All Ireland SHC Final (formerly SHC thread) - READ MOD NOTE POST #1

robbiezero · 05-07-2017 12:03PM

danganabu wrote: »

I wasn't getting at Shanley personally and I know he is a hurling man, but the impression I get is that his hands are pretty much tied, alot of politics involved at that level and I'm sure as part of the voting 'agreements' that got him the gig there were pretty strict conditions attached.

It's not a personality or individual problem, the reality is that Hurling will always play second fiddle in Dublin and of course that is their perogative but I find it rather ironic when they then cry foul about the injustices inflicted on their hurlers.

Do you not find it strange and very convenient that there wasn't a mig out if anyone from Dublin until the next day and tickets were already sold so nothing could be done, my own opinion is that this was a statement made to affect any future decisions and had very little to do with the incident at hand, a bit like the Connolly incident and Gavin trying to influence future decisions.

There is a full round of adult hurling league matches scheduled for Saturday night in Dublin. Surely they will be called off to allow supporters to travel to Thurles.

grbear · 05-07-2017 12:15PM

I think Dublin are in a better position for Saturday than the bookies odds would suggest.

They'll be under no pressure at all as people expect Tipperary to win handily and they have the added little motivational boost of having been "wronged"* by the choice of venue.

Galway ran out comfortable winners in the end against Dublin but the first half was tough enough and Dublin's sheer doggedness and physicality was causing Galway some real issues . If they can bring that to Thurles and keep the game tight until half time I could see Tipperary getting a bit jittery like last week.

I'm not convinced Dublin will win but I think they'll be closer than the nine point handicap.

*Wronged felt like the best choice of word there. It's a poor situation for Dublin to be in but a double header in Thurles does feel like the right choice for these matches.

danganabu · 05-07-2017 01:30PM

robbiezero wrote: »

There is a full round of adult hurling league matches scheduled for Saturday night in Dublin. Surely they will be called off to allow supporters to travel to Thurles.

They would surely be called off it was the other code, but you wait and see, those games will go ahead without doubt. Lip service is all that is paid to hurling.

Dyr · 05-07-2017 01:49PM

danganabu wrote: »

They would surely be called off it was the other code, but you wait and see, those games will go ahead without doubt. Lip service is all that is paid to hurling.

Think the county board are leaving it to clubs to agree between themselves to reschedule

Pretty poor alright.

kala85 · 05-07-2017 07:20PM

Any word on munster final tickets does anyone know?

galwaylad14 · 05-07-2017 07:20PM

grbear wrote: »

I think Dublin are in a better position for Saturday than the bookies odds would suggest.

They'll be under no pressure at all as people expect Tipperary to win handily and they have the added little motivational boost of having been "wronged"* by the choice of venue.

Galway ran out comfortable winners in the end against Dublin but the first half was tough enough and Dublin's sheer doggedness and physicality was causing Galway some real issues . If they can bring that to Thurles and keep the game tight until half time I could see Tipperary getting a bit jittery like last week.

I'm not convinced Dublin will win but I think they'll be closer than the nine point handicap.

*Wronged felt like the best choice of word there. It's a poor situation for Dublin to be in but a double header in Thurles does feel like the right choice for these matches.

I actually agree with you that Dublin probably aren't as big of outsiders as the bookies have them (8/1 with Powers, I'd suggest somewhere around 6s would be fairer) but I still expect Tipp to win comfortably enough. There seems to be issues in the Tipp camp and they weren't hectic against Westmeath but they just have far better hurlers than Dublin. Simple as that.

However I would disagree with you about Dublin putting it up to Galway. At no stage was that a contest to be honest, some wayward Galway shooting probably meant the game wasn't put to bed as early as it should have been but in truth Galway were totally dominant from the first whistle.

The fact that I as a Galway man was actually disappointed when Dublin had a man sent off as I knew it would end all possibility of the game being any way enjoyable as a contest should tell you all you need to know about that match.

spideyman92 · 05-07-2017 09:52PM

kala85 wrote: »

Any word on munster final tickets does anyone know?

Killinan Terrace is the only tickets available online now for the hurling qualifiers on Saturday and the Munster Final Sunday.

OldMrBrennan83 · 06-07-2017 01:08AM

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aidan24326 · 06-07-2017 01:19AM

grbear wrote: »

I think Dublin are in a better position for Saturday than the bookies odds would suggest.

They'll be under no pressure at all as people expect Tipperary to win handily and they have the added little motivational boost of having been "wronged"* by the choice of venue.

Galway ran out comfortable winners in the end against Dublin but the first half was tough enough and Dublin's sheer doggedness and physicality was causing Galway some real issues . If they can bring that to Thurles and keep the game tight until half time I could see Tipperary getting a bit jittery like last week.

I'm not convinced Dublin will win but I think they'll be closer than the nine point handicap.

I also think it may be close(ish) but that's more down to the fact that Tipp are so unconvincing at the moment rather than anything Dublin have done.

There's no doubt Tipp are a bit vulnerable but there's no evidence to suggest that Dublin will be good enough to fully capitalise on that. Dublin have gone backwards under Ger Cunningham and Tipp will probably get through this one without necessarily being at their best.

I still wouldn't write Tipp off as All-Ireland contenders but they will need to find their mojo pretty soon or they will be gone.

washman3 · 06-07-2017 01:23AM

Patww79 wrote: »

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Didn't matter in this round who is drawn first.
Second round qualifier games are neutral venues.
(well supposed to be anyway)

OldMrBrennan83 · 06-07-2017 01:29AM

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mountgomery burns · 06-07-2017 07:37AM

Patww79 wrote: »

Ah right, cheers. I get the neutral thing but I'd read a lot about Dublin giving up a home tie in Parnell, which is strange considering it was never on the table at all.

Who said that?

gobo99 · 06-07-2017 08:02AM

Patww79 wrote: »

Ah right, cheers. I get the neutral thing but I'd read a lot about Dublin giving up a home tie in Parnell, which is strange considering it was never on the table at all.

When they say 'Dublin gave up home advantage' they don't mean that Dublin originally had home advantage, it's more that they have allowed Tipp have the home advantage.

OldMrBrennan83 · 06-07-2017 09:34AM

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gobo99 · 06-07-2017 10:18AM

Patww79 wrote: »

'Giving up home advantage' is an odd way of putting it.

True, it's a strange turn of phrase seeing as the Dubs didn't have much choice in matter.

kala85 · 07-07-2017 12:38AM

What way does the draw work for the semi.final and quarter final.

Can all the teams meet each other again or is there a restriction. For example can cork and Tipp meet again at quarter and semi final stages.

0byme75341jo28 · 07-07-2017 01:33AM

Repeat pairings are avoided at quarter final stage if possible.

KevIRL · 07-07-2017 07:22PM

kala85 wrote: »

What way does the draw work for the semi.final and quarter final.

Can all the teams meet each other again or is there a restriction. For example can cork and Tipp meet again at quarter and semi final stages.

The provincial finalists are kept apart for definite. Eg Wexford will not play Munster runners up in the QF. Galway will not play the Munster champs in the SF.

After that repeat pairings are avoided if possible. In answer to your question cork could play tipp in the QF if they lose Munster and tipp and Waterford win the R2 qualifier as there would be a draw between those two teams to see who played cork and Wexford as both had previously played cork

dastardly00 · 08-07-2017 06:32PM

Full time: Tipperary 6-26 Dublin 1-19

Massive moral boost for Tipp team and supporters.

letowski · 08-07-2017 07:07PM

Waterford 2 up after 5mins. Playing a 1 man up top condensing midfield. Looks like this is going to be a tight edgey game. May not open up Id say.

Joekers · 08-07-2017 07:17PM

12 week ban coming for Cody with the hands on the linesman there :pac:

letowski · 08-07-2017 07:25PM

Kilkenny will need to think their way through this of they want to will. 2 lousy points after 23mins in another clueless show from their forwards. Need to be smarter and sharper with their usage of ball to beat this packed Wat backline.

letowski · 08-07-2017 07:38PM

Kk look like they will be put out of their misery this year.

threeball · 08-07-2017 07:39PM

Joekers wrote: »

12 week ban coming for Cody with the hands on the linesman there :pac:

Not a chance. They got away without a yellow for throwing the hurl and for the foul leading up to the goal also. Even at this stage they operate under a different set of rules

dastardly00 · 08-07-2017 07:41PM

letowski wrote: »

Kk look like they will be put out of their misery this year.

Please, pull the trigger now

dastardly00 · 08-07-2017 07:43PM

threeball wrote: »

Not a chance. They got away without a yellow for throwing the hurl and for the foul leading up to the goal also. Even at this stage they operate under a different set of rules

Don't think Lennon actually threw the hurl, he just lost grip off it when trying to dispossess Gleeson.

But yes should have been a yellow card for sure for Murphy.

JoseJones · 08-07-2017 07:47PM

He couldn't book Lennon for that in fairness after letting a Waterford player away with it earlier.

letowski · 08-07-2017 07:49PM

I think Cody's forward play and stategy isnt right, but its a mute point anyway when your touch and striking is so far off. For mid July there is no excuse. Its most surprising given Cody knows the demands of a hurling season like no other. I dont know what to say tbh.

threeball · 08-07-2017 07:50PM

dastardly00 wrote: »

Don't think Lennon actually threw the hurl, he just lost grip off it when trying to dispossess Gleeson.

But yes should have been a yellow card for sure for Murphy.

He wasn't even in a position to tackle. He slapped across the shoulder and let go off the hurl at the same time. Could have got yellow for either offence

The White Feather · 08-07-2017 07:53PM

Both teams seem afraid to lose rather than go win it. Waterford seem to be just a bit better but they could have killed off the game by now.

I haven't seen a Kilkenny team so jittery before. Dropped balls, misplaced passes and missed frees.

KK have their backs against the wall now so they have to come out guns blazing and fight back.They have a history of coming back so I expect a massive second half.

Can Waterford get over the line? Will KK come flying back like they have in the past?

Knock out stuff is the most exciting!!

All Ireland SHC Final (formerly SHC thread) - READ MOD NOTE POST #1

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