Who is your favourite DS9 character?

scudzilla · 06-07-2017 10:41am #1

Just in the middle of S4 on a rewatch of DS9, fav character for me has to be Quark.

Poll added, hope i've not missed any

Inviere · 06-07-2017 10:41am

Hard to look past Garak

helimachoptor · 06-07-2017 10:44am

Inviere wrote: »

Hard to look past Garak

Yep and Dukat, but Garak would shade it

"And all it took was the self respect of one star fleet captain" perhaps his best line?

Jfrost · 06-07-2017 10:46am

Mron is the only character worth following....his arch over the 7 seasons was the template for Breaking Bad.

scudzilla · 06-07-2017 10:48am

Inviere wrote: »

Hard to look past Garak

Like Garak, but IMO he wasn't utilised enough in the episodes, could have delved a LOT deeper, although i am only on the middle of S4 so that may come, can;t remember if they did first time around

Evade · 06-07-2017 11:06am

Definitely Garak. I think he was used just enough, if he had shown up more regularly I think it would have lessened the whole mystique.

One of his best lines:
Garak "My dear Doctor, they're all true."
Bashir "Even the lies?"
Garak "Especially the lies."

donspeekinglesh · 06-07-2017 11:18am

Definitely Garak, particularly his line that the moral of the story Boy who cried wolf is to never tell the same lie twice.

Kiith · 06-07-2017 12:12pm

Garak, followed by Dukat, followed by Worf.

pawrick · 06-07-2017 12:19pm

I'd have to go with Quark but I could have as easily gone with Garak or Gul Dukat.
Kira Nerys, Jadzia Dax, Jake, Ezri Dax and Keiko would make up the bottom of your list for me in that order.

AtomicHorror · 06-07-2017 12:30pm

I think Garak is certainly a character who was better for how little we knew about him.

Over-using him would have lessened him. The frequent suggestions that he should have been brought back in a new series or even be the focus of one, I understand but I just can't agree with.

This is the sentiment of children who want to eat all the sweets in the shop. This is the sentiment that made the Borg bland and tedious.

Baggly · 06-07-2017 12:32pm

I know he is Irish so there is a bias there, but O Brien was a great character. He was the everyman of the show (saw the producers say this on a DVD extras bit) and yet held his own on a good few eps.

my3cents · 06-07-2017 12:41pm

Doing this the other way never really liked Keiko O'Brien, maybe you weren't supposed to like the character she defo rated alongside Kai Winn in my book.

Baggly · 06-07-2017 12:44pm

Kai Winn can **** right off.

my3cents · 06-07-2017 1:00pm

And no mention of Leeta? Can't have DS9 without a dabo girl.

Evade · 06-07-2017 1:10pm

AtomicHorror wrote: »

Over-using him would have lessened him. The frequent suggestions that he should have been brought back in a new series or even be the focus of one, I understand but I just can't agree with.

I'd love a Star Trek anthology series that had a look at where TNG/DS9/VOY character were around the start of the 25th century. I think a Garak story could work very well in a series like that.

Optimus Prime · 06-07-2017 1:17pm

Another vote for Garek, but i think Chief OBrien was great as well, the amount of times he was killed, kidnapped, stranded or replaced is ridiculous throughout the run.

Inviere · 06-07-2017 2:26pm

Kira is a great and very fleshed out character, and brilliantly acted by Nana Visitor. That is, once you get passed the first few "I'm an angry Bajoran" episodes. By the time you get to "Duet" in the first season, she starts hitting her stride.

ScumLord · 06-07-2017 4:44pm

I think Quark, he was probably the most human character on the show. After him it has to be Worf.

Cookie_Monster · 07-07-2017 1:43am

Inviere wrote: »

Kira is a great and very fleshed out character, and brilliantly acted by Nana Visitor. That is, once you get passed the first few "I'm an angry Bajoran" episodes. By the time you get to "Duet" in the first season, she starts hitting her stride.

For all the back story and development of the character I have to stay she remained one of the most annoying characters in it.

Garak for me, just in front of Quark

Kiith · 07-07-2017 10:18am

I quite liked Kira's arc, and she became one of the most fleshed out characters in the show. On my most recent re-watch, i really enjoyed the Bajoran story, and you really see her evolve from the angry person she started as. Her relationship with Sisko was great as well.

AtomicHorror · 07-07-2017 10:19am

Evade wrote: »

I'd love a Star Trek anthology series that had a look at where TNG/DS9/VOY character were around the start of the 25th century. I think a Garak story could work very well in a series like that.

That I would enjoy.

TheIrishGrover · 10-07-2017 11:35am

The development of Garak (Who got my vote) was fantastic and unprecedented for a Star Trek series. To have him in place that long (2nd episode) and slowly build up his character. Sure, I'd imagine that the specifics of his character arc was pretty fluid as the writers planned their overall storylines. But you instantly knew he was some form of spy. When you compare his character progression with, say, any of the Maquis in Voyager, it's fantastic. When Voyager was announced they initially made a big deal about the fact that this would be a Federation and Maquis crew that would have their own opinions and politics and this could have been interesting. But there was no character development of ANY of the characters (But that's been discussed extensively in other threads)

Plus, he had ALL the best scenes and lines:

BASHIR: But the point is, if you lie all the time, nobody's going to believe you even when you're telling the truth.
GARAK: Are you sure that's the point, Doctor?
BASHIR: Of course. What else could it be?
GARAK: That you should never tell the same lie twice.

GARAK: Precisely. And the more the Dominion protests their innocence, the more the Romulans will believe they're guilty because it's exactly what the Romulans would have done in their place. That's why you came to me, isn't it, Captain? Because you knew I could do those things that you weren't capable of doing. Well, it worked. And you'll get what you want, a war between the Romulans and the Dominion. And if your conscience is bothering you, you should soothe it with the knowledge that you may have just saved the entire Alpha Quadrant and all it cost was the life of one Romulan senator, one criminal, and the self-respect of one Starfleet officer. I don't know about you, but I'd call that a bargain.

IvySlayer · 11-07-2017 5:40pm

I wish Q and Garak met

Favourite character is Chief O'Brien

He's not genetically enhanced, an emissary, a former assassin, a terrorist, a Klingon, a shapeshifter nor does he have a slug inside him.

Just a regular guy with a family who fixes things for a living.

Garak, Worf, Sisko, Quark and Martok are all awesome too!

_Kaiser_ · 11-07-2017 6:35pm

I'd agree on Garak but I have to say, Dukat was almost as good. The entire arc he went through - from bad guy, to reluctant ally/sorta good guy, to bad guy again, to crazed loon was just brilliant to watch and fantastic acting. Watching him and Garak together was great:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJGOSB9NkTY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Or1vR2BIk7c

Ziyal really expanded the character though.. and the episode Waltz with him and Sisko trapped on a moon together is fantastic TV.

Evade · 11-07-2017 6:39pm

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Or1vR2BIk7c

That scene led to my favourite Garak lines ever. Skip to 2:28 for the scene.

Lu Tze · 11-07-2017 6:46pm

Garak for me also. Though i see sisko hasnt been mentioned yet in a comment. I wasnt particularly gone on character, or the whole arc he had, but i thought the actor was good, seemed like he had just come of a stage as he seemed to be projecting his voice a lot which amused me

Evade · 11-07-2017 6:49pm

Lu Tze wrote: »

but i thought the actor was good, seemed like he had just come of a stage as he seemed to be projecting his voice a lot which amused me

If you watch the Captains documentary Avery Brooks seems to be at 11 most of the time.

donspeekinglesh · 11-07-2017 11:15pm

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

and the episode Waltz with him and Sisko trapped on a moon together is fantastic TV.

It is. Just watched it now for the first time.

Also Starring LeVar Burton · 12-07-2017 4:08am

Quark just edges out the competition for me slightly, although closely followed by O'Brien, Nog, Garak, and Morn.

the_syco · 12-07-2017 5:38am

Liked Jadzia Dax as she is a babe, and could kick ass. Also, good presence.

Liked Miles as he was a stubborn lad who refused to back down, but liked fixing things.

And finally I liked Garack as lack of back story at the start allowed us to learn of his past during the film. He played the role of an ex-Soviet spy who was thrown to the wolves, but yet you never knew what side he was on.

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downwithpeace · 14-07-2017 10:04pm

Garak and Dukat but out of the two Garak.

Garak had an interesting place in DS9 in that his interactions with other characters were really well done. O'Brien and Bashir had that really good friendship going on but Garak had a similar indepth feel with multiple other characters. He was the loveable rogue.

FutureGuy · 25-07-2017 3:45pm

Garak. So many of his quotes are epic.

Kirby · 26-07-2017 5:15am

my3cents wrote: »

Doing this the other way never really liked Keiko O'Brien, maybe you weren't supposed to like the character she defo rated alongside Kai Winn in my book.

The fact that she was played by one of the worst actors of all time didn't help.

Jesus, she was bad. Tommy Wiseau levels of bad.

IvySlayer · 29-07-2017 12:01am

I really don't get the hate for Keiko, I like see Chief O'Briens family life...Plus she gave Worf his best lines...

Ezri Dax is much worse.

I hate Kai Winn too but she's a great villain you're supposed to hate her!

Rawr · 31-07-2017 9:44pm

IvySlayer wrote: »

I really don't get the hate for Keiko, I like see Chief O'Briens family life...Plus she gave Worf his best lines...

Ezri Dax is much worse.

I hate Kai Winn too but she's a great villain you're supposed to hate her!

Ezri was a bit off-putting after years of a far better Jadzia Dax. She always felt like a mini/lame version of Jadzia (minus the Klingon-bashing "old-man")

Was never a massive fan of Keiko, but I felt that she went well with O'Brien. Their kid was annoying as hell though...Star Trek has rarely been good with child actors.

I choose Sisko in the poll (I also think Garak was awesome, but the Captain deserves some love), however my DS9 favourite was always Weyoun.

There's something about him that often lifted an episode of me. There's something truly chilling about a villain who lulls you with kindness, only to have you cut down by his Jem'Hadar as soon as you get in his way. Weyoun and the other Vorta really made the Dominion into a complete and truly entertaining villain.

Beefy78 · 09-08-2017 9:22am

To be honest there were very few characters who I didn't like, which was the strength of the show. Obviously I disliked Winn but that's exactly what you're supposed to think about her. I wasn't keen on Kira initially but she grew on me. Same with Bashir.

Jake was one of my favourites. It's rare to get a kid character who isn't terribly written and I enjoyed his character's journey. Plus he had incredible chemistry with Avery Brooks. You could totally buy into them as father and son.

Rom and Leeta were great; Garak obviously. Dukat is one of TV's great badguys.

I'd be tempted by O'Brien but I'm going to take Sisko. DS9 is his story, after all.

Rawr · 09-08-2017 10:09am

Beefy78 wrote: »

To be honest there were very few characters who I didn't like, which was the strength of the show. Obviously I disliked Winn but that's exactly what you're supposed to think about her. I wasn't keen on Kira initially but she grew on me. Same with Bashir.

Jake was one of my favourites. It's rare to get a kid character who isn't terribly written and I enjoyed his character's journey. Plus he had incredible chemistry with Avery Brooks. You could totally buy into them as father and son.

Rom and Leeta were great; Garak obviously. Dukat is one of TV's great badguys.

I'd be tempted by O'Brien but I'm going to take Sisko. DS9 is his story, after all.

That's a very good point with Jake, and I'm only realizing now that feat they had managed with him (and Nog aswell).

Sci-Fi throughout the 80's and 90's was awash with annoying Child insert characters from the likes of Boxey in the original BSG, to V's 'Star Child', classic Weasley Crusher and ending of course with our favourite 'Captian's Assistant' Naomi Wildman (shudder).

I believe this was done as a means of trying to 'relate' to younger audiences, while ironically usually doing the opposite (Dear God I hated the fact that a kid could fly the Enterprise. It bugged me no end. I was delighted when he left.)

However, Jake never seemed to register on that level. He simply made sense being there on DS9. His relationship with his dad was very believable as was his friendship with Nog, who also made sense in his own non-annoying way.

Jake and Nog were not annoying Child insert characters which goes to show how well the DS9 characters were made.

Diemos · 09-08-2017 10:18am

Odo hasn't been mentioned once! I'm not saying he was the best, Garak got my vote, just ahead of O'brien, but I thought he played really well against Quark.
Such a good show though.
Kai Winn was a brilliant villain. And Weyoun was amazing too.

Beefy78 · 09-08-2017 10:43am

Rawr wrote: »

That's a very good point with Jake, and I'm only realizing now that feat they had managed with him (and Nog aswell).

Sci-Fi throughout the 80's and 90's was awash with annoying Child insert characters from the likes of Boxey in the original BSG, to V's 'Star Child', classic Weasley Crusher and ending of course with our favourite 'Captian's Assistant' Naomi Wildman (shudder).

I believe this was done as a means of trying to 'relate' to younger audiences, while ironically usually doing the opposite (Dear God I hated the fact that a kid could fly the Enterprise. It bugged me no end. I was delighted when he left.)

However, Jake never seemed to register on that level. He simply made sense being there on DS9. His relationship with his dad was very believable as was his friendship with Nog, who also made sense in his own non-annoying way.

Jake and Nog were not annoying Child insert characters which goes to show how well the DS9 characters were made.

Spot-on. Kids in TV shows are generally bad, kids in Sci-Fi shows tend to be walking tropes. I liked that Jake was a clever and capable child but not some kind of prodigy. I liked that his mother died but that the death of his mother wasn't his character's defining feature.

I liked that that the show didn't go down the easy route of having him enrol in Starfleet which for 30 years had been pretty much universally held up as being the natural career of choice for people in that Universe. Instead he grappled with working out what he did want to do, which really resonated with me as a kid of a similar age.

1hnr79jr65 · 09-08-2017 10:59am

For me my top 3 are in the following order

1. Garak - especially for the episode "In the pale moonlight". Always has a backup plan for a backup plan, thinking many moves ahead of his opponent. Would love to see debate between Garak and Data.

2. Sisko - hardass captain, made decisions that were tough yet provocative. Always had a bit of ferengi and cardassian/romulan in the way he managed others. Best bad guy type move Sisko makes, poisoning the maquis colony in quest to get back at Michael Eddington (also another great character) in "For the uniform"

3. Luther Sloan - Love this side of the federation that you would normally never see, very few episodes where section 31 show up but when they do are impactful. Especially like the episode "Extreme measures" with Bashir and O'Brien wondering around Sloan's decaying mind trying to find the cure for Odo, however even in his mind he taunts them with temptations to remain and die with him having secrets of section 31.

goose2005 · 10-08-2017 9:16pm

Kirby wrote: »

The fact that she was played by one of the worst actors of all time didn't help.

Jesus, she was bad. Tommy Wiseau levels of bad.

MILES!

TheIrishGrover · 11-08-2017 2:55pm

goose2005 wrote: »

MILES!

FYP: MYYYYY-ellllllsssss

How can you put two syllables into Miles?

helimachoptor · 20-08-2017 10:35am

Terry Farrell is marrying Adam Nimoy

Inviere · 20-08-2017 11:06am

helimachoptor wrote: »

Terry Farrell is marrying Adam Nimoy

Didn't she fancy his dad....

goose2005 · 21-08-2017 2:21pm

Inviere wrote: »

Didn't she fancy his dad....

the old Reverse Baelish manouevre

User45701 · 24-09-2017 10:40am

Plain simple Garek
wins it (ofcoarse he had my vote as well)

anyone interred in more its non cannon but he wrote book thats in the form of a letter Garek writes to Julian post DS9

its called a stitch in time (garek tell bashir about his own youth and the cardassian reconstruction effort)

Inviere · 24-09-2017 12:17pm

Slarkon wrote: »

Plain simple Garek
wins it (ofcoarse he had my vote as well)

anyone interred in more its non cannon but he wrote book thats in the form of a letter Garek writes to Julian post DS9

its called a stitch in time (garek tell bashir about his own youth and the cardassian reconstruction effort)

That's one non canon book I'd be interested in (possibly the only one!), must pick it up

Josey Wales · 02-10-2017 9:19pm

Slarkon wrote: »

Plain simple Garek
wins it (ofcoarse he had my vote as well)

anyone interred in more its non cannon but he wrote book thats in the form of a letter Garek writes to Julian post DS9

its called a stitch in time (garek tell bashir about his own youth and the cardassian reconstruction effort)

I was actually a little disappointed by the book. I think I was hoping for it to concentrate more on the fallout of the Dominion War but it focuses more on filling out Garak's past.

Justin Credible Darts · 24-03-2018 2:28am

Garak for me,
I think mixing the main characters in with the fantastic reoccurring characters skewed the results.

Dukat was probably the second best reoccurring character , just beating Rom, Matok, Damar, Kai Winn , with the last 3 not even included on the poll.
Give me the likes of Dukat, Martok, etc over Jake, Keiko anyday.

garbo speaks · 31-03-2018 4:20pm

Is anyone going to mention Leeta? She had the most gorgeous big...eyes.

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