General FPL Chat 2017/18

Trimm Trabb · 09-07-2017 10:04am

What price do we reckon Rooney will come in at?

Predicted goals and assists for the season?

CSF · 09-07-2017 10:53am

Trimm Trabb wrote: »

What price do we reckon Rooney will come in at?

Predicted goals and assists for the season?

Based on how they've been going so far, probably 9+

Degag · 09-07-2017 11:21am

Trimm Trabb wrote: »

What price do we reckon Rooney will come in at?

Predicted goals and assists for the season?

Really think he should be no more than 7.5. Might possibly be worth considering at that.

CSF · 09-07-2017 12:54pm

Sane 8.5. Game is gonna be a joke this year.

km79 · 09-07-2017 12:57pm

CSF wrote: »

Sane 8.5. Game is gonna be a joke this year.

Fairest price so far imo

FHFC · 09-07-2017 1:02pm

CSF wrote: »

Sane 8.5. Game is gonna be a joke this year.

Seriously? What is fundamentally wrong with any of the prices so far?

Sane spot on what would be expected. No way he was ever gonna be any less.

FHFC · 09-07-2017 1:05pm

United player next. My guess is Pogba and I'd expect 8.0/8.5

callaway92 · 09-07-2017 1:06pm

Jaysis lads. Ye have started moaning and the season hasn't even started yet.

Wait till we get to some of the assists/bonus points etc

CSF · 09-07-2017 1:12pm

FHFC wrote: »

CSF wrote: »

Sane 8.5. Game is gonna be a joke this year.

Seriously? What is fundamentally wrong with any of the prices so far?

Sane spot on what would be expected. No way he was ever gonna be any less.

The problem being, if you increase the price of everyone who did in any well last year, you rip the relative value out of the game, because last year was a bit of an outlier, in that there were so many more good performers than previous years, and that needs to be taken into account when looking into each one individually.

Sané got 5 goals and 7 assists last year. If he is 8.5, what is Sigurdsson gonna be?

CSF · 09-07-2017 1:15pm

For reference, Eriksen came into the game at 8.5 last season on the back of a 6 goal, 16 assist season and a much higher track record from years gone by.

km79 · 09-07-2017 1:16pm

FHFC wrote: »

United player next. My guess is Pogba and I'd expect 8.0/8.5

I'll be all over that
I expect him to be on pens and frees

2nd Row Donkey · 09-07-2017 1:17pm

How much is tadic lads?

km79 · 09-07-2017 1:19pm

2nd Row Donkey wrote: »

How much is tadic lads?

Not announced yet
What we do know is he has the greatest "almost getting points " to games ratio of any player in FPL

I had him for his hat trick and have not owned him since

FHFC · 09-07-2017 1:22pm

CSF wrote: »

The problem being, if you increase the price of everyone who did in any well last year, you rip the relative value out of the game, because last year was a bit of an outlier, in that there were so many more good performers than previous years, and that needs to be taken into account when looking into each one individually.

Sané got 5 goals and 7 assists last year. If he is 8.5, what is Sigurdsson gonna be?

In 20 odd starts that's pretty good. He started last season at 8.0, and has since shown he's able to handle the PL and nailed down a place.

Hes one of the more nailed players in the City midfield guessing game. He plays for a high scoring top 6 side. Eriksen, Firmino and Alli all came in at 8.5 last year iirc, and would have had similar stats.

I think 8.5 is decent value for Sane.

We think prices are mad every year possibly because we're used to our teams with 105 or 106m at the end of last season.

FHFC · 09-07-2017 1:25pm

Siggy if he stay at Swansea till launch will I expect be 8 or 8.5

FHFC · 09-07-2017 1:28pm

https://twitter.com/Everton/status/884023617197092864

CSF · 09-07-2017 1:28pm

Eriksen came in at 8.5 last season off the back of 6 goals 16 assists, Alli from 10 and 12. Where is the relative value?

CSF · 09-07-2017 1:35pm

km79 wrote: »

FHFC wrote: »

United player next. My guess is Pogba and I'd expect 8.0/8.5

I'll be all over that
I expect him to be on pens and frees

If Pogba stays the same starting price as last season on the back of a 5 goal, 4 assist season, the game has gone completely bonkers.

I'm perfectly fine with the likes of Kane, Alli, Eriksen, Sanchez, Hazard, Lukaku increasing after premium seasons, but that has to be balanced elsewhere.

An overall inflation with the budget remaining the same just makes for a worse off game. Not a less fair game, because the prices are the same for everyone, but still.

FHFC · 09-07-2017 1:39pm

CSF wrote: »

Eriksen came in at 8.5 last season off the back of 6 goals 16 assists, Alli from 10 and 12. Where is the relative value?

In nearby twice as many starts. Sane is more nailed than last year, no longer 'new to the PL' risk, he's gone up 0.5m

km79 · 09-07-2017 1:39pm

CSF wrote: »

If Pogba stays the same starting price as last season on the back of a 5 goal, 4 assist season, the game has gone completely bonkers.

I'm perfectly fine with the likes of Kane, Alli, Eriksen, Sanchez, Hazard, Lukaku increasing after premium seasons, but that has to be balanced elsewhere.

An overall inflation with the budget remaining the same just makes for a worse off game. Not a less fair game, because the prices are the same for everyone, but still.

Jeez if he is any less than 8 I'll be delighted

CSF · 09-07-2017 1:54pm

FHFC wrote: »

CSF wrote: »

Eriksen came in at 8.5 last season off the back of 6 goals 16 assists, Alli from 10 and 12. Where is the relative value?

In nearby twice as many starts. Sane is more nailed than last year, no longer 'new to the PL' risk, he's gone up 0.5m

I don't think the amount of starts should come into it though. I don't think players should go into premium price categories on the back of what they MIGHT do on the back of a full season, because they had a good end to last season.

There are too many players who had actually great seasons last season and will have to be increasing to be hiking up those who have done enough to show a bit of potential too. Because who makes way then? Are Vardy and Mahrez gonna drop down to 7.5-8 on the basis of having seasons that went the other way? I sincerely doubt it.

You can't have relative one-way traffic in how prices go or by next season we'll be investing double figure sums on Bobby Firmino.

CSF · 09-07-2017 1:56pm

km79 wrote: »

CSF wrote: »

If Pogba stays the same starting price as last season on the back of a 5 goal, 4 assist season, the game has gone completely bonkers.

I'm perfectly fine with the likes of Kane, Alli, Eriksen, Sanchez, Hazard, Lukaku increasing after premium seasons, but that has to be balanced elsewhere.

An overall inflation with the budget remaining the same just makes for a worse off game. Not a less fair game, because the prices are the same for everyone, but still.

Jeez if he is any less than 8 I'll be delighted

7.5 seems realistic after a woeful stat season last year. He came in on the back of a huge transfer fee and was priced high as a result. He didn't deliver for his owners and there should go into the potential bargain category for those of us (probably me) who want to take the chance of him having a much improved 2nd season.

Paully D · 09-07-2017 3:39pm

Any idea what day next week the game will launch, lads? It's week commencing 10th July anyway.

CSF · 09-07-2017 3:49pm

Redmond 6.5

Father Hernandez · 09-07-2017 3:56pm

CSF wrote: »

Redmond 6.5

Can't see me going near him in the beginning.

Started off with him last year off the back of a good pre season but didn't set the world alight.

Would love if they announced a United played price given I'll be looking at doubling up on defence or getting Pogba or Lukaku in at the right price

CSF · 09-07-2017 3:59pm

Father Hernandez wrote: »

CSF wrote: »

Redmond 6.5

Can't see me going near him in the beginning.

Started off with him last year off the back of a good pre season but didn't set the world alight.

Would love if they announced a United played price given I'll be looking at doubling up on defence or getting Pogba or Lukaku in at the right price

Yeah can't see me going with him either but that probably would have been the same even if he'd stayed at 6.0.

km79 · 09-07-2017 4:00pm

He is defo .5 too dear
That seems to be a bit of a theme so far
Budget being raising to 105 ml
I'm calling that right now

manual_man · 09-07-2017 4:07pm

Rudiger signs for Chelsea. Should play in the left centre back position. Cahill most at risk now I think as a result

FHFC · 09-07-2017 4:41pm

km79 wrote: »

He is defo .5 too dear
That seems to be a bit of a theme so far
Budget being raising to 105 ml
I'm calling that right now

I do think that Redmond getting an increase in the back of his performances last year is cheeky.

CSF, much as I don't want to start the new term arguing with you my friend, i disagree with your last reply. My view would be that player prices are not just based on last year's returns. They are based on what FPL think the player has potential to return this season. So for the likes of Sane, it's valid to take into account his late season returns over his early season when he wasn't starting. Also to take into their stats which might indicate that they have potential for more goals than they got last term etc. Plus thing like the manager - Watford defs may be more expensive given Silva home record. Common sense and general knowledge will also be applied.

E.g. Pogba hit the post about 5 times last season and had great underlying stats. United are almost certainly gonna sign a new DM which could release him to a more attacking role. He has a season of pl under his belt and the price tag pressure eased. I think it'd be a reasonable proposition that he could score better in FPL this year hence I think he'll be at least 8. And would be value at that.

In short I don't this it's as simple and a players goals/assists last year determines their price, and totally disagree that you have to take a full season into account when some factor has changed.

FHFC · 09-07-2017 4:47pm

Btw, dunno if it was posted here, Klaasen was announced at 7.5 too, it wasn't tweeted though so may have been missed.

They were going through clubs alphabetically till they skipped Utd today.

CSF · 09-07-2017 5:21pm

FHFC wrote: »

I do think that Redmond getting an increase in the back of his performances last year is cheeky.

CSF, much as I don't want to start the new term arguing with you my friend, i disagree with your last reply. My view would be that player prices are not just based on last year's returns. They are based on what FPL think the player has potential to return this season. So for the likes of Sane, it's valid to take into account his late season returns over his early season when he wasn't starting. Also to take into their stats which might indicate that they have potential for more goals than they got last term etc. Plus thing like the manager - Watford defs may be more expensive given Silva home record. Common sense and general knowledge will also be applied.

E.g. Pogba hit the post about 5 times last season and had great underlying stats. United are almost certainly gonna sign a new DM which could release him to a more attacking role. He has a season of pl under his belt and the price tag pressure eased. I think it'd be a reasonable proposition that he could score better in FPL this year hence I think he'll be at least 8. And would be value at that.

In short I don't this it's as simple and a players goals/assists last year determines their price, and totally disagree that you have to take a full season into account when some factor has changed.

Fine points in a vacuum, but, if you increase the price of everyone who shows any kind of potential (even Redmond has been increased) and price Premier League unknowns like Salah and Lacazette the way they have, how do you maintain any kind of balance? It definitely appears like there will be way more players over the 8 million mark than last year and while the budget remains the same, that has a negative impact on how enjoyable the game is. I certainly don't want to be able to field a front 7 of Sanchez, Hazard, Mané, De Bruyne, Kane, Aguero and Lukaku either but I feel what I have seen so far this year has gone in a negative direction and that's without the list of players who I actually expected to rise even being announced yet.

Do you not feel that a player's value should be relative to the other players in the game (within the confines of the 100 million budget), rather than their own price in previous years? The combined price of the likely starting 11 of each of the 20 teams (220 players basically) shouldn't vary much year on year, but from what I've seen so far this year it is set to fly up. I don't get how that makes sense.

Scorpion Sting · 09-07-2017 5:23pm

2nd Row Donkey wrote: »

How much is tadic lads?

I don't know but what I do know is that he won't be going anywhere near my team this season. The fecker's penalty miss a few months ago cost me a top 10k finish.

CSF · 09-07-2017 5:24pm

FHFC wrote: »

Btw, dunno if it was posted here, Klaasen was announced at 7.5 too, it wasn't tweeted though so may have been missed.

They were going through clubs alphabetically till they skipped Utd today.

That's big too right? Putting him in the same price bracket where the likes of Sigurdsson, Coutinho, Walcott, Fabregas and Sterling were last year.

Do people expect those kinds of returns from him?

Scorpion Sting · 09-07-2017 5:29pm

Paully D wrote: »

Any idea what day next week the game will launch, lads? It's week commencing 10th July anyway.

My guess is Wednesday. I doubt they'll launch it tomorrow anyway.

manual_man · 09-07-2017 5:29pm

CSF wrote: »

That's big too right? Putting him in the same price bracket where the likes of Sigurdsson, Coutinho, Walcott, Fabregas and Sterling were last year.

Do people expect those kinds of returns from him?

Based on his stats from Ajax he could be good value. Interesting to see how Rooneys arrival impacts him though. Thankfully Everton have a tough start so I'll hold back but will definitely be keeping an eye on both

Scorpion Sting · 09-07-2017 5:31pm

CSF wrote: »

That's big too right? Putting him in the same price bracket where the likes of Sigurdsson, Coutinho, Walcott, Fabregas and Sterling were last year.

Do people expect those kinds of returns from him?

He had very decent stats in the Dutch league but the Premier League is on a whole other level. I think he's 0.5 too dear but he could do amazing in Koeman's system.

Scorpion Sting · 09-07-2017 5:32pm

manual_man wrote: »

Based on his stats from Ajax he could be good value. Interesting to see how Rooneys arrival impacts him though. Thankfully Everton have a tough start so I'll hold back but will definitely be keeping an eye on both

Yeah their tough start should hopefully see him drop a couple of 0.1s in value before their good run starts.

CSF · 09-07-2017 5:50pm

manual_man wrote: »

CSF wrote: »

That's big too right? Putting him in the same price bracket where the likes of Sigurdsson, Coutinho, Walcott, Fabregas and Sterling were last year.

Do people expect those kinds of returns from him?

Based on his stats from Ajax he could be good value. Interesting to see how Rooneys arrival impacts him though. Thankfully Everton have a tough start so I'll hold back but will definitely be keeping an eye on both

I mean they'd be decent stats in the Premier League for sure, but those stats are far from astounding in the Eredivisie. What does a goal every 3 games in the Eredivisie translate to in the Premier League really?

Father Hernandez · 09-07-2017 6:25pm

Wee Joe Allen at 5.5.

Value there?

Tempting for me

CSF · 09-07-2017 6:37pm

Father Hernandez wrote: »

Wee Joe Allen at 5.5.

Value there?

Tempting for me

Think that's about what I've had him at. Probably won't have him in my team though. Maybe if he'd stayed at 5 I might have used him as the enabler that allows me rotate between 3-5-2 and 3-4-3.

The way prices are going at the mo though. 5-3-2 might end up being the business.

FHFC · 09-07-2017 6:47pm

I'm gonna have a serious look at 433 myself.

I'd steer clear of Allen. Think Stoke will struggle and they always have a very slow start to the season.

caviardreams · 09-07-2017 6:57pm

FHFC wrote: »

I'm gonna have a serious look at 433 myself.

I'd steer clear of Allen. Think Stoke will struggle and they always have a very slow start to the season.

Agree, had Allen for a lot of last season as bench fodder as I picked him up at 5m - he was very patchy, would have a couple of great weeks and then nothing for ages. At 5.5 he is too expensive to be warming the bench really.

09-07-2017 7:13pm

km79 wrote: »

I'll be all over that
I expect him to be on pens and frees

Why would he take pens over Lukaku?

km79 · 09-07-2017 7:16pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Why would he take pens over Lukaku?

Pogba was at united last year lukaku was not. He was 3rd in line .
Pogba is good at them lukaku is not
Pogba is pogba

NoviGlitzko · 09-07-2017 7:20pm

Anyone any idea of when this is due to launch?

FHFC · 09-07-2017 7:34pm

km79 wrote: »

Pogba was at united last year lukaku was not. He was 3rd in line .
Pogba is good at them lukaku is not
Pogba is pogba

I'd be amazed if Lukaku isn't on pens.

caviardreams · 09-07-2017 7:38pm

km79 wrote: »

Pogba was at united last year lukaku was not. He was 3rd in line .
Pogba is good at them lukaku is not
Pogba is pogba

Wouldn't rule out Lukaku taking them tbh - his record isn't that bad.

FHFC · 09-07-2017 9:16pm

Alli 9.5m
Pogba 8.0m
Gayle 6.5m

https://www.premierleague.com/news/435406

km79 · 09-07-2017 9:24pm

FHFC wrote: »

Alli 9.5m
Pogba 8.0m
Gayle 6.5m

https://www.premierleague.com/news/435406

Pogba in my team
It's now a choice between Alli and Kane most likely if Kane is 13

manual_man · 09-07-2017 9:24pm

FHFC wrote: »

Alli 9.5m
Pogba 8.0m
Gayle 6.5m

https://www.premierleague.com/news/435406

Alli fair price. Pogba at 8 is ridiculous considering last season's stats. Gayle at 6.5 could be interesting if he can nail down a starting spot, but that's a big if based on his history

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