Sweet Science wrote: » Thought he was poor boxing wise v conor . he was more a brawler in the 2nd fight . that 1-2 he caught conor with in the 1st was because he was too tired to defend himself
Sweet Science wrote: » From a basic point of view his punches look slow . He also doesn't seem to have many punches in his locker based on his mma career to date . He has mastered a couple and all his work seems to centered around landing them From the footage the main 2 things that stood out was how bad his feet were . They seem to cross over aswel which is a big no no . If they cross while throwing even a check hook could put him down In MMA his opponents are quite poor boxing wise which means he can rely on his agility to slip their punches but that won't work boxing a pro boxer . His will rely on unorthodox movement as per JK to avoid and land punches . this will leave him square on and actually easier to hit Lastly the jab man . Can't emphasise how important it is offensively and defensively . it doesn't look great from what I've seen . This will be his main issue IMO . He will have nothing to set up a left with and he will have nothing to keep Floyd from landing
Seanpen wrote: » Anybody no of any hotels in Dublin that will show the fight ?
GerryDerpy wrote: » My knowledge of boxing is tiny. Since the fight was announced I have tried to get a grasp by reading the posts of the more knowledgable like yourself. And I still don't feel my understanding is growing regarding pro boxer superiority vs McGregor. I accept it is nobody's job to teach me :-) Would be good to get concrete explanations of why McGregors footage makes him so blatently bad at boxing. Maybe I am naive to think it can be so concisely explained but I will persevere and keep reading. Ps: I have just thought of an analogy that may help. If you were to ask me what makes a pro soccer player so much better than a good amateur then I wouldn't be able to explain it despite being a soccer anorak. I would say they are just better at every level. Is it the same??
Sweet Science wrote: » So not only does he have to box for the 1st time ever he has to change his whole style in the space of 10 weeks. He will have to go from a low output counter puncher to a high output brawler
Sweet Science wrote: » There was also footage of his sparring which is never ever leaked . it just so happens that he looks mediocre in it
Danny2580 wrote: » Just thought I'd point out something I think is interesting from a purely objective point of view (and might bore everyone to tears!). I'm a boxing fan myself, and a casual McGregor fan. Certainly wouldn't call myself an expert on boxing or MMA. Sports betting is my area, though, and I think the prices here are worth a mention. Betfair's market is widely regarded as the most efficient predictor of outcomes, and it currently shows McGregor as an 11/2 shot to go and win. That suggests that if this fight was staged 13 times, the market would expect Mayweather to win 11 times, and McGregor twice. Or more simply, that McGregor has a one in six-and-a-half chance of winning. To put it into a bit more context, Chelsea play Everton at Stamford Bridge at the end of August. How surprised would you be if Everton won? Sure, it would be unexpected, but hardly earth-shattering. It might be surprising, then, that the odds of an Everton win in that game are identical to the odds of a McGregor win in this fight. The view of many I've spoken to would contradict this - the suggestion being that it's a bit of a farce, and Floyd should cruise to a handy victory barring an act of god or injury during the fight. If this was the case, Mayweather would probably be priced up at around 1/20 - suggesting he would win 20 out of 21 fights against McGregor. Bookmakers of course have to be careful, and they can't be too generous with McGregor's price with tonnes of patriotic money around. But that Betfair market is nothing if not efficient, and I have to say that despite having no strong opinion on the outcome of the fight, I was surprised to see Mayweather priced as big as he is. If you put your money down and he wins, there's an 18% return on investment made for an apparent farce / certainty. To sum up in one sentence: the market is factoring something in, in McGregor's favour, that those who think Mayweather is an out-and-out certainty are not.
GerryDerpy wrote: » That's a really helpful post bud, much appreciated! Mind if I ask some follow up questions though? So on the slow punching thing...that still doesn't fit in with what I know about McGregor in MMA. As a physicist by trade, I know that punch power is a function of speed and mass. If he is known as a KO artist, then surely he punches 'fast'? I have learned about the jab. When you say his is bad, is it because he doesn't retract it back to his chin (look at me learning)? I will say this re Floyd's skill - as a casual fan I am mesmerised watching his old fights. I started focusing purely on his opponents fists. They throw it from nowhere really fast, right towards Floyds head. And he some how is doing Neo from the matrix dodging.
Mellor wrote: » If that was Lampley's point it would have been more logical. But it wasn't. The point that I flagged was deeply flawed however. You think Floyd was purposefully trying to look bad?
Sweet Science wrote: » never has he released sparring footage in which he was poor in .
Mellor wrote: » I'm aware. But I also wouldn't have suspected that he'd pretend to be bad on purpose, comes across as having too much of an ego. But it's either that or that he's spent too much time in the strip clubs of vegas and hasn't been as tee total as he once was.
walshb wrote: » Everything Floyd is saying about himself is true. 'Old,' past it, not the fighter he was x years ago and so on... Conveniently however, neglecting to mention that he is dancing with a complete no hoper non pro boxer on Aug 26...
Burial. wrote: » Nate Diaz has 4 KO's in his 21 wins. He's hardly a powerful puncher. It would only make sense that Floyd hits harder. If a guy like Nate stunned Conor then he's f*cked against a guy who actually has proper punch technique.
Gamebred wrote: » Usually boxes people up then sub's them when they shoot.
Lukker- wrote: » His fundamentals are solid IMO. He's pretty good at slipping and rolling punches. His timing is pretty good and he's got a good 1-2 and a solid jab. He would be a decent boxer, he has an excellent gas tank and an iron chin. Andre Ward would hardly be bringing in bums for his training camps.
Gamebred wrote: » Both volume strikes never gonna look neat, its works though the way they put a pace on their cardio wins out usually.
Donald Trump wrote: » The thing about punching/knockout is not only speed/power. It's also timing, accuracy and balance....and it also depends on how open the other person leaves themselves. If your chin is up in the air, you're gonna get knocked out. A relatively light punch that catches you with your chin up and snaps your head back will knock you out quicker than taking a full force straight right to the forehead.......I don't think the MMA guys tend to focus on things like keeping your chin tucked.
Sweet Science wrote: » There has been a huge shift in the way he is acting in this fight than the 49 that have came before . Never has he talked about getting hurt breaking his nose etc . never has he released sparring footage in which he was poor in .
Deleted User wrote: » Could Mayweather beat Conor if Mayweather was only allowed punch with one hand?
walshb wrote: » Yes!
Outlaw Pete wrote: » Shows how jaundiced your views are that you actually believe such absurdity.
Gamebred wrote: » I'd back Floyd to beat him with one arm too, same way I'd back Conor in an mma fight with only using one arm both cases are mismatches of biblical proportions.
Deleted User wrote: » Or are you just buying into the hype? Conor is not a boxer, he does do some boxing when doing MMA training but I mean he is legit about to face one of the best of all time. I am an MMA fan before I am a boxing fan but there is no evidence at all showing that Conor should even be in this fight. In my opinion the commission should be in trouble for sanctioning this fight.
Joeseph Balls wrote: » FFM isn't knocking him out in rd1 that's for sure. Imo he gets a TKO in mid rounds.
walshb wrote: » No chance he lands a clean and accurate shot in 3 minutes?
Joeseph Balls wrote: » Well walsh, a clean and accurate shot, or one to put him on queer street? Obviously there's a chance, but I think Floyd feels out conor in the first round or two, and it's plain sailing from there.
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