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Kilkenny GAA Thread Part 2 **MOD NOTE POST 1***

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,603 ✭✭✭Village87


    pmy.murphy wrote: »
    I wouldnt drop Fogarty, Id sooner put him back in his best position at midfield

    Plenty of competition midfield with Fennelly, Deegan & Ryan hurling well Saturday. Fogarty has struggled on Barron last 2/3 times Kilkenny played Waterford, Barron was running the show.. Fogarty is very slow to recover when turned and very slow to clear the ball. leading to poor ball into the full forward line.

    I fully agree with TJ, grabbed the game by the scruff of the neck and dragged Kilkenny back into it, with 2 lads on him lost off the match and a lot of the puck outs coming down his way, Cant expect him to do much more. Carrying Kilkenny at times


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,277 ✭✭✭danganabu


    dubcat51 wrote: »
    Agree ger and richie have been poor but for me their class acts that will come good.I rate bolger highly but he seems nervous and snatched at chances.in both games he had 2 goal chances

    I said it here at the start of the year and was roundly criticised that Ger Aylward was been put up on a pedestal that was scarcely deserved, he had one excellent run of form but has had as many poor games as he has bad at senior inter-county level - like a lot of players that are out injured or out of favour, its amazing how their stock rises the longer they are missing.
    washman3 wrote: »
    Was talking about last Saturday's game. Tipp drew home advantage, Westmeath requested they go to Mullingar and play it there. Tipp refused point blank.
    Would've been nice for Westmeath fans seeing their team play the AI champions at home.

    Second time you have made this false claim, stick to the facts and people might actually take notice of what you are saying.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 381 ✭✭JimboJones99


    Just something else I wanted to bring up about the match against Limerick... TJ Reid's performance.

    Most people in the thread have said that TJ played okay/average.

    I myself said last week that Reid needed to improve, in particular scoring from play.

    Although he only got 2 points from play on Saturday night, I thought he contributed a lot.

    He cleanly caught at least 5 balls that came from puck-outs/long clearances, that resulted in 3 frees (I think) which he scored from. No other KK forward was able to catch a cold let alone a sliotar against Limerick.

    He's setting up goal scoring chances for other players. The point that Walter scored in the first half where he went on a long run and tapped it over the bar started with a pass from TJ (Walter should have squared that ball across the goal as Alyward was completely unmarked). TJ gave the pass to Mick Fennelly for his run which resulted in the one-handed strike on goal in the first half. In the second half, it's was TJ's clever ground stroke that gave Bolger the guilt-edge goal scoring chance.

    One thing that TJ could improve on is his ability to get away from defenders when he gets possession (usually from catches). He seems to get fouled a lot and this was evident during both the Limerick and Wexford games. I know he's our star player so he will always be marked very tightly and it's easier said than done etc.

    Maybe he is content to get fouled, knowing that he himself will be able to slot over the free... (or I'm probably talking out of my a*se). But the more he can evade the opposition defenders, the more scoring chances he can set up for himself and others. And scoring from play will always generate more confidence and momentum that scoring from frees.

    I couldnt agree more. I thought he was superb, especially considering the lack of help around him. He is our only forward who is able to consistently win a 50/50 ball.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,066 ✭✭✭tbiggertycome


    Meet a non-Kilkenny man this morning who happened to be on a work phonecall with one of the older Waterford starters when the news of the draw came through to him yesterday.
    Player interrupts conversation with "Ah f**k!"
    The lad said "Whats wrong?"
    Silence for about a minute,
    Then in a somber tone "We've drawn feckin Kilkenny" and quickly turned the call back to work.

    Contrary to John Mullane's strange assertion that Waterford would/will be delighted to play Kilkenny, that Waterford veteran wasn't enamoured with the idea. Not that I think they'll be sh*****g themselves or anything I just found it interesting to hear that response.

    There's one thing about Waterfords victory over Offaly where I can see light. It sounded impressive and something to be really worried about from a Kilkenny perspective. It could be thought that Waterford are back on track and we struggled over Limerick. However when you consider Tipperary trounced Offaly in challenge match a month ago by 8-22 to 0-12 (took starting 15 off at half time and instructed the new players to go for points only in the second half) it puts the Waterford result into context. Especially when you see how Tipp struggled against Westmeath (although they're better team than Offaly currently). If Tipp can run up that kind of score against Offaly when in such poor form should Waterford not have done even more, silly to try infer a different teams worth from looking at how two teams did against the same opposition but to only score one goal is poor display for me, unless they were practicing their outfield shooting?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,603 ✭✭✭Village87


    Meet a non-Kilkenny man this morning who happened to be on a work phonecall with one of the older Waterford starters when the news of the draw came through to him yesterday.
    Player interrupts conversation with "Ah f**k!"
    The lad said "Whats wrong?"
    Silence for about a minute,
    Then in a somber tone "We've drawn feckin Kilkenny" and quickly turned the call back to work.

    Contrary to John Mullane's strange assertion that Waterford would/will be delighted to play Kilkenny, that Waterford veteran wasn't enamoured with the idea. Not that I think they'll be sh*****g themselves or anything I just found it interesting to hear that response.

    There's one thing about Waterfords victory over Offaly where I can see light. It sounded impressive and something to be really worried about from a Kilkenny perspective. It could be thought that Waterford are back on track and we struggled over Limerick. However when you consider Tipperary trounced Offaly in challenge match a month ago by 8-22 to 0-12 (took starting 15 off at half time and instructed the new players to go for points only in the second half) it puts the Waterford result into context. Especially when you see how Tipp struggled against Westmeath (although they're better team than Offaly currently). If Tipp can run up that kind of score against Offaly when in such poor form should Waterford not have done even more, silly to try infer a different teams worth from looking at how two teams did against the same opposition but to only score one goal is poor display for me, unless they were practicing their outfield shooting?

    How can you compare a championship match to a challenge and they still scored 1-35. You can look at it this way too, 36 scores to 30..

    Look Kilkenny v Waterford is 50-50 whoever makes the less mistakes and take there chances will win , very hard to call


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭redlead


    Meet a non-Kilkenny man this morning who happened to be on a work phonecall with one of the older Waterford starters when the news of the draw came through to him yesterday.
    Player interrupts conversation with "Ah f**k!"
    The lad said "Whats wrong?"
    Silence for about a minute,
    Then in a somber tone "We've drawn feckin Kilkenny" and quickly turned the call back to work.

    Contrary to John Mullane's strange assertion that Waterford would/will be delighted to play Kilkenny, that Waterford veteran wasn't enamoured with the idea. Not that I think they'll be sh*****g themselves or anything I just found it interesting to hear that response.

    There's one thing about Waterfords victory over Offaly where I can see light. It sounded impressive and something to be really worried about from a Kilkenny perspective. It could be thought that Waterford are back on track and we struggled over Limerick. However when you consider Tipperary trounced Offaly in challenge match a month ago by 8-22 to 0-12 (took starting 15 off at half time and instructed the new players to go for points only in the second half) it puts the Waterford result into context. Especially when you see how Tipp struggled against Westmeath (although they're better team than Offaly currently). If Tipp can run up that kind of score against Offaly when in such poor form should Waterford not have done even more, silly to try infer a different teams worth from looking at how two teams did against the same opposition but to only score one goal is poor display for me, unless they were practicing their outfield shooting?

    You can't possible compare a challenge game to championship. Also you can't really criticise a team for only scoring 1-35. The Offaly game gives absolutely no indication of where Waterford are at because unfortunately Offaly really are dire at the moment.

    I find that story about the Waterford players reaction hard to believe. The big thing for Waterford and I'd imagine Kilkenny too was to avoid Tipperary. After that we would both obviously prefer Dublin but we're happy enough with Kilkenny. Could have been worse, could have been better. I'd imagine Kilkenny feel the exact same.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47 Kenajonn


    Dionysis wrote: »
    no one said bad stroke or dirty stroke, but he's at off the ball continuosly.
    Waterford were at it against KK last year, and Cork people were complaining after the minster game this year too. This Waterford team are anything but saints, which is surprising for such a young side. KK need to stand up to this on Saturday, they didn't against Wexford, but they need to Saturday.

    I was at both games and I saw no off the ball stuff. It is strange how peoples opinions differ. Waterford are not a dirty side and trying to make them out has one is just wrong. I hated it when Kilkenny were labeled a dirty side.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 931 ✭✭✭Cornerback1


    Just wondering, will their be extra time in the games on Saturday evening or will they go to replays?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47 Kenajonn


    Just wondering, will their be extra time in the games on Saturday evening or will they go to replays?

    I think it would be extra time. Didn't we finish level last time and that went to extra time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,561 ✭✭✭✭dastardly00


    Just wondering, will their be extra time in the games on Saturday evening or will they go to replays?

    Extra time in both matches.
    Could be a long night ala the Phase 3 Qualifiers in 2013.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,747 ✭✭✭brookville


    I agree this game is 50-50.Both kk and waterford will be happy to avoid tipp.
    I was listening to dalo last night he was saying while he doesn't see us winning the all Ireland he wouldn't be suprised to see us in the final.
    Positives from the other night our backs and mf are improving we need more from our ff line especially and if that happens who knows what could happen next Saturday night


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 931 ✭✭✭Cornerback1


    Kenajonn wrote: »
    Just wondering, will their be extra time in the games on Saturday evening or will they go to replays?

    I think it would be extra time. Didn't we finish level last time and that went to extra time.

    Last year was a semi-final replay.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,066 ✭✭✭tbiggertycome


    Village87 wrote: »
    Meet a non-Kilkenny man this morning who happened to be on a work phonecall with one of the older Waterford starters when the news of the draw came through to him yesterday.
    Player interrupts conversation with "Ah f**k!"
    The lad said "Whats wrong?"
    Silence for about a minute,
    Then in a somber tone "We've drawn feckin Kilkenny" and quickly turned the call back to work.

    Contrary to John Mullane's strange assertion that Waterford would/will be delighted to play Kilkenny, that Waterford veteran wasn't enamoured with the idea. Not that I think they'll be sh*****g themselves or anything I just found it interesting to hear that response.

    There's one thing about Waterfords victory over Offaly where I can see light. It sounded impressive and something to be really worried about from a Kilkenny perspective. It could be thought that Waterford are back on track and we struggled over Limerick. However when you consider Tipperary trounced Offaly in challenge match a month ago by 8-22 to 0-12 (took starting 15 off at half time and instructed the new players to go for points only in the second half) it puts the Waterford result into context. Especially when you see how Tipp struggled against Westmeath (although they're better team than Offaly currently). If Tipp can run up that kind of score against Offaly when in such poor form should Waterford not have done even more,(missing it's) silly to try infer a different teams worth from looking at how two teams did against the same opposition but to only score one goal is poor display for me, unless they were practicing their outfield shooting?
    How can you compare a championship match to a challenge and they still scored 1-35. You can look at it this way too, 36 scores to 30..

    Look Kilkenny v Waterford is 50-50 whoever makes the less mistakes and take there chances will win , very hard to call I never made any claim on the outcome of the game

    Apologies i left out- it's.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 931 ✭✭✭Cornerback1


    Kilkenny U 21 Team v Wexford.
    1.D Brennan
    2. M. Cody
    3. C Delaney
    4. J Burke
    5. D Mullen
    6. J Cleere
    7. T Walsh
    8. L Scanlan
    9. P Lyng
    10. A Murphy
    11. J Donnelly
    12. S Morrissey
    13. S Walsh
    14. L Blanchfield
    15. B Ryan

    16 L Dunphy
    17 R Bergin
    18 J Walsh
    19 N Mc Mahon
    20 K Crowley
    21 E Kenny
    22 R Leahy
    23 C Hennessy
    24 J Bergin.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,066 ✭✭✭tbiggertycome


    redlead wrote: »
    You can't possible compare a challenge game to championship. Also you can't really criticise a team for only scoring 1-35. I didn't criticise them for scoring 35 points I just think they should be scoring a lot more goals against a team like Offaly is all. The Offaly game gives absolutely no indication of where Waterford are at because unfortunately Offaly really are dire at the moment. See the response to Village87

    I find that story about the Waterford players reaction hard to believe. The big thing for Waterford and I'd imagine Kilkenny too was to avoid Tipperary. After that we would both obviously prefer Dublin but we're happy enough with Kilkenny. Could have been worse, could have been better. I'd imagine Kilkenny feel the exact same.
    I don't really mind if you believe it or not, I know the man and he works with one of the Waterford players and he's regularly spot on when it comes to Waterford and he's not a bluffer. I doubt the player feels that way now it was just an initial reaction. I don't think it will have any bearing on the game or the player in questions performance, I just thought it was an interesting reaction.

    To be honest the way Tipp are hurling I think both Waterford and Kilkenny would have loved to get them, as they are in complete disarray since the League final. Kilkenny and Waterford got the hard draw and it will be a tough game and I honestly don't know how it'll go. When I heard the draw first my reaction was that we were really in trouble but my opinion is becoming a bit more balanced. It'll all come down to who has more belief on the day and probably a little bit of luck on the day too but then again you make your own luck much like Maurice Shanahan did the last. His goal against Cork was very lucky in ways, with the bounce to get the ball through a few times but if he wasn't there in the first place it would never have happened obviously.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,066 ✭✭✭tbiggertycome


    Kilkenny U 21 Team v Wexford.
    1.D Brennan
    2. M. Cody
    3. C Delaney
    4. J Burke
    5. D Mullen
    6. J Cleere
    7. T Walsh
    8. L Scanlan
    9. P Lyng
    10. A Murphy
    11. J Donnelly
    12. S Morrissey
    13. S Walsh
    14. L Blanchfield
    15. B Ryan

    16 L Dunphy
    17 R Bergin
    18 J Walsh
    19 N Mc Mahon
    20 K Crowley
    21 E Kenny
    22 R Leahy
    23 C Hennessy
    24 J Bergin.

    Leahy and J Walsh obviously not 100% yet or just not training hard enough but I would suggest the former. Would also hope B Ryan doesn't start in the corner far more effective on the half forward line.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47 Kenajonn


    Last year was a semi-final replay.
    Sorry I meant in the qualifiers in 2013.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,747 ✭✭✭brookville


    Kilkenny U 21 Team v Wexford.
    1.D Brennan
    2. M. Cody
    3. C Delaney
    4. J Burke
    5. D Mullen
    6. J Cleere
    7. T Walsh
    8. L Scanlan
    9. P Lyng
    10. A Murphy
    11. J Donnelly
    12. S Morrissey
    13. S Walsh
    14. L Blanchfield
    15. B Ryan

    16 L Dunphy
    17 R Bergin
    18 J Walsh
    19 N Mc Mahon
    20 K Crowley
    21 E Kenny
    22 R Leahy
    23 C Hennessy
    24 J Bergin.

    I thought Burke at 4 struggled the last day,Shane walsh has yet to really impressed obviously disappointing walsh,leahy and lawlor not fit.Still only 24 which is strange considering lads like gaffney or farrell who walked would be worth carrying


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 931 ✭✭✭Cornerback1


    I think TG4 is covering the game tomorrow evening, for anyone who can't make it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 421 ✭✭droppingball


    As far as I know only 24 players permitted at underage level and 26 at senior level, not sure why. Minors was 24 last Sunday also


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 731 ✭✭✭dubcat51


    Lets hope 21s can follow minors as leinster champions and seniors can show everyone next saturday that we are still alive and kicking.2 wins in a week and I think the confidence all round will come flooding back.looking forward to tomorrow and especially saturday when I expect us to really puck it up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,540 ✭✭✭Comerman


    For those interested this is on klkennygaa.ie "There will be a Public Sale of Stand and Terrace tickets for the Qualifier game in Thurles in Nowlan Park 15 minutes after the under 21 game finishes"


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 100 ✭✭JimTreacy


    The best of luck to the u21s tomorrow night hopefully everything will come right we will get a win . We need to be laying down a marker against Wexford.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,301 ✭✭✭randd1


    Kilkenny U 21 Team v Wexford.
    1.D Brennan
    2. M. Cody
    3. C Delaney
    4. J Burke
    5. D Mullen
    6. J Cleere
    7. T Walsh
    8. L Scanlan
    9. P Lyng
    10. A Murphy
    11. J Donnelly
    12. S Morrissey
    13. S Walsh
    14. L Blanchfield
    15. B Ryan

    16 L Dunphy
    17 R Bergin
    18 J Walsh
    19 N Mc Mahon
    20 K Crowley
    21 E Kenny
    22 R Leahy
    23 C Hennessy
    24 J Bergin.

    I see Kevin Farrell has walked off the panel.

    Given his form the last two years where last year he was the key man in them going on to win the Intermediate AI and he's been by far Carrickshock's best forward in senior this year and pops up with at least a few scores from play, you have to wonder why lads like him would bother doing all that training when the likes of Blanchfield (who's an honest lad and trier I have good time for but nonetheless has produced nothing of note at club, U21 or senior the last few years) are starting ahead of him.

    Fair enough, stay on the panel, fight like a demon and play your way onto team, but I get the impression off the club he was clearly let it known he was there for numbers.

    Sad to see good hurlers walk without been given a fair chance while lads who are clearly never be up to it at senior level walk onto the team. And we wonder why we haven't performed as well at U21 over the years.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,747 ✭✭✭brookville


    randd1 wrote: »
    I see Kevin Farrell has walked off the panel.

    Given his form the last two years where last year he was the key man in them going on to win the Intermediate AI and he's been by far Carrickshock's best forward in senior this year and pops up with at least a few scores from play, you have to wonder why lads like him would bother doing all that training when the likes of Blanchfield (who's an honest lad and trier I have good time for but nonetheless has produced nothing of note at club, U21 or senior the last few years) are starting ahead of him.

    Fair enough, stay on the panel, fight like a demon and play your way onto team, but I get the impression off the club he was clearly let it known he was there for numbers.

    Sad to see good hurlers walk without been given a fair chance while lads who are clearly never be up to it at senior level walk onto the team. And we wonder why we haven't performed as well at U21 over the years.

    Agreed a hundred percent think it shouldn't of being allowed.Andy gaffney was good enough to make the panel last year but not this year


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 100 ✭✭JimTreacy


    randd1 wrote: »
    I see Kevin Farrell has walked off the panel.

    Given his form the last two years where last year he was the key man in them going on to win the Intermediate AI and he's been by far Carrickshock's best forward in senior this year and pops up with at least a few scores from play, you have to wonder why lads like him would bother doing all that training when the likes of Blanchfield (who's an honest lad and trier I have good time for but nonetheless has produced nothing of note at club, U21 or senior the last few years) are starting ahead of him.

    Fair enough, stay on the panel, fight like a demon and play your way onto team, but I get the impression off the club he was clearly let it known he was there for numbers.

    Sad to see good hurlers walk without been given a fair chance while lads who are clearly never be up to it at senior level walk onto the team. And we wonder why we haven't performed as well at U21 over the years.
    Where is that Ciaran Ryan from the Rower gone he was around that minor team when they won, looking at Blanchfield Saturday night during the warm up he kept dropping the ball he seems to have lost confidence the all Ireland last year seem to knock him for dead.As regards Kevin Farrell its a pity they pull off these panels somebody from the club should talk to them tell them to hold on . This match is very important tonight as I said we need to be telling Wexford we are still around.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,603 ✭✭✭Village87


    JimTreacy wrote: »
    Where is that Ciaran Ryan from the Rower gone he was around that minor team when they won, looking at Blanchfield Saturday night during the warm up he kept dropping the ball he seems to have lost confidence the all Ireland last year seem to knock him for dead.As regards Kevin Farrell its a pity they pull off these panels somebody from the club should talk to them tell them to hold on . This match is very important tonight as I said we need to be telling Wexford we are still around.

    In fairness Blanchfield played well the year the bridge won the Intermediate for the club and played well last year v Waterford in the semi final and Tipp in the final both Senior.

    Farrell is way ahead of Shane Walsh from Tullaroan, Eddie Brennan looking after him there, not right


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,603 ✭✭✭Village87


    Village87 wrote: »
    In fairness Blanchfield played well the year the bridge won the Intermediate for the club and played well last year v Waterford in the semi final and Tipp in the final both Senior.

    Farrell is way ahead of Shane Walsh from Tullaroan, Eddie Brennan looking after him there, not right

    Alan Murphy the same, offers little only frees


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,704 ✭✭✭citykat


    randd1 wrote: »
    Kilkenny U 21 Team v Wexford.
    1.D Brennan
    2. M. Cody
    3. C Delaney
    4. J Burke
    5. D Mullen
    6. J Cleere
    7. T Walsh
    8. L Scanlan
    9. P Lyng
    10. A Murphy
    11. J Donnelly
    12. S Morrissey
    13. S Walsh
    14. L Blanchfield
    15. B Ryan

    16 L Dunphy
    17 R Bergin
    18 J Walsh
    19 N Mc Mahon
    20 K Crowley
    21 E Kenny
    22 R Leahy
    23 C Hennessy
    24 J Bergin.

    I see Kevin Farrell has walked off the panel.

    Given his form the last two years where last year he was the key man in them going on to win the Intermediate AI and he's been by far Carrickshock's best forward in senior this year and pops up with at least a few scores from play, you have to wonder why lads like him would bother doing all that training when the likes of Blanchfield (who's an honest lad and trier I have good time for but nonetheless has produced nothing of note at club, U21 or senior the last few years) are starting ahead of him.

    Fair enough, stay on the panel, fight like a demon and play your way onto team, but I get the impression off the club he was clearly let it known he was there for numbers.

    Sad to see good hurlers walk without been given a fair chance while lads who are clearly never be up to it at senior level walk onto the team. And we wonder why we haven't performed as well at U21 over the years.
    Jesus this bollocks never gets old. So the U21 management team are not picking a team on merit but rather their favourites and to hell with results? If Farrell was good enough he'd be on that team end of. Nothing personal against him just reality. There's no comparison between club intermediate and U21 inter county, the latter being a higher standard. Blanchfields form has been poor this year but imo his best performances have been for the U21 team. Also he got subbed after 43 mins against Westmeath. That's not how you treat a 'favourite'.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,369 ✭✭✭JJs Left Hand


    Village87 wrote: »
    In fairness Blanchfield played well the year the bridge won the Intermediate for the club and played well last year v Waterford in the semi final and Tipp in the final both Senior.

    Farrell is way ahead of Shane Walsh from Tullaroan, Eddie Brennan looking after him there, not right
    Why would a Ballycallan man be looking after a Tullaroan chap? Also, while I don't think Murphy is a world beater by any means he is an unreal free taker and worth having there for the guaranteed scores he provides.

    Some fair amount of bollocks talked in this thread about bias while lads spout their own version of it. Again, don't think Blanchfield should be starting with the seniors at the minute but people saying he's never done anything have short memories considering he scored 3 points on his championship debut against Waterford last year. He's still U21 and people want him cut loose as not good enough. What were ye at when ye were 21? Give the lad a chance to improve.


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