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Fight Time From 4am-McGregor vs Mayweather**MOD Warning in 1st Post**

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  • #1412
    Gamebred
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,269 ✭✭✭Gamebred


    Floyd via KO-TKO
    Sweet Science wrote: »
    Thought he was poor boxing wise v conor . he was more a brawler in the 2nd fight . that 1-2 he caught conor with in the 1st was because he was too tired to defend himself


    Both volume strikes never gonna look neat, its works though the way they put a pace on their cardio wins out usually.


  • #1413
    hbhook
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 349 ✭✭hbhook


    Floyd via DQ
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GX742Ukvko


  • #1414
    GerryDerpy
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    Conor via DQ
    Sweet Science wrote: »
    From a basic point of view his punches look slow . He also doesn't seem to have many punches in his locker based on his mma career to date . He has mastered a couple and all his work seems to centered around landing them

    From the footage the main 2 things that stood out was how bad his feet were . They seem to cross over aswel which is a big no no . If they cross while throwing even a check hook could put him down

    In MMA his opponents are quite poor boxing wise which means he can rely on his agility to slip their punches but that won't work boxing a pro boxer . His will rely on unorthodox movement as per JK to avoid and land punches . this will leave him square on and actually easier to hit

    Lastly the jab man . Can't emphasise how important it is offensively and defensively . it doesn't look great from what I've seen . This will be his main issue IMO . He will have nothing to set up a left with and he will have nothing to keep Floyd from landing

    That's a really helpful post bud, much appreciated!

    Mind if I ask some follow up questions though?

    So on the slow punching thing...that still doesn't fit in with what I know about McGregor in MMA. As a physicist by trade, I know that punch power is a function of speed and mass. If he is known as a KO artist, then surely he punches 'fast'?

    I have learned about the jab. When you say his is bad, is it because he doesn't retract it back to his chin (look at me learning)?

    I will say this re Floyd's skill - as a casual fan I am mesmerised watching his old fights. I started focusing purely on his opponents fists. They throw it from nowhere really fast, right towards Floyds head. And he some how is doing Neo from the matrix dodging.


  • #1415
    Outlaw Pete
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    Floyd via DQ
    Seanpen wrote: »
    Anybody no of any hotels in Dublin that will show the fight ?

    Red Cow Hotel usually show McGregor's fights.


  • #1416
    Donald Trump
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,327 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Floyd via DQ
    GerryDerpy wrote: »
    My knowledge of boxing is tiny. Since the fight was announced I have tried to get a grasp by reading the posts of the more knowledgable like yourself. And I still don't feel my understanding is growing regarding pro boxer superiority vs McGregor. I accept it is nobody's job to teach me :-)

    Would be good to get concrete explanations of why McGregors footage makes him so blatently bad at boxing. Maybe I am naive to think it can be so concisely explained but I will persevere and keep reading.

    Ps: I have just thought of an analogy that may help. If you were to ask me what makes a pro soccer player so much better than a good amateur then I wouldn't be able to explain it despite being a soccer anorak. I would say they are just better at every level. Is it the same??

    I would say that maybe a better analogy would be to look at some fella who is very good at doing fancy tricks with a football, balancing and juggling and doing "keepy-uppy" up for hours and thinking that they will beat someone like Messi one-on-one

    The thing about punching/knockout is not only speed/power. It's also timing, accuracy and balance....and it also depends on how open the other person leaves themselves. If your chin is up in the air, you're gonna get knocked out. A relatively light punch that catches you with your chin up and snaps your head back will knock you out quicker than taking a full force straight right to the forehead.......I don't think the MMA guys tend to focus on things like keeping your chin tucked.


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  • #1417
    Mellor
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    Draw
    Sweet Science wrote: »
    So not only does he have to box for the 1st time ever he has to change his whole style in the space of 10 weeks. He will have to go from a low output counter puncher to a high output brawler

    If that was Lampley's point it would have been more logical. But it wasn't.
    The point that I flagged was deeply flawed however.
    Sweet Science wrote: »
    There was also footage of his sparring which is never ever leaked . it just so happens that he looks mediocre in it
    You think Floyd was purposefully trying to look bad?


  • #1418
    Mellor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,377 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Draw
    Danny2580 wrote: »
    Just thought I'd point out something I think is interesting from a purely objective point of view (and might bore everyone to tears!). I'm a boxing fan myself, and a casual McGregor fan. Certainly wouldn't call myself an expert on boxing or MMA. Sports betting is my area, though, and I think the prices here are worth a mention.

    Betfair's market is widely regarded as the most efficient predictor of outcomes, and it currently shows McGregor as an 11/2 shot to go and win. That suggests that if this fight was staged 13 times, the market would expect Mayweather to win 11 times, and McGregor twice. Or more simply, that McGregor has a one in six-and-a-half chance of winning.

    To put it into a bit more context, Chelsea play Everton at Stamford Bridge at the end of August. How surprised would you be if Everton won? Sure, it would be unexpected, but hardly earth-shattering. It might be surprising, then, that the odds of an Everton win in that game are identical to the odds of a McGregor win in this fight.

    The view of many I've spoken to would contradict this - the suggestion being that it's a bit of a farce, and Floyd should cruise to a handy victory barring an act of god or injury during the fight. If this was the case, Mayweather would probably be priced up at around 1/20 - suggesting he would win 20 out of 21 fights against McGregor.

    Bookmakers of course have to be careful, and they can't be too generous with McGregor's price with tonnes of patriotic money around. But that Betfair market is nothing if not efficient, and I have to say that despite having no strong opinion on the outcome of the fight, I was surprised to see Mayweather priced as big as he is. If you put your money down and he wins, there's an 18% return on investment made for an apparent farce / certainty.

    To sum up in one sentence: the market is factoring something in, in McGregor's favour, that those who think Mayweather is an out-and-out certainty are not.

    If people think the Mayweather line should be 1/20 or shorter. They aren't going to shy away from 1/5 when its available.
    The section of the market that are backing Floyd and laying Conor are rubbing their hands together.

    You only need a portion of the market to be bonkers to get bonkers prices


  • #1419
    Sweet Science
    Closed Accounts Posts: 890 ✭✭✭Sweet Science


    Conor on points
    GerryDerpy wrote: »
    That's a really helpful post bud, much appreciated!

    Mind if I ask some follow up questions though?

    So on the slow punching thing...that still doesn't fit in with what I know about McGregor in MMA. As a physicist by trade, I know that punch power is a function of speed and mass. If he is known as a KO artist, then surely he punches 'fast'?

    I have learned about the jab. When you say his is bad, is it because he doesn't retract it back to his chin (look at me learning)?

    I will say this re Floyd's skill - as a casual fan I am mesmerised watching his old fights. I started focusing purely on his opponents fists. They throw it from nowhere really fast, right towards Floyds head. And he some how is doing Neo from the matrix dodging.


    I'd say he is more of a tko artist in mma rather than a ko artist . Forget the Aldo ko that was kamikaze stuff from Aldo begging to be KO'd . Good punch though .

    Then there is the fact he will have gloves on that are over twice as heavy which will affect his speed and the power he carries . It will require some different teachnique throwing aswel

    You're right about tucking the chin in and getting the jab back to it. A boxers jab should hit me or you before we see it as they have mastered it from a young age. A stat I came across online said 90% of the punches Ali threw were jabs . Don't know how true it is


  • #1420
    Sweet Science
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    Conor on points
    Mellor wrote: »
    If that was Lampley's point it would have been more logical. But it wasn't.
    The point that I flagged was deeply flawed however.


    You think Floyd was purposefully trying to look bad?


    There has been a huge shift in the way he is acting in this fight than the 49 that have came before . Never has he talked about getting hurt breaking his nose etc . never has he released sparring footage in which he was poor in .


  • #1421
    Mellor
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    Draw
    Sweet Science wrote: »
    never has he released sparring footage in which he was poor in .

    I'm aware. But I also wouldn't have suspected that he'd pretend to be bad on purpose, comes across as having too much of an ego.
    But it's either that or that he's spent too much time in the strip clubs of vegas and hasn't been as tee total as he once was.


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  • #1422
    wonderfullife
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    Conor via KO-TKO
    Sweet Science wrote: »
    never has he released sparring footage in which he was poor in .
    Mellor wrote: »
    I'm aware. But I also wouldn't have suspected that he'd pretend to be bad on purpose, comes across as having too much of an ego.
    But it's either that or that he's spent too much time in the strip clubs of vegas and hasn't been as tee total as he once was.

    Just to clarify on this point - Floyd didn't release that sparring footage last week and the cameraman who filmed it (from one of those TMZ type outlets) has been banned from his camp (apparently).


  • #1423
    Burial.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,131 ✭✭✭Burial.


    Floyd via DQ
    Floyd used to be very strict about sparring footage. Dates back to the time where he was out of shape and was getting dominated by Paul Spadafora. It's a little odd he's allowing it now alright.


  • #1424
    Sweet Science
    Closed Accounts Posts: 890 ✭✭✭Sweet Science


    Conor on points
    Mellor wrote: »
    I'm aware. But I also wouldn't have suspected that he'd pretend to be bad on purpose, comes across as having too much of an ego.
    But it's either that or that he's spent too much time in the strip clubs of vegas and hasn't been as tee total as he once was.

    He cares mostly about money . everything he is doing and saying is about making the fight sound competitive unlike his previous 49 fights . them guys had no chance


  • #1425
    walshb
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    Floyd via KO-TKO
    Everything Floyd is saying about himself is true. 'Old,' past it, not the fighter he was x years ago and so on...

    Conveniently however, neglecting to mention that he is dancing with a complete no hoper non pro boxer on Aug 26...


  • #1426
    Sweet Science
    Closed Accounts Posts: 890 ✭✭✭Sweet Science


    Conor on points
    walshb wrote: »
    Everything Floyd is saying about himself is true. 'Old,' past it, not the fighter he was x years ago and so on...

    Conveniently however, neglecting to mention that he is dancing with a complete no hoper non pro boxer on Aug 26...

    Yes what he is saying is true . ya think he'd be saying that fighting Manny again though ? No chance


  • #1427
    ThinkProgress
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    Floyd via DQ
    Burial. wrote: »
    Nate Diaz has 4 KO's in his 21 wins. He's hardly a powerful puncher. It would only make sense that Floyd hits harder. If a guy like Nate stunned Conor then he's f*cked against a guy who actually has proper punch technique.

    Doesn't really matter if Floyd hits harder... he hits hard enough, and with enough technique and accuracy.

    It's Floyd's superior boxing-specific conditioning that will count, as to whether or not he KOs Conor...

    Nate and his brother go way overboard on the endurance work. So much so that both of them are seriously lacking in speed and power. Floyd is a different animal - he has very well rounded boxing conditioning!
    Gamebred wrote: »
    Usually boxes people up then sub's them when they shoot.

    Or just loses by decision... which has been the case, in more than 30% of his total fights since entering the UFC.
    Sweet Science wrote: »
    Thought he was poor boxing wise v conor . he was more a brawler in the 2nd fight . that 1-2 he caught conor with in the 1st was because he was too tired to defend himself

    He slaps guys, because he lacks the speed and explosiveness to throw real punches...

    Not sure why Andre Ward talks him up as a good boxer. Perhaps they are buddies or something... I personally don't see what's so great about his boxing.
    Lukker- wrote: »
    His fundamentals are solid IMO. He's pretty good at slipping and rolling punches. His timing is pretty good and he's got a good 1-2 and a solid jab. He would be a decent boxer, he has an excellent gas tank and an iron chin. Andre Ward would hardly be bringing in bums for his training camps.

    His understanding of boxing fundamentals is reasonably good. But his execution of those skills, is not so good.

    I don't think he'd do anything in boxing. Being hard to knock out is not really enough... unless you are happy to be a human punching bag! (which is exactly what Nate would be in pro boxing) :p
    Gamebred wrote: »
    Both volume strikes never gonna look neat, its works though the way they put a pace on their cardio wins out usually.

    Except it really doesn't... because he has lost a lot of fights in the UFC.

    He's 32 years old... he made his UFC debut 10 years ago, and he has only ever had one title fight - which he lost - 5 years ago!!

    So, clearly him and his brother need to go back to the drawing board, and re-assess their training ideas. Running triathlons is not a smart way to train for cage fighting, where you need a mixture of different physical attributes over relatively short intense 5 min rounds...
    Donald Trump wrote: »
    The thing about punching/knockout is not only speed/power. It's also timing, accuracy and balance....and it also depends on how open the other person leaves themselves. If your chin is up in the air, you're gonna get knocked out. A relatively light punch that catches you with your chin up and snaps your head back will knock you out quicker than taking a full force straight right to the forehead.......I don't think the MMA guys tend to focus on things like keeping your chin tucked.

    ^^ Agree with all of this...

    It's also heavily dependent on your level of fatigue too. A tired fighter, is a relatively easy fighter to KO, especially for a guy as skilled as Floyd.

    This is why I see Floyd being in no hurry in this fight... he will know, even at 40, that his conditioning is FAR superior to Conor's for boxing. He will be confident of KO'ing him later in the fight, as Conor's gas tank empties!
    Sweet Science wrote: »
    There has been a huge shift in the way he is acting in this fight than the 49 that have came before . Never has he talked about getting hurt breaking his nose etc . never has he released sparring footage in which he was poor in .

    Hyping the fight... maybe the greedy fecker is worried not enough people will buy the PPV?? :pac:


  • #1428
    [Deleted User]
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    Floyd via DQ
    Could Mayweather beat Conor if Mayweather was only allowed punch with one hand?


  • #1429
    walshb
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    Floyd via KO-TKO
    Deleted User wrote: »
    Could Mayweather beat Conor if Mayweather was only allowed punch with one hand?

    Yes!


  • #1430
    [Deleted User]
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    Floyd via DQ
    walshb wrote: »
    Yes!

    So do I :pac: and I am not even trolling


  • #1431
    Outlaw Pete
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    Floyd via DQ
    walshb wrote: »
    Yes!

    Shows how jaundiced your views are that you actually believe such absurdity.


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  • #1432
    [Deleted User]
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    Floyd via DQ
    Outlaw Pete wrote: »
    Shows how jaundiced your views are that you actually believe such absurdity.

    Or are you just buying into the hype?

    Conor is not a boxer, he does do some boxing when doing MMA training but I mean he is legit about to face one of the best of all time.

    I am an MMA fan before I am a boxing fan but there is no evidence at all showing that Conor should even be in this fight. In my opinion the commission should be in trouble for sanctioning this fight.


  • #1433
    Gamebred
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    Floyd via KO-TKO
    I'd back Floyd to beat him with one arm too, same way I'd back Conor in an mma fight with only using one arm both cases are mismatches of biblical proportions.


  • #1434
    [Deleted User]
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    Floyd via DQ
    Gamebred wrote: »
    I'd back Floyd to beat him with one arm too, same way I'd back Conor in an mma fight with only using one arm both cases are mismatches of biblical proportions.

    I dont understand how some people will say that we are talking sh!te though! Conor has not proved himself in a boxing ring at all and Floyd has made some world class boxers look silly............ those world class boxers that Floyd made look silly, would make Conor look silly (and that is being nice)........ What will Floyd do to Conor then :eek:


  • #1435
    Outlaw Pete
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    Floyd via DQ
    Deleted User wrote: »
    Or are you just buying into the hype?

    Conor is not a boxer, he does do some boxing when doing MMA training but I mean he is legit about to face one of the best of all time.

    I am an MMA fan before I am a boxing fan but there is no evidence at all showing that Conor should even be in this fight. In my opinion the commission should be in trouble for sanctioning this fight.

    What the hell are you on about?

    So because I think it's absurd to believe Floyd could win the fight with one arm tied behind his back..... that means I'm "buying into the hype" :P


  • #1436
    ROCKMAN
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,246 ✭✭✭ROCKMAN


    Mayweather RD 1 with PP online 25/1 AND in case he decides to play a round Mayweather RD 3 at 16/1 Are the two little wagers I am having.

    Think Connor has a decent jaw but what way can he take or deal with body shots?
    Can see Mayweather opening up and stopping Connor with a compo of body and head shots. Just can't see Connor been able to deal with the speed and movement of the best pound for pound boxer I have seen in the last 30 years Even at his present age he will just have too much for Connor.
    Yes Connor has a punchers chance but better equipped fighters have failed to land that one shot finish over the years.


  • #1437
    Joeseph Balls
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    Floyd via DQ
    FFM isn't knocking him out in rd1 that's for sure. Imo he gets a TKO in mid rounds.


  • #1438
    walshb
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    Floyd via KO-TKO
    Joeseph Balls wrote: »
    FFM isn't knocking him out in rd1 that's for sure. Imo he gets a TKO in mid rounds.

    No chance he lands a clean and accurate shot with enough pop in 3 minutes?


  • #1439
    Mr_Muffin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 917 ✭✭✭Mr_Muffin


    In relation to boxing/MMA, I often hear about cardio endurance which is obviously important.

    Will both fighters be at their maximum cardio capacity at the start of the fight? I mean, is there a limit to how 'good' you can get at cardio?


  • #1440
    Joeseph Balls
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    Floyd via DQ
    walshb wrote: »
    No chance he lands a clean and accurate shot in 3 minutes?

    Well walsh, a clean and accurate shot, or one to put him on queer street? Obviously there's a chance, but I think Floyd feels out conor in the first round or two, and it's plain sailing from there.


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  • #1441
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,444 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Floyd via KO-TKO
    Joeseph Balls wrote: »
    Well walsh, a clean and accurate shot, or one to put him on queer street? Obviously there's a chance, but I think Floyd feels out conor in the first round or two, and it's plain sailing from there.

    I agree. I reckon Floyd chills for a few rds and then gets to work..

    But if he was a man on a mission I reckon he could get the KO-TKO in rd 1.


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