All Ireland SHC Final (formerly SHC thread) - READ MOD NOTE POST #1

magentis · 09-07-2017 07:27PM

Stacksofwacks wrote: »

Fair play to Cork, winning Munster is a great achievement given where they were 12 months ago. But I dont think they'r good enough to win the AI. Galway, Tipp and Waterford are ahead of them I feel, and it will be one of those 3 winning in September.

Silly comment in fairness.Whatever about Tipp but Cork beat Waterford at a canter a few weeks ago.Waterford may have just caught kk on a bad day,but are still the weakest team in the championship by far.

Limestone Cowboy · 09-07-2017 07:32PM

awec wrote: »

Well I am no hurling expert and could best be described as a casual observer but the Clare backs seemed incapable of tackling without fouling, the corner backs got turned inside out by the Cork corner forwards and Clare resorted to long shots that went wide more often than not.

It just felt to me that Cork were well in control of that game, responded well to the Clare goal and were never really under any serious threat.

Cork were more in control and deserved the win, we played right into their hands though. Our backs got turned inside out because we played with 4 forwards and let the cork backs pick out a pass under no pressure, we were shooting from midfield because there was nobody inside to play it into. Pure Davy brainless tactics, if Mcgrath, O Donnell and shanagher were left inside and the ball was played into them they would have skinned the cork backs too and there would have been no short puck outs. If Conlon can't learn to pass the ball he should be left on the bench for a while, he's a great warrior but it's a 15 man team and you need to use the better option. Same could be said for Tony. We set up like a team afraid of Cork and Lehane instead of playing to our own strengths. Unlucky with the few goal chances but Cork deserved it more.

Stacksofwacks · 09-07-2017 07:34PM

magentis wrote: »

Silly comment in fairness.Whatever about Tipp but Cork beat Waterford at a canter a few weeks ago.Waterford may have just caught kk on a bad day,but are still the weakest team in the championship by far.

Look I could well be wrong, Cork playing with their tails up can match anyone. But Clare were poor today as were Waterford in the semi. A great performance against Tipp but they werent at full pelt either. If Tipp and Waterford get through the quarter finals it will be a different intensity in the semi final, so we'll see then

09-07-2017 07:34PM

Cork have really put themselves up there now as serious All-Ireland contenders. In 2013 they sort of stumbled into the final more by luck than design and went within seconds of winning the All-Ireland but this team looks to have huge belief. They have unbelievable pace and skill and look to have the mental edge that Cork have been lacking for a long time. Also the self-belief Cork has is huge. They'll fully believe they can go all the way and they're entitled to since they've beaten number 2,3 and 4 in Munster.

Clare look like a side who have lost all the self-belief, fearlessness and panache that made them such a great side to watch in 2013. They were always on the fringes of contention but never had the look of a side who believed they could win.

Be very interesting to see how the draw pans out tomorrow. I wouldn't fancy Clare against anyone.

Limestone Cowboy · 09-07-2017 07:36PM

magentis wrote: »

Silly comment in fairness.Whatever about Tipp but Cork beat Waterford at a canter a few weeks ago.Waterford may have just caught kk on a bad day,but are still the weakest team in the championship by far.

Kilkenny have fallen off a cliff this year, it wasn't a bad day that caught them and the fact they were level after 70 minutes is more of a reflection of where Waterford are than Kilkenny.

Conas · 09-07-2017 07:40PM

C__MC wrote: »

Clare are average, as I said in a previous post there living off 2013, haven't done very little since in Championship

2013 was a very poor championship. They beat a Cork team that was only half as good as their current team. Ger Loughnane was right it was 'the greatest fluke of all time'.

magentis · 09-07-2017 07:43PM

Limestone Cowboy wrote: »

Kilkenny have fallen off a cliff this year, it wasn't a bad day that caught them and the fact they were level after 70 minutes is more of a reflection of where Waterford are than Kilkenny.

Player for player they are still superior to the majority of teams left in the championship though,and that's not an easy thing for me to say!!!

C__MC · 09-07-2017 07:46PM

Conas wrote: »

2013 was a very poor championship. They beat a Cork team that was only half as good as their current team. Ger Loughnane was right it was 'the greatest fluke of all time'.

Plus 1

niallo27 · 09-07-2017 07:49PM

Conas wrote: »

2013 was a very poor championship. They beat a Cork team that was only half as good as their current team. Ger Loughnane was right it was 'the greatest fluke of all time'.

Give me a fluke of an all Ireland any day baby. I enjoyed myself.

ArnoldJRimmer · 09-07-2017 07:51PM

Conas wrote: »

2013 was a very poor championship. They beat a Cork team that was only half as good as their current team. Ger Loughnane was right it was 'the greatest fluke of all time'.

In fairness, this is always rolled out when one of the big 3 don't win it. What you consider poor, I'd consider to be the most interesting and exciting championship since the 90's. Clare's AI is not a lesser achievement than say ,Tipps last year.

Stacksofwacks · 09-07-2017 07:53PM

No such thing as a fluke of an All Ireland,they could only beat what was put in front of them. KK and Tipp went out early that year but the other teams couldnt rise to it, Clare did

Gentleman Off The Pitch · 09-07-2017 08:01PM

2013 was like two pre-teens having a pillow fight when Mam and Dad were out of the house

jr86 · 09-07-2017 08:02PM

It wasn't a fluke as they deserved to win every game but it was a handy all Ireland in fairness

Stacksofwacks · 09-07-2017 08:08PM

That was just Loughnane causing mischief, trying to motivate this Clare team who he feels are not reaching their potential. As Anthony Daly who I think said that Loughnane never gave up managing Clare, he just does it now through the media

delaad · 09-07-2017 08:12PM

niallo27 wrote: »

God no I know from personal experience I married into it. Cork gaa fans in a group. Sweet Jesus the sense of self entitlement

Not trying to start a family row or anything, but you should maybe someday quietly ask where Cork got the "rebel" nickname from. If they dont mention Perkin Warbeck, then you're not getting the full story.

On second thoughts, it might be safer first to google the bold Perkin Warbeck, a fraudulent claimant to the Crown of England in 1492, and a dandy to boot.

Rebels, MRIA:D

Reputable Rog · 09-07-2017 08:13PM

Borders no.2 wrote: »

Cork have really put themselves up there now as serious All-Ireland contenders. In 2013 they sort of stumbled into the final more by luck than design and went within seconds of winning the All-Ireland but this team looks to have huge belief. They have unbelievable pace and skill and look to have the mental edge that Cork have been lacking for a long time. Also the self-belief Cork has is huge. They'll fully believe they can go all the way and they're entitled to since they've beaten number 2,3 and 4 in Munster.

Clare look like a side who have lost all the self-belief, fearlessness and panache that made them such a great side to watch in 2013. They were always on the fringes of contention but never had the look of a side who believed they could win.

Be very interesting to see how the draw pans out tomorrow. I wouldn't fancy Clare against anyone. I think while last Sunday will have punctured Wexford's momentum slightly I still think they'd have a great chance if they were drawn against Clare.

Wexford can't play Clare, finalists are kept apart.
A bad team still scored 1.20 without ever getting their tails up.

Conas · 09-07-2017 08:17PM

Stacksofwacks wrote: »

No such thing as a fluke of an All Ireland,they could only beat what was put in front of them. KK and Tipp went out early that year but the other teams couldnt rise to it, Clare did

Yeah you can only beat what was put in front of you, but what was put in front of them was very weak opposition.

They got a hell of a lot of luck a long the way, and that Cork team they beat was very poor, and Cork also got lucky in making the final, as Shefflin was sent off in the semi final game.

But no one can argue, as a team, and a squad Clare are very overrated. Had they met Tipp or KK in the final of 2013, they wouldn't have won.

delaad · 09-07-2017 08:17PM

delaad wrote: »

Not trying to start a family row or anything, but you should maybe someday quietly ask where Cork got the "rebel" nickname from. If they dont mention Perkin Warbeck, then you're not getting the full story.

On second thoughts, it might be safer first to google the bold Perkin Warbeck, a fraudulent claimant to the Crown of England in 1492, and a dandy to boot.

Rebels, MRIA:D

jr86 · 09-07-2017 08:19PM

I'm a galway fan but have to say I can't understand why they're getting all the hype yet cork are still being written off.

I'm very worried galway just haven't been tested enough yet . The championship has gone perfectly for cork

C__MC · 09-07-2017 08:24PM

Looking at this years championship, it's been ok prob the cork/Tipp has been stand out game, last night was interesting but Waterford were far superior. Still a good chance we will have 3 of last years semi finalists.

Don't agree that man for man kk are still the best team, some of their players I'd questioned if they are genuine intercounty standard. To me Brian Cody has lost touch with the modern game, he has played unfit players, he knew well he'd face sweepers in this years championship and kk couldn't navigate it. Their game plan was eh well I don't know, win your own ball and drive it as far as you can. In saying that, their forwards were v poor. Dropped joey Holden who was an all star in 2015 as well as Kieran Joyce.

As regards to 2013, it was an innocent championship. Lovely hurling from average teams. But to me in any sport to be the real top dogs, you need to beat the big guns. In fact the three semi finalists from that year have went backwards. Cork have improved.

The Golden Miller · 09-07-2017 08:27PM

Good to see hurlings traditional kingpins getting back on top. Been down for too long

Stacksofwacks · 09-07-2017 08:27PM

Conas wrote: »

Yeah you can only beat what was put in front of you, but what was put in front of them was very weak opposition.

They got a hell of a lot of luck a long the way, and that Cork team they beat was very poor, and Cork also got lucky in making the final, as Shefflin was sent off in the semi final game.

But no one can argue, as a team, and a squad Clare are very overrated. Had they met Tipp or KK in the final of 2013, they wouldn't have won.

They beat Galway in the QF handy enough who almost won the AI the year before so that was hardly weak opposition..Limerick in the semi had just won Munster were beaten fair and square. Not the best Cork team but were going well under JBM and had knocked out KK. KK had a poor 2013 by their standards and were beaten by Dublin in Leinster.

Cake Man · 09-07-2017 08:29PM

will be very interesting to see how it plays out now as there's a good chance Cork will have to face a team they've beaten in Munster (Tipp, Waterford or Clare) in an AI semi final.

09-07-2017 08:29PM

Every year takes on its own life but Clare were deserving champions in 2013 and regardless of whether it was a top quality championship or not there is no asterisk beside their name in the record books. They won it on merit. Clare had a lot of things going in their favour but still battled against the odds to win it.

When it came to the semi-final stage I think they were most people's 3rd or 4th favourites but they deservedly beat an overhyped Limerick and they were the better team both days against Cork.

Also, Clare have a good record in finals and in 2013 Kilkenny had hit just the wall by the time it came around to playing Cork so even if Kilkenny had stumbled into the final it's uncertain they'd have been able to live with what Clare brought that year.

Clare were a very vibrant team in 2013, they played with great pace and were an extremely skillful team but since then it looks like they've really lost their way and have fallen way down the pecking order. Even Tony Kelly looks like he's a shadow of his former self. It's sad to see, he's always been a joy to watch.

jr86 · 09-07-2017 08:40PM

Stacksofwacks wrote: »

They beat Galway in the QF handy enough who almost won the AI the year before so that was hardly weak opposition..Limerick in the semi had just won Munster were beaten fair and square. Not the best Cork team but were going well under JBM and had knocked out KK. KK had a poor 2013 by their standards and were beaten by Dublin in Leinster.

Galway were a write off in 2013 . Miles off their 2012 form

Stacksofwacks · 09-07-2017 08:43PM

The Golden Miller wrote: »

Good to see hurlings traditional kingpins getting back on top. Been down for too long

Limestone Cowboy · 09-07-2017 08:43PM

Borders no.2 wrote: »

Every year takes on its own life but Clare were deserving champions in 2013 and regardless of whether it was a top quality championship or not there is no asterisk beside their name in the record books. They won it on merit. Clare had a lot of things going in their favour but still battled against the odds to win it.

When it came to the semi-final stage I think they were most people's 3rd or 4th favourites but they deservedly beat an overhyped Limerick and they were the better team both days against Cork.

Also, Clare have a good record in finals and in 2013 Kilkenny had hit just the wall by the time it came around to playing Cork so even if Kilkenny had stumbled into the final it's uncertain they'd have been able to live with what Clare brought that year.

Clare were a very vibrant team in 2013, they played with great pace and were an extremely skillful team but since then it looks like they've really lost their way and have fallen way down the pecking order. Even Tony Kelly looks like he's a shadow of his former self. It's sad to see, he's always been a joy to watch.

Tony's had a long year of it, don't think he's lost it yet but could probably do with a break for a few months after the run ballyea had in the club championship.

zetecescort · 09-07-2017 09:10PM

The Golden Miller wrote: »

Good to see hurlings traditional kingpins getting back on top. Been down for too long

bringing back the pitch invasion too, great to see

C__MC · 09-07-2017 09:12PM

zetecescort wrote: »

bringing back the pitch invasion too, great to see

Just curiously why are pitch invasions seen as brilliant in provincial grounds but dangerous in Croker?

Rega · 09-07-2017 09:13PM

jr86 wrote: »

I'm a galway fan but have to say I can't understand why they're getting all the hype yet cork are still being written off.

I'm very worried galway just haven't been tested enough yet . The championship has gone perfectly for cork

Hey, shush you. Cork fan here and I'm quite happy for our chances to be downplayed even after beating tipp, Waterford and clare. Obviously Galway are an incredible outfit and will have used those gruelling battles against Dublin and wexford to prepare for ultimate honours. I only hope we don't get beaten too badly if we meet you.

All Ireland SHC Final (formerly SHC thread) - READ MOD NOTE POST #1

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