45PM

whelan2 wrote: »

What age is he? What's the plan for him? Would you be better off getting rid as a calf?

5 months old. Kept as a teaser along with 3 others but looking at his grand mothers figures there this evening I might keep him as a bull.
She did 7300l last year and 623 kgs MS from about 800 kgs of meal

jaymla627 · 15-07-2017 09:17PM

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

5 months old. Kept as a teaser along with 3 others but looking at his grand mothers figures there this evening I might keep him as a bull.
She did 7300l last year and 623 kgs MS from about 800 kgs of meal

Their dangerous little b***s pure jersey bulls, get bold very quickly and can do you in a second with them being so small and nimble, worked at a place that ran 500 heifers with 15 jersey bulls in the middle of them would open your eyes to how lethal they are....

GrasstoMilk · 15-07-2017 09:22PM

jaymla627 wrote: »

Their dangerous little b***s pure jersey bulls, get bold very quickly and can do you in a second with them being so small and nimble, worked at a place that ran 500 heifers with 15 jersey bulls in the middle of them would open your eyes to how lethal they are....

Ah know all about them. Have 2 this year. No issues yet. We put a ring and a length of chain on to keep them quiet

whelan2 · 15-07-2017 09:28PM

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

Ah know all about them. Have 2 this year. No issues yet. We put a ring and a length of chain on to keep them quiet

ANY trouble with the chain being caught in things always thought the chain made them madder for some reason, they only have to hold their head to the side, Saw a bull getting a terrible doing when he got the chain caught around an electric fence

yewtree · 15-07-2017 09:37PM

mf240 wrote: »

What are dungs like. Many maize grains in it.

Presume you have lots of feed space water ect.

A curve ball. Are you vaccinating for ibr?

Welcome back .

+1

Had an issue with protein few years ago turned out to be ibr, cows were down in milk aswell with doesnt seem to be case in this instance

GrasstoMilk · 15-07-2017 09:39PM

whelan2 wrote: »

ANY trouble with the chain being caught in things always thought the chain made them madder for some reason, they only have to hold their head to the side, Saw a bull getting a terrible doing when he got the chain caught around an electric fence

No issues yet. But if that scenario happened me it would be straight for the wire cutters and cut the wire. Had a run in with a friesan teaser last year that wouldn't leave a paddock.

whelan2 · 15-07-2017 09:43PM

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

No issues yet. But if that scenario happened me it would be straight for the wire cutters and cut the wire. Had a run in with a friesan teaser last year that wouldn't leave a paddock.

Happened to a bull in the ag college I was in. I was working there for the summer. Went for cows at 5.30 am, the noise of the bull was unreal, dont know how long he was caught on the wire, I turned off the fence first and then went for help, no mobile phones in those days. Put me off ever using a chain

pedigree 6 · 16-07-2017 12:03AM

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

OK Guys, question for the experts.

Cows indoor on full tmr of....
11kgdm forage maize (31%dm 39% starch).
3kgdm sorghum silage (25%dm 11.7%pr)
5kgdm grass silage (27%dm 17.1%pr 81dmd).
500g good hay.
3.3kg maize crimp.
3.5kg soya crimp.

Solids 2.9pr (!), 4.3bf, milk urea 33.4.

I just can't figure why protein is so low. I've had two experts in to try and get to the bottom of this but no solutions.

Virtual case of wine to anyone that can solve this riddle.

Ask your two experts if there's enough UIP (Undegradable intake protein) in that diet.
High producing cows in a warm temperature environment especially need enough UIP.
Recommended %'s are in the link below.

http://www.milkproduction.com/Library/Scientific-articles/Nutrition/Protein/

Other than there's a few studies into milk protein % drops in heat stressed cows which seems to effect the protein ( certain casein over another) more than fat in milk.
This is the latest study. Disregard the climate change paragraph.
http://www.academia.edu/18084930/Effect_of_summer_season_on_milk_protein_fractions_in_Holstein_cows

How's your Scc by the way?

Buford T. Justice XIX · 16-07-2017 11:54AM

I came across a nice tweet from the Journal about a Dairy after being built in Galway.

https://twitter.com/FJDairy/status/886496980276580352

Water John · 16-07-2017 12:07PM

Nice set up. Any cost figures?
The Teagasc boys must be pulling their hair out, having preached so long against this type of set up and farmers not listening.

pedigree 6 · 16-07-2017 12:17PM

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

I came across a nice tweet from the Journal about a Dairy after being built in Galway.

https://twitter.com/FJDairy/status/886496980276580352

Very nice!

But anyone else think those pig slats in the pit will be thrown out fairly soon?

All it'll be is just a mastitis bugs heaven underneath those slats.

At least with rubber mats if they're fitted down tight no slurry or sour milk can get underneath and it is washed on top of the mat.

The slats. How often will they be taken up and the floor washed underneath? ?:rolleyes:

Keepgrowing · 16-07-2017 03:22PM

Training a new milker these last few days. A little brain power goes a long way.

That's all

Mooooo · 16-07-2017 03:34PM

Keepgrowing wrote: »

Training a new milker these last few days. A little brain power goes a long way.

That's all

He/ she's obviously showing you new ways to do it

Mooooo · 16-07-2017 03:40PM

Water John wrote: »

Nice set up. Any cost figures?
The Teagasc boys must be pulling their hair out, having preached so long against this type of set up and farmers not listening.

Twas in the journal about 2k a cow I think. Tbh if land wasn't an option/ target that's what I would of have gone for as much as possible

Buford T. Justice XIX · 16-07-2017 04:05PM

Mooooo wrote: »

He/ she's obviously showing you new ways to do it

That's a good way of putting it.

Water John · 16-07-2017 04:16PM

2K is low.

See this poor fella in Yorkshire. Milking 200 cows with a 12 unit. 3 hours milking.

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2017/jul/16/my-first-hour-morning-routine-farmer-ceo-chef-dj-athlete-prisoner

awaywithyou · 16-07-2017 04:38PM

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

I came across a nice tweet from the Journal about a Dairy after being built in Galway.

https://twitter.com/FJDairy/status/886496980276580352

Something like that being built a few miles from me and you.... I would have slatted the walkway from parlour exit thru to drafting gate....

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