Kilkenny GAA Thread Part 2 MOD NOTE POST 1*

brookville · 01-07-2017 01:54PM

usualstripes wrote: »

Here's wishing the lads the very best of luck this evening. Hopefully we will see a full on vomited performance. If that happens we will be on again and it will give us a shot in the arm for next week. Hopefully mick is ok. I hear he is powering in training. With ger and padraig after getting a few more weeks it certainly helps. Don't be surprised to see joyce, kevin kelly or john joe coming in.
Big day for bolger. It's his chance now.
Some positional switches in the backs likely after 10 mins.
Also hogan may drift out into space.

You'd imagine hogan will be further out the field and bolger corner foward.Joe lyng and joey could possibly switch.Bolger,colin and ger have scores in them hopefully they deliver.
We also have experience on the bench and a full squad minus conor o'shea who's injured hopefully everyone's fit

briancoolcat · 01-07-2017 04:16PM

Best of luck to the lads today. I hope they are all fit and if so I would have great confidence in them to beat Limerick. I just hope we start playing a bit smarter now too with good diagonal balls in to forwards running in to space, and not those hit and hope shots with snow on them hoping that our forwards can outmuscle their men. That wont work anymore in the modern game and seeing those kind of clearances from our backs against wexford with their extra man back and packed defence was disappointing. Hope Brian and the selectors have been trying out a few tactics of their own in training.

Nickindublin · 01-07-2017 07:40PM

Have to say looking at it in a pub on Sky. Very poor affair.

Butterbeans · 01-07-2017 07:46PM

Lot of work to do in 2nd half. Walter has really dug in the last 15/20mins. Need better ball into the forwards. Luckily some shocking shooting from Limerick. All to do. C'mon the Cats!

Nickindublin · 01-07-2017 08:13PM

Have too say shocking wides from both sides

Nickindublin · 01-07-2017 08:23PM

Walters points being a big thing. Joey good game

JaffaP · 01-07-2017 08:23PM

Awful match. If Limerick had a few decent forwards we'd be in serious bother.

Our forward line carries zero threat. Waterford or Tipp would have had beaten us by double digits tonight.

Nickindublin · 01-07-2017 08:32PM

JaffaP wrote: »

Awful match. If Limerick had a few decent forwards we'd be in serious bother.

Our forward line carries zero threat. Waterford or Tipp would have had beaten us by double digits tonight.

We hit many a bad wide too.

kk1970 · 01-07-2017 08:42PM

Not a good game but nice to get over the line. Micheal fennelly had a huge game . We are struggling overall though , I expect Kevin kelly and lester Ryan to start the next day

kk.man · 01-07-2017 08:46PM

It may not be have been a great match to watch. However Cody seems to be going with a two man full forward line. We won't rack up the same scores with that tactic nether will the opposition! We also did the same in Wexford Park. I'm not dismissing it maybe a good idea given where we are.

danganabu · 01-07-2017 08:49PM

kk.man wrote: »

It may not be have been a great match to watch. However Cody seems to be going with a two man full forward line. We won't rack up the same scores with that tactic nether will the opposition! We also did the same in Wexford Park. I'm not dismissing it maybe a good idea given where we are.

If a team nullify TJ Reid in the air then Kilkenny are in all sorts of trouble, he is the only out in the forward line.

paulie gaultieri · 01-07-2017 08:59PM

I hope to god mick spends the next week in an ice bath as we need a similar, if not bigger, performance out of him next Saturday to have any chance whoever we draw.

PaulKK · 01-07-2017 09:06PM

Shocked at how long Richie was left on for. He had a nightmare, obviously not over his injuries.

Colin got no ball whatsoever either. Thought the move out to half was too late, i like to see him out a bit further so he can make his trademark runs.

blackcard · 01-07-2017 09:58PM

On the positive side, it was great to see a return to form of Paul Murphy. Padraig Walsh and Cillian Buckley played well also. Joey Holden still seems to lack confidence. Hope Michael Fennelly makes it next week, this was only his second since last August. Hopefully Richie Hogan is more accurate the next day. We won despite missing three good goal chances and hit a number of bad widespread, as did Limerick. I was disappointed that we played three in midfield leaving Limerick with a free man at the back. Hard to see us going much further based on all our performances this year.

JJs Left Hand · 01-07-2017 10:03PM

Our game plan seems to be to isolate Colin inside but the problem with that is that Colins off the ball movement is really quite poor (as is nearly all our forwards with Kelly being the exception when he came on) and if that is our game plan then what in the name of Jaysus are they doing in training because the backs can't deliver a ball for ****. It's desperate to watch.

Also why is Wally playing so deep? He knocked over some great scores but he was back on our half back line a lot.

And it pains me watching Padraig at full back when he should be dominating the half back line.

dastardly00 · 01-07-2017 10:08PM

I left the Park feeling as if we lost. Desperate performances from some on the team.

blackcard · 01-07-2017 10:10PM

dastardly00 wrote: »

I left the Park feeling as if we lost. Desperate performances from some on the team.

Much the same, I never enjoyed a win less.

dastardly00 · 01-07-2017 10:13PM

PaulKK wrote: »

Colin got no ball whatsoever either. Thought the move out to half was too late, i like to see him out a bit further so he can make his trademark runs.

Colin got loads of ball in, he just couldn't win anything at all in my opinion. He got long ball deliverd in and some more precise passes from his brother. He wasn't able to win anything.

I too would prefer to see him further out the field considering he is probably our fastest player. Great running at players and a nightmare for defenders who have possession.

I counted ONCE in the whole match when he actually had the ball in his hand. Someone please tell me that I am completely wrong.

EDIT: I've watched the game on TV after coming home from the match, and Colin did get some atrocious ball played into him. But he didn't possession once when full forward even for a decent ball played in.

Mulbert · 01-07-2017 10:31PM

I thought that was a like a typical Kilkenny win from years ago. Was like the clock turned back.

The opposition were equal in many ways but pure determined and absolute doggedness by the defence shone.

Willie'OConnoresque.

davidx40 · 01-07-2017 11:03PM

Poor quality game ....limerick could have been 3/4points up at half time if theyd got half there wides ...still some improved performances Paul Murphy back to his self , Padraig played well and Mich Fennelly huge bonus ....Ger Aylward desperate showing ...and you have to worry is Ritchie Hogan just pushing his body to much ...he said in paper yesterday he has 3 bulging discs ...thats some serious injury to be carrying onto hurling field....hope to avoid waterford in draw i still think they have loads to show yet ....tipp on tonights showing are not good ...

dubcat51 · 01-07-2017 11:09PM

Poor performance but we won.forwards cant be as bad again.joe lyng struggled badly with their 13 and would fear for him against fast forwards.bolger again missed his chance to make a name for himself.bucley padraig and paul murphy outstanding tonite.were still there and if we can get on roll you never know.anyone know why richie leahy wasnt on the bench.?

Cornerback1 · 01-07-2017 11:49PM

A win's a win. That's what we wanted but loads to work on and only a week to do it.

I thought the idea of playing Colin on Richie was a good idea but the ball into him was brutal: high and hanging - a defender's dream. You could see by him how frustrated he was at the ball going in. He needs ball in in front of him so he can turn and out pace the full back.

Buck Melanoma · 02-07-2017 01:26AM

Would echo the comments here regarding the ball delivered to the forwards, really poor quality, reminds of the Gaelic footballer(could be Marty Clarke from Down ?) talking about his time in Aussie rules, they looked at Gaelic football and couldn't understand how a player in possession (100%) would kick a ball to two players and turn it into a 50/50,:at the moment we are doing this but often it isn't 50/50, it is 25/75 or so against. Forwards out numbered and compounded by the quality of ball.

At the moment Kilkenny look like a former prizefighter, now punch-drunk, getting dragged into wars against opponents they would previously have dismissed comfortably.

Faugheen · 02-07-2017 02:30AM

dubcat51 wrote: »

Poor performance but we won.forwards cant be as bad again.joe lyng struggled badly with their 13 and would fear for him against fast forwards.bolger again missed his chance to make a name for himself.bucley padraig and paul murphy outstanding tonite.were still there and if we can get on roll you never know.anyone know why richie leahy wasnt on the bench.?

I personally thought Joe Lyng was excellent in the second half today. Had one bad mistake which went unpunished but he made two crucial catches within minutes of each other around the hour mark. Think it's very harsh to single him out for criticism.

How poor was Shane Dowling from a dead ball, though? Limerick will go home tonight thinking we were there for the taking and they wouldn't be wrong in that assessment.

TJ outstanding in th first half, P. Walsh brilliant in the second as was P. Murphy, but Buckley was my man of the match. Such a good hurler.

That didn't look like an All-Ireland winning side though, and there was a few glimpses of the Wexford game that showed in the back-line in the first quarter in particular. If we start that slow against Tipp or Waterford we're in big, big trouble.

Topcat32 · 02-07-2017 02:36AM

Lester Ryan showed once again what a great attitude he has this evening when he came on, may not be the best hurler ever but he is a credit to his club and his county with the spirt he shows when he is called upon.

PaulKK · 02-07-2017 02:53AM

dastardly00 wrote: »

Colin got loads of ball in, he just couldn't win anything at all in my opinion. He got long ball deliverd in and some more precise passes from his brother. He wasn't able to win anything.

I too would prefer to see him further out the field considering he is probably our fastest player. Great running at players and a nightmare for defenders who have possession.

I counted ONCE in the whole match when he actually had the ball in his hand. Someone please tell me that I am completely wrong.

Yea, I should have clarified, this is what I ment, didn't win any ball. Loads of opportunities dropped in on the full forward line but not converted.

JJs Left Hand · 02-07-2017 10:25AM

But the ball going in is terrible lads. Terrible. Every ball is a backs ball. There's never a ball dropped 10 yards in front of the full forward line to bounce up into a lads hand. It's always in the sky, hanging for a back to flake it. Everyone keeps saying Bucks was excellent and he was as a back but his delivery is atrocious. We still think we have Henry, Gorta, Larks and Eddie up front who could win any ball but we don't. We have to give them better ball to let them do damage. And as I said last night the forwards aren't blameless because the don't move early enough. One of Mick Fennellys clearances out of a crowded area yesterday went straight down the middle to Richie McCarthy in about 40 yards of space but Blanchfield and Bolger were standing completely still as a 2 man forward line. No anticipation that a ball might come in.

I echo Topcat on Lester by the way. Lots of people reckon he isn't good enough but by Jesus he gives everything every game and and always knocks over a couple of points. Considering he gets dropped every time Kilkenny reshuffle the pack, unfairly in my opinion, he deserves huge credit.

kilkennyboy · 02-07-2017 11:05AM

Colin cant be left of the hook by blaming the quality of ball.he is over 6ft big strong fella well able to win high ball just look at the trouble he caused in wexford .but his touch is that of a junior hurler his pace saves him on many occasions where he miss controls balls and gets a second go at it .

usualstripes · 02-07-2017 11:09AM

JJs Left Hand wrote: »

But the ball going in is terrible lads. Terrible. Every ball is a backs ball. There's never a ball dropped 10 yards in front of the full forward line to bounce up into a lads hand. It's always in the sky, hanging for a back to flake it. Everyone keeps saying Bucks was excellent and he was as a back but his delivery is atrocious. We still think we have Henry, Gorta, Larks and Eddie up front who could win any ball but we don't. We have to give them better ball to let them do damage. And as I said last night the forwards aren't blameless because the don't move early enough. One of Mick Fennellys clearances out of a crowded area yesterday went straight down the middle to Richie McCarthy in about 40 yards of space but Blanchfield and Bolger were standing completely still as a 2 man forward line. No anticipation that a ball might come in.

I echo Topcat on Lester by the way. Lots of people reckon he isn't good enough but by Jesus he gives everything every game and and always knocks over a couple of points. Considering he gets dropped every time Kilkenny reshuffle the pack, unfairly in my opinion, he deserves huge credit.

Have to agree 100% with this post. I know we scored 20 points and had a gilt edged chance with bolger but if we don't start pinging better ball into the full forward line we are at nothing. None of the backs or midfielders are blameless here. Why was colin fennelly such a threat v wexford? Why can we not land a ball 10 yards in front of him so that he can win it, turn his man and either go himself or feed to an incoming forward. It beggars belief. We need to do this next weekend. Our backs were solid and m fennelly added steel to them.
If you had a bad heart, looking at joey is not going to help you.
Lyng had a good second half after a poor first half.
Low delivery to the forwards is key.
Fair play to lester and kevin kelly. They were very good and contributed crucial scores.
After a slow start walter hurled very well. Deegan was also impressive.
Lester, kelly and hopefully leahy will all play a part next weekend.
Bolger and aylward were largely ineffective albeit with poor enough service.

Comerman · 02-07-2017 11:11AM

JJs Left Hand wrote: »

the forwards aren't blameless because the don't move early enough.

Noticed that a lot for the puck outs yesterday, no movement from the forwards at all and Murphy trying for points from our own half back line wasted chances to do something better in my opinion.

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