All Ireland SHC Final (formerly SHC thread) - READ MOD NOTE POST #1

Powerhouse

MfMan wrote: »

Can't get my head around why you are constantly decrying Galway, instead of celebrating your own county's incredibly rare (and welcome) success over KK?

Galway lost the second league game to Wexford, but other than that, have racked up large winning margins (again, bar WD when they overturned a 10-point deficit to win by 5, maybe that's why you're sore?) over all opposition since. They hammered Tipp in the league final, prior to the final a team considered the team to beat in this year's championship.

What 2 title contenders have Cork beaten? Tipp yes, Waterford, Clare no. Galway are favourites ahead of Cork if for no reason other than Cork have done nothing in the past few seasons, whereas Galway have matched it out with Tipp and KK better than most in recent years.

Concentrate on your own team Redlead. Get over your Galway-antipathy like a good lad, you've been at it too long.

Re. your comments on Galway's League performance - you neglected to mention that they failed to win promotion.

The Golden Miller

citykat wrote: »

Comedy gold this. I just don't know where to start. But I will.
Kilkenny have more AIs than any other inter county team at the moment. Fact. Some of their players are not inter county standard? They probably have the least of any inter county squad.
Cody has 'lost touch with the modern game' on the basis of losing one match. I've bad news for you. He also had apparently lost touch in 2005. We all know (though maybe you don't) what happened next.
Playing unfit players? Ffs do you know anything about top level sport. Brian O'Driscoll indicated he played most of his career with some kind of injury.

We're just a pale shadow of ourselves this year but we were also that in 2013 (though maybe you're not aware what happened next). Enjoy the remainder of the Kilkennyfree season. To paraphrase Twain 'rumours of our demise...'.

I think too much success has made some KK people bitter when they don't get everything their own way. Not the first highly defensive post I've seen from a KK poster when someone dared criticise them.

I'd further echo rumors of your demise, as sport is cyclical. In 2005 KK had the players coming through, even in 2013 they had them. They simply aren't coming through to the same standard right now. Cody's years are also numbered. Cork and Tipp are also back. As great as KK were over the past decade, their success owed a great deal to Cork being in the wilderness, while Tipp went backwards once the management left after their All-Ireland success and KK picked up another few cheap all-Irelands.

What is really worrying for KK is their performances have been way below par for a while now, it's not just a once-off. Naming how many all-Irelands you won isn't going to change that, nor would I be shouting about it too loudly as it wasn't too long ago Cork led the roll of honour for 80 odd years. As history has shown us, Cork produce better players than Kilkenny on a more consistent basis and they now have another batch coming through. You should probably reacquaint yourself with the idea of playing second fiddle to Cork once more

Realt Dearg Sec

Is that the sound of a cork man gloating? Well I never. Just a quick note, probably best to wait until ye actually win the all Ireland before getting onto the old high horse about it.

JoseJones

Is there a 12 week ban for officials for putting their hands on managers?

Mushy

Is the draw at 8.30 again like previous week's?

citykat

The Golden Miller wrote: »

citykat wrote: »

Comedy gold this. I just don't know where to start. But I will.
Kilkenny have more AIs than any other inter county team at the moment. Fact. Some of their players are not inter county standard? They probably have the least of any inter county squad.
Cody has 'lost touch with the modern game' on the basis of losing one match. I've bad news for you. He also had apparently lost touch in 2005. We all know (though maybe you don't) what happened next.
Playing unfit players? Ffs do you know anything about top level sport. Brian O'Driscoll indicated he played most of his career with some kind of injury.

We're just a pale shadow of ourselves this year but we were also that in 2013 (though maybe you're not aware what happened next). Enjoy the remainder of the Kilkennyfree season. To paraphrase Twain 'rumours of our demise...'.

I think too much success has made some KK people bitter when they don't get everything their own way. Not the first highly defensive post I've seen from a KK poster when someone dared criticise them.

I'd further echo rumors of your demise, as sport is cyclical. In 2005 KK had the players coming through, even in 2013 they had them. They simply aren't coming through to the same standard right now. Cody's years are also numbered. Cork and Tipp are also back. As great as KK were over the past decade, their success owed a great deal to Cork being in the wilderness, while Tipp went backwards once the management left after their All-Ireland success and KK picked up another few cheap all-Irelands.

What is really worrying for KK is their performances have been way below par for a while now, it's not just a once-off. Naming how many all-Irelands you won isn't going to change that, nor would I be shouting about it too loudly as it wasn't too long ago Cork led the roll of honour for 80 odd years. As history has shown us, Cork produce better players than Kilkenny on a more consistent basis and they now have another batch coming through. You should probably reacquaint yourself with the idea of playing second fiddle to Cork once more

When it comes to Cork, the only thing I'm acquainted with is how they have been bowing down like obedient little dogs to the Cats for the last who knows how long. I can only imagine how it must have felt being put to the sword again and again. Enjoy the rest of the year. As with 2013, another soft All Ireland beckons for someone.

Deiseen

Maybe I have been desensitised  due to being in the UK and having to pay for GAAGO all the time, BUT people going mad over the game being on Sky Sports and having to go to the pub to the watch the game..... can they not just pay €10 and get the sky sports day pass? People rarely watch the game on their own so if ye chip in together its €5/€3.30/€2.50 etc. etc. each. Would hardly break the bank.
They'd probably spend about €40 in the pub anyway on a feed of drink.

OldMrBrennan83

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I said

How the fcuk did people manage for live games before 89?
If sky want to pay for it so be it.Would many 80 yr olds from Offaly or anywhere else have gone to semple before all these live games got shown on TV?

Gentleman Off The Pitch

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

Is that the sound of a cork man gloating? Well I never. Just a quick note, probably best to wait until ye actually win the all Ireland before getting onto the old high horse about it.

I know everyone hates Tipp but I behoove all posters to remember, reach back in your mind to as a short time ago as the early to mid 2000s, when Cork were last dominating hurling, with their bastardised egg-n-spoon version of hurling, and remember that there is nothing, nothing as breathtakingly arrogant as your typical sombrero clad, camera gawping, Rebel supporter

Those posters of a younger vintage, those that have grown up watching Kilkenny dominating the hurling landscape, perhaps you found that difficult to take but trust me, if over the next few years Cork have even 10% of the success Kilkenny have had over the last two decades you'll quickly learn the true meaning of insufferable arrogance

They've won a munster title now, you have Nash jumping around like a yahoo, their supporters all over social media predicting an All-Ireland win and now they're try to undermine Kilkenny's achievements

"We're back kiddo" <groan>

BonnieSituation

Clare v Tipperary
Wexford v Waterford

I bloody well knew that that would happen.

Had it written out before the draw. Raging.

Have serious soft spots for Wexford and Waterford.

The_Kew_Tour

Gentleman Off The Pitch wrote: »

I know everyone hates Tipp but I behoove all posters to remember, reach back in your mind to as a short time ago as the early to mid 2000s, when Cork were last dominating hurling, with their bastardised egg-n-spoon version of hurling, and remember that there is nothing, nothing as breathtakingly arrogant as your typical sombrero clad, camera gawping, Rebel supporter

Those posters of a younger vintage, those that have grown up watching Kilkenny dominating the hurling landscape, perhaps you found that difficult to take but trust me, if over the next few years Cork have even 10% of the success Kilkenny have had over the last two decades you'll quickly learn the true meaning of insufferable arrogance

They've won a munster title now, you have Nash jumping around like a yahoo, their supporters all over social media predicting an All-Ireland win and now they're try to undermine Kilkenny's achievements

"We're back kiddo" <groan>

Would you ever grow up.

letowski

Waterford v Wexford will be a tactical battle for sure. Davy's Clare teams always found playing Waterford tough. I think Waterford will win this tie.

Clare will struggle to hold Tipp at the back. They have forwards to trouble Tipp also but Clare just are not hitting form at the moment while Tipp look to be hitting stride after Saturday.

Mushy

Tipp v Clare
Waterford v Wexford

Should be a fun day/days in Cork with them on

The_Kew_Tour

Tipp and Waterford for me, but would not be surprised if Wexford put it up to Waterford.

deaddonkey15

citykat wrote: »

When it comes to Cork, the only thing I'm acquainted with is how they have been bowing down like obedient little dogs to the Cats for the last who knows how long. I can only imagine how it must have felt being put to the sword again and again. Enjoy the rest of the year. As with 2013, another soft All Ireland beckons for someone.

It's a soft All-Ireland only when Kilkenny are bad? That's gas. How many soft Leinster titles and strolls into the AI semi's have ye gotten over the last decade?

Mantis Toboggan

If Tipp can rediscover their best form they should have too much for Clare.

Waterford definitely favourites against Wexford but I'd expect it be fairly tight especially if Wexford can find their early season form.

OldMrBrennan83

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Powerhouse

I said wrote: »

How the fcuk did people manage for live games before 89?
If sky want to pay for it so be it.Would many 80 yr olds from Offaly or anywhere else have gone to semple before all these live games got shown on TV?

You are missing the point completely. The 80 year olds in question would have had the option of watching it on RTE - they wouldn't have had to go to Semple.

Powerhouse

citykat wrote: »

When it comes to Cork, the only thing I'm acquainted with is how they have been bowing down like obedient little dogs to the Cats for the last who knows how long. I can only imagine how it must have felt being put to the sword again and again.

You don't have to imagine what it was like being put to the sword. Just get out the video of the 2013 quarter final - Cork 0.19 KK 0.14. Short/selective memory.

lawred2

Gentleman Off The Pitch wrote: »

I know everyone hates Tipp but I behoove all posters to remember, reach back in your mind to as a short time ago as the early to mid 2000s, when Cork were last dominating hurling, with their bastardised egg-n-spoon version of hurling, and remember that there is nothing, nothing as breathtakingly arrogant as your typical sombrero clad, camera gawping, Rebel supporter

Those posters of a younger vintage, those that have grown up watching Kilkenny dominating the hurling landscape, perhaps you found that difficult to take but trust me, if over the next few years Cork have even 10% of the success Kilkenny have had over the last two decades you'll quickly learn the true meaning of insufferable arrogance

They've won a munster title now, you have Nash jumping around like a yahoo, their supporters all over social media predicting an All-Ireland win and now they're try to undermine Kilkenny's achievements

"We're back kiddo" <groan>

You're not massively wrong about the general Cork supporter... Can be an insufferable lot when they get the wind in their sails. However they do bring some much needed colour to the hurling landscape. Hurling needs the likes of Cork because our capital has an appalling record of supporting the inter county game.

I'd forgive Nash though. If the players aren't entitled to show a bit of passion then I don't know who is... And anyway I witnessed him at club level - he was doing that at under 12s. He doesn't do it for show.

lawred2

Powerhouse wrote: »

You are missing the point completely. The 80 year olds in question would have had the option of watching it on RTE - they wouldn't have had to go to Semple.

well as it goes the 80 year old should easily be able to remember a time when only semi finals onwards were televised.. we've come a long way since then.

As it happens - the GAA should have negotiated a deal that allowed for simulcast in Ireland with RTE. At the end of the day nobody would ever pay for Sky in Ireland simply for GAA coverage.

Noveight

I can see Tipp finding form and giving us a good trouncing. Clare backs looked headless v Cork at times.

lawred2

Noveight wrote: »

I can see Tipp finding form and giving us a good trouncing. Clare backs looked headless v Cork at times.

Well Clare will have to do something different to what they did yesterday.. Watching them repeatedly walloping balls wide from 80 yards out got very frustrating.. Definition of stupid being doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result.

Thought I was watching a long puck competition at one point.

12 men inside your own half is turgid cowardly stuff. They were lucky not to get a heavier beating yesterday.

LeinsterDub

lawred2 wrote: »

As it goes - the GAA should have negotiated a deal that allowed for simulcast in Ireland with RTE. At the end of the day nobody would ever pay for Sky in Ireland simply for GAA coverage.

Maybe not but it certainly adds value for Pubs and home subscribers .

lawred2

LeinsterDub wrote: »

Maybe not but it certainly adds value for Pubs and home subscribers .

Not sure Sky care about 'adding' value for existing customers. They want new subscribers.

BonnieSituation

lawred2 wrote: »

Not sure Sky care about 'adding' value for existing customers. They want new subscribers.

They want to minimise churn which means adding value for existing customers.
New customers cost more than existing as they are usually subsidized on offer contracts.

Showing GAA during the summer is seen as a way to keep some customers from May to August who would ordinarily get rid of their Sky Sports sub.

Having worked in retentions in Sky I can tell you it is a valuable tool to have in the arsenal vs. say offering them golf and formula 1.

danganabu

citykat wrote: »

Comedy gold this. I just don't know where to start. But I will.
Kilkenny have more AIs than any other inter county team at the moment. Fact. Some of their players are not inter county standard? They probably have the least of any inter county squad.
Cody has 'lost touch with the modern game' on the basis of losing one match. I've bad news for you. He also had apparently lost touch in 2005. We all know (though maybe you don't) what happened next.
Playing unfit players? Ffs do you know anything about top level sport. Brian O'Driscoll indicated he played most of his career with some kind of injury.

We're just a pale shadow of ourselves this year but we were also that in 2013 (though maybe you're not aware what happened next). Enjoy the remainder of the Kilkennyfree season. To paraphrase Twain 'rumours of our demise...'.

Or to paraphrase Swift ''There are none so blind as those who will not see. The most deluded people are those who choose to ignore what they already know''

danganabu

Deleted User wrote: »

'Political correctness gone mad' says Duignan

And Cody shouldn't face the same punishment as Diarmuid Connolly and Evan Comerford for essentially the same crime because of what exactly?
Good grief that is shocking excuse for analysis. He just wont say a thing bad about Kilkenny no matter what the scenario.

I actually like Duignan and he knows his stuff but yeah definitely suffering from a bad dose of stockholm syndrome.

lawred2

Deleted User wrote: »

'Political correctness gone mad' says Duignan

And Cody shouldn't face the same punishment as Diarmuid Connolly and Evan Comerford for essentially the same crime because of what exactly?
Good grief that is shocking excuse for analysis. He just wont say a thing bad about Kilkenny no matter what the scenario.

because he's a 'hurling man'