Mayo GAA Discussion Part 2

windy shepard henderson · 03-07-2017 12:13AM

mayo.mick wrote: »

:D:D

https://twitter.com/D9BMayo/status/881600388918587392

had me going too great post , must have had a skinfull like myself last night with my mans game comment , apologizes , it was an appalling incident by the derry player

seligehgit · 03-07-2017 08:40AM

Clare v Mayo

Mountjoy Mugger · 03-07-2017 08:43AM

Trying to find B&B is Ennis is impossible,.

PressRun · 03-07-2017 08:46AM

Not an ideal draw tbh.

seligehgit · 03-07-2017 08:46AM

Tricky assignment but if the lads can up their game and perform like we know they can I would be relatively confident of us getting out of Cusack Park alive.

naughto · 03-07-2017 08:52AM

seligehgit wrote: »

Tricky assignment but if the lads can up their game and perform like we know they can I would be relatively confident of us getting out of Cusack Park alive.

If we put over half the number of pints we missed yesterday we should be grand. Glad we missed Donegal

yop · 03-07-2017 08:53AM

naughto wrote: »

If we put over half the number of pints we missed yesterday we should be grand. Glad we missed Donegal

We will be steamed.....

:P

Coillte_Bhoy · 03-07-2017 09:19AM

Mountjoy Mugger wrote: »

Trying to find B&B is Ennis is impossible,.

Try air b and b, i just booked now, plenty available. I was trying hotels last night and everywhere was fully booked.

PressRun · 03-07-2017 09:21AM

We'll definitely need to have a lot more accurate shooting and we'll probably have to look at the sweeper situation. Clare are a better team than Derry so any repeat of the nonsense we saw for 65 minutes on Saturday and it's curtains.

Mountjoy Mugger · 03-07-2017 09:33AM

If we have any legitimate hopes on winning Sam, this is the sort of challenge we should relish.

ureds · 03-07-2017 09:49AM

Wouldn't be surprised if the venue was changed as Ennis only holds approx 15k.
Salthill maybe?

washman3 · 03-07-2017 09:54AM

ureds wrote: »

Wouldn't be surprised if the venue was changed as Ennis only holds approx 15k.
Salthill maybe?

Clare have home advantage. If its not Ennis it will be Limerick.

statto25 · 03-07-2017 09:55AM

ureds wrote: »

Wouldn't be surprised if the venue was changed as Ennis only holds approx 15k.
Salthill maybe?

I cannot see Clare giving up home advantage and if they do it won't be Galway. Maybe Limerick. We all love Limerick!

PARlance · 03-07-2017 10:05AM

Can't see Clare giving up home advantage at all and I think 15k should be plenty.

They only drew a crowd of under 6k for Kerry and 15k would have done us at home vs Sligo.

km79 · 03-07-2017 10:06AM

ureds wrote: »

Wouldn't be surprised if the venue was changed as Ennis only holds approx 15k.
Salthill maybe?

They would be daft to give up home advantage
There was 10k at mchale park last weekend
Will Clare bring 5k ?
Possibly with it being mayo ?
Either way it will be a cracking atmosphere

Fr Tod Umptious · 03-07-2017 10:09AM

km79 wrote: »

They would be daft to give up home advantage
There was 10k at mchale park last weekend
Will Clare bring 5k ?
Possibly with it being mayo ?
Either way it will be a cracking atmosphere

Ennis is probably the biggest dump of a county ground in the whole country.

But it will have a great buzz to it.

A happy hunting ground for Cafferkey, Higgins, Seamus O' Shea, Barry Moran, Conor Loftus, Diarmuid O Connor in their youth.

Have I left anyone out ?

Shurimgreat · 03-07-2017 10:10AM

Unless we find a couple of players in the full back line who can cope with high balls and a couple of starting forwards who can score freely, it will be the same old story this year. Apologies for being pessimistic but I'm getting tired of seeing Mayo managers miss issues which are blatantly obvious to everyone else including opponents. You can't keep making the same selection mistakes and hope for a miracle.

PARlance · 03-07-2017 10:22AM

Shurimgreat wrote: »

Unless we find a couple of players in the full back line who can cope with high balls and a couple of starting forwards who can score freely, it will be the same old story this year. Apologies for being pessimistic but I'm getting tired of seeing Mayo managers miss issues which are blatantly obvious to everyone else including opponents. You can't keep making the same selection mistakes and hope for a miracle.

What would your FB line be? FB has been an issue for Rochford but I'm not seeing any obvious fixes.

I don't think this managements can be accused of making the same selections. In his first year he introduced a sweeper to protect the FB line. He then went leftfield with Barry Moran when faced with an aerial threat against Tipp. This year he has thrown Caff back in, hasn't been great. I can see how persisting with him, in the hope that the rust goes, makes sense.

PressRun · 03-07-2017 10:26AM

Also, for the love of God, can we please refrain from lashing out at opposition players? A game without another straight red would be great.

Shurimgreat · 03-07-2017 10:31AM

PARlance wrote: »

What would your FB line be? FB has been an issue for Rochford but I'm not seeing any obvious fixes.

I don't think this managements can be accused of making the same selections. In his first year he introduced a sweeper to protect the FB line. He then went leftfield with Barry Moran when faced with an aerial threat against Tipp. This year he has thrown Caff back in, hasn't been great. I can see how persisting with him, in the hope that the rust goes, makes sense.

Given our historical difficulties under the high ball at full back, I'd put a midfielder in there who would dominate the area and put a sweeper on front of him to deal with everything else.

That's what a good full back should do (Think Mick Lyons). They should dominate their area and instil fear into opposing forwards. Our current full back line doesn't do that.

So I'd consider a midfielder such as Seamie O'Shea or Danny Kirby, someone to deal with the high ball. A sweeper could look after anything else. Its been a major Achilles heel for years now.

Oldtree · 03-07-2017 10:57AM

We need challenges from here on in if we are to rise to the occasion in September, but still glad it wasn't donegal

Looking forward to ennis.

PARlance · 03-07-2017 11:00AM

Shurimgreat wrote: »

Given our historical difficulties under the high ball at full back, I'd put a midfielder in there who would dominate the area and put a sweeper on front of him to deal with everything else.

That's what a good full back should do (Think Mick Lyons). They should dominate their area and instil fear into opposing forwards. Our current full back line doesn't do that.

So I'd consider a midfielder such as Seamie O'Shea or Danny Kirby, someone to deal with the high ball. A sweeper could look after anything else. Its been a major Achilles heel for years now.

Agreed that it has been a big problem but I don't think throwing a big lad in there is the fix myself. I think any FF worth his salt, be they 5ft nothing or 6 ft 5, would have a field day against O'Shea or Kirby... it's not an easy position to play. Probably requires more learning than any other position imo.

Not trying to dismiss the problem but with the exception of Kerry, there aren't massive aerial threats out there. I would expect Rochford to do something similar to the Barry Moran move if we face them.

I think our best hope is that Caff gets back on form.

Shurimgreat · 03-07-2017 11:20AM

PARlance wrote: »

Agreed that it has been a big problem but I don't think throwing a big lad in there is the fix myself. I think any FF worth his salt, be they 5ft nothing or 6 ft 5, would have a field day against O'Shea or Kirby... it's not an easy position to play. Probably requires more learning than any other position imo.

Not trying to dismiss the problem but with the exception of Kerry, there aren't massive aerial threats out there. I would expect Rochford to do something similar to the Barry Moran move if we face them.

I think our best hope is that Caff gets back on form.

We've seen what happens Cafferkey when you put a big man on him. He either gets pushed aside too easily (Donnaghy both games in 2014) or else he fouls and gives away frees. He's just an accident waiting to happen and half decent teams can see this. Derry got a goal and penalty from two high balls in there and that was towards the end of the game. Modern GAA teams are ruthless in spotting weak links like our full back line and exploiting them. They will stick a big man on Cafferkey and will reap benefits from that.

finbarrk · 03-07-2017 11:40AM

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Ennis is probably the biggest dump of a county ground in the whole country.

But it will have a great buzz to it.

A happy hunting ground for Cafferkey, Higgins, Seamus O' Shea, Barry Moran, Conor Loftus, Diarmuid O Connor in their youth.

Have I left anyone out ?

Is it correct that Mayo have never won an away qualifier game?

Fr Tod Umptious · 03-07-2017 11:44AM

finbarrk wrote: »

Is it correct that Mayo have never won an away qualifier game?

Not sure

They won at least three games in 2002, not sure if they were home or away.

They have won on neutral grounds, v Cavan in Roscommon in 2005 and v Westmeath in CP in 2016.

Edit - your right.
Wins in 2002 where home v Roscommon, in Roscommon v Limerick and in Ennis v Tipp.

PARlance · 03-07-2017 12:21PM

Shurimgreat wrote: »

We've seen what happens Cafferkey when you put a big man on him. He either gets pushed aside too easily (Donnaghy both games in 2014) or else he fouls and gives away frees. He's just an accident waiting to happen and half decent teams can see this. Derry got a goal and penalty from two high balls in there and that was towards the end of the game. Modern GAA teams are ruthless in spotting weak links like our full back line and exploiting them. They will stick a big man on Cafferkey and will reap benefits from that.

Very harsh blaming the FB line for the goal imo. Long ball into the square, that is Clarke's responsibility all day long. He normally deals with them brilliantly but he was caught out on Sat. The peno was a stupid one to give away.

We're probably going over an back but I don't think a midfielder is the answer myself. I also think that Rochford has proven himself to shake things up to suit opposition. I could see him bringing a midfielder back if we face Kerry or Tyrone. I don't think it's a massive problem against others though.

Defensively I was more concerned with them running at us which they did at ease plenty of times. The whole sweeper situation would be my biggest concern defensively. Are we or aren't we playing one, who is it if we are, I think Boyle ruled himself out as a solution to that problem on Sat.

mayo.mick · 03-07-2017 12:41PM

PARlance wrote: »

Very harsh blaming the FB line for the goal imo. Long ball into the square, that is Clarke's responsibility all day long. He normally deals with them brilliantly but he was caught out on Sat. The peno was a stupid one to give away.

We're probably going over an back but I don't think a midfielder is the answer myself. I also think that Rochford has proven himself to shake things up to suit opposition. I could see him bringing a midfielder back if we face Kerry or Tyrone. I don't think it's a massive problem against others though.

Defensively I was more concerned with them running at us which they did at ease plenty of times. The whole sweeper situation would be my biggest concern defensively. Are we or aren't we playing one, who is it if we are, I think Boyle ruled himself out as a solution to that problem on Sat.

Shurimgreat · 03-07-2017 12:46PM

PARlance wrote: »

Very harsh blaming the FB line for the goal imo. Long ball into the square, that is Clarke's responsibility all day long. He normally deals with them brilliantly but he was caught out on Sat. The peno was a stupid one to give away.

We're probably going over an back but I don't think a midfielder is the answer myself. I also think that Rochford has proven himself to shake things up to suit opposition. I could see him bringing a midfielder back if we face Kerry or Tyrone. I don't think it's a massive problem against others though.

Defensively I was more concerned with them running at us which they did at ease plenty of times. The whole sweeper situation would be my biggest concern defensively. Are we or aren't we playing one, who is it if we are, I think Boyle ruled himself out as a solution to that problem on Sat.

Its so obvious how to beat mayo, especially while cafferkey is in there. Stick in a big forward or midfielder, lump a few high balls in and you are guaranteed a goal or two. Kerry did it for fun in 2014. I hope Rochford has learned from that.

I don't rate Cafferkey, he's a weak link and you can get away with a weak link most places on the field but not at full back because it will lead to goals.

As for you saying that only Kerry or Tyrone will have a big man at FF, Dublin have O'Gara, Galway have Damien Comer who also ran riot against Cafferkey, Donegal can stick in Michael Murphy and so on. Virtually every county has the big man for the direct route tactic and it nearly always works against Mayo.

Its obvious to anyone with a clue about football he's a weak link. Nice fellow I'm sure but he doesn't justify his selection.

keeponhurling · 03-07-2017 01:00PM

km79 wrote: »

ureds wrote: »

Wouldn't be surprised if the venue was changed as Ennis only holds approx 15k.
Salthill maybe?

They would be daft to give up home advantage
There was 10k at mchale park last weekend
Will Clare bring 5k ?
Possibly with it being mayo ?
Either way it will be a cracking atmosphere

Clare county board have just spent a pretty penny in developing the stand, and more recently put in a nice new statue of Michael Cusack himself.

They are not going to say the stadium they heavily invested in is not even suitable for a qualifier game.

So no possibility of it being switched out of Ennis.

Cartman78 · 03-07-2017 01:03PM

Anyone reckon this might sell out?

I'm living in Limerick but won't know until the weekend if I'll be able to go or not.

I still probably have PTSD after Croke Park last year, but like the Mob, every time you try to leave, they suck you right back in

Mayo GAA Discussion Part 2

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