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Lions 2017 [MOD WARNING IN OP]

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,728 ✭✭✭Former Former


    Team is grand. Won't make any odds. Daly is the luckiest survivor. Hard on Kruis and POM to drop out completely but there had to be changes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,308 ✭✭✭✭.ak


    I actually like that team. It's pretty much what I had picked before the first test, with the exception of o halfpenny or north. It's a pity north is gone, he actually found form on Tuesday and was back to his usual rampaging self, looked much sharper also. Pity, he's had a poor tour.

    My only problem with that team is the back 3. Just isn't inspiring any confidence!

    Looking forward to seeing Sexton/Farrell combo start...

    A lot of unforced changes tho, I never like to see that when the consensus was they were close to making things work last week. Shows a bit of indecisiveness.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,634 ✭✭✭✭errlloyd


    I like that team. It's certainly not Warren ball.


  • Posts: 13,104 ✭✭✭✭ Maisie Wailing Beagle


    Pretty decent time. I'd have started Nowell and AWJ is living a bit of a charmed life but meh.

    Think the result will be similar enough anyway. I really hope Sexton shows up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,667 ✭✭✭OldRio


    AWJ and Warbs picked on form?
    Yeah right.

    Henderson and Best very unlucky but when the coach has flogged you to death midweek because of his ego what do you expect?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,131 ✭✭✭✭phog


    Delighted to see CJ get the opportunity to make a full test game, he's deserved with his performances in the mid week games. Disappointed for POM but he had the honour of captaining the side, an honour few expected at the beginning of the tour. You'd have to wonder what Henderson has to do to get onto the test team, I guess the YC weighed against him.

    Looking forward to seeing how Sexton & Farrell pull the strings, I think we're looking at playing rugby against the ABs which should make for an entertaining game.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,728 ✭✭✭Former Former


    errlloyd wrote: »
    I like that team. It's certainly not Warren ball.

    It's not. Gatland hasn't covered himself in glory on this tour but the usual criticisms of Warrenball, Welsh bias or picking his favourites really don't apply.


  • Posts: 20,606 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It's not. Gatland hasn't covered himself in glory on this tour but the usual criticisms of Warrenball, Welsh bias or picking his favourites really don't apply.

    He's reverting to type though.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,728 ✭✭✭Former Former


    He's reverting to type though.

    I don't know if that's tongue in cheek? It's early.


  • Posts: 20,606 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I don't know if that's tongue in cheek? It's early.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,992 ✭✭✭bmwguy


    Apart from bringing in the few players that shouldn't have been near the squad and then not using them (and blaming outside criticism for not using them) I think Gatlands selection has been pretty good. No bias, no favourites just picking who he thinks will do the job. He dropped his tour captain for 1st test which is unheard of. Only position I have definite mixed feelings about is AWJ in 2nd row again but it's only 1 in 23.

    Just wish he wasn't such a dull, droll, unlikeable, moany person every time he opens his mouth in front of a camera.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,965 ✭✭✭yosser hughes


    I'd have had Tipuric ahead of Stander,New Zealand won't be bothered by him at all. Shouldn't have made the tour.
    Henderson unlucky not to make bench.
    Teo was unlucky to be dropped but I guess Gatland feels he has to try something different.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,308 ✭✭✭✭.ak


    Really is a pity North and Hogg left the tour early. Both needed to find form and I reckon they would have, that team with a back three of Hogg, Williams and North all on form would've been tasty.


  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 43,584 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    If stander is benching he shouldn't have played 80 on Tuesday

    If the midfield axis is sexton / farrell, they should have been training together like that from the start and not only from a week ago.

    What can AWJ do for weekend that he didn't do last weekend, specifically when gatland singled out the breakdown as an area they were second best in.

    I think the guy is fire fighting now and making knee jerk decisions not hard on any real hard plan.

    I expect a bigger all black victory this weekend.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,728 ✭✭✭Former Former


    sydthebeat wrote: »
    If stander is benching he shouldn't have played 80 on Tuesday

    Stander had a quiet first half and a very good second half. If he hadn't played 80 minutes, he wouldn't be in the squad now.
    sydthebeat wrote: »
    If the midfield axis is sexton / farrell, they should have been training together like that from the start and not only from a week ago.

    Then you'd have people complaining that the team was picked from the start and there was no chance for guys to force their way in.
    sydthebeat wrote: »
    What can AWJ do for weekend that he didn't do last weekend, specifically when gatland singled out the breakdown as an area they were second best in.

    AWJ is one of the best lock forwards in the world. He's earned the right not to be awesome in every match. If the same thing happened with POC, as it often did, we wouldn't be complaining. AWJ is on that level.
    sydthebeat wrote: »
    I think the guy is fire fighting now and making knee jerk decisions not hard on any real hard plan.

    It's like Mike Tyson said, everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face. If he'd made no changes, he'd be getting slated for being too loyal, too stubborn, etc, etc.

    Gatland is on a hiding to nothing because people just don't like him.
    sydthebeat wrote: »
    I expect a bigger all black victory this weekend.

    We can agree on that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,258 ✭✭✭✭Buer


    OldRio wrote: »
    AWJ and Warbs picked on form?
    Yeah right.

    Henderson and Best very unlucky but when the coach has flogged you to death midweek because of his ego what do you expect?

    The breakdown is the massive problem area. AWJ had a good tour up to last week and is a one of the best options we have in terms of rucking in both attack and defence. He's lucky to survive after last week but there's a logic there. Similarly, Warburton is selected due to his ability to get involved at the breakdown, slowing opposition ball and speeding up Lions possession.

    The approach goes hand in hand with selecting Sexton and Farrell together. The ball will need to be protected and moved quickly.

    I'd have gone with Henderson at 20, personally. I think he's seriously unlucky not to feature. I don't believe he has been flogged nor do I think game time has come into it at all. Stander has played more than Henderson including 80 minutes on Tuesday but is on the bench. His style simply fits the impact option from the bench more plus he covers 8.

    Similarly, Jack Nowell has played more minmutes than Henderson. If they think it's the right call they went with it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    I'd have loved to have seen Henderson but Lawes has been very strong as well. Might be a little fresher as well because of that time he took out with the concussion. Lawes also maybe had the slight advantage because he started the tour in better form.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,258 ✭✭✭✭Buer


    sydthebeat wrote: »
    What can AWJ do for weekend that he didn't do last weekend, specifically when gatland singled out the breakdown as an area they were second best in.

    Show up?

    The bloke had a bad match last week but he's a total pain in the arse in terms of the physicality and work rate he brings including hitting rucks both in attack and defence. There's a lot more that can be done to influence the breakdown than trying to target the ball directly.

    I'd have started Lawes (who is well able to deliver in the disruptive stakes) and brought Henderson onto the bench but there's a rationale behind AWJ. His history with Gatland probably saved his bacon though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    sydthebeat wrote: »

    I expect a bigger all black victory this weekend.

    I was expecting that anyway no matter who the lions picked. Thought Tipuric would come onto the bench. Think he brings something which would suit the last 20, bit of unpredictability.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,258 ✭✭✭✭Buer


    Burkie1203 wrote: »
    I was expecting that anyway no matter who the lions picked. Thought Tipuric would come onto the bench. Think he brings something which would suit the last 20, bit of unpredictability.

    Tipuric could have a real impact when the game breaks up but he lacks some physicality although he has improved hugely in that regard.

    If he was a Kiwi, he'd be 5kg heavier and starting.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,639 ✭✭✭BoardsMember


    Agree re Tipuric, I can't see how Stander suits the last 20, he's not one to off load or link play like Tipuric, and he's looked knackered, very strange decision.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    Agree re Tipuric, I can't see how Stander suits the last 20, he's not one to off load or link play like Tipuric, and he's looked knackered, very strange decision.

    I wonder is it because he picked warburton and didnt want to be seen picking another welshman. He let outside hysteria influence his bench use last week so its possible


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,373 ✭✭✭leakyboots


    Interesting selection... AWJ is a lucky boy, would have preferred him to drop out and Kruis/Lawes start with Henderson on the bench. POM is very unlucky, played well the last day but he either starts or benches and once Warburton showed well the last day that was always going to happen.

    Delighted for CJ, I know I've been banging the drum on him a bit but he's had a fine tour and earned his shot. Daly is another lucky boy, can't have any errors on Saturday, would have been sure he'd be dropped. Not sure what the rationale behind dropping Teo is other than impact sub.

    The bench looks set for impact alright, I just hope the starters can hang on in there long enough


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,258 ✭✭✭✭Buer


    Agree re Tipuric, I can't see how Stander suits the last 20, he's not one to off load or link play like Tipuric, and he's looked knackered, very strange decision.

    If you get some soft tackles in the final 20, Stander could be a great option. He'll need to really bust a gut when he comes on but I've no doubt he can do that. He's a completely different option to what is on the field.

    It also suggests that Faletau perhaps needs to lift his ball carrying a bit. He had very little opportunity last week but still needs to seek out that aspect of the game.

    Stander has that extra physicality which could prove beneficial.

    I think it's all academic, though. The Lions will hopefully be better....NZ will definitely be better.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    No Pashun O'Mahony?! Anti-ligind Gatland strikes again. He must have been advised by fellow anti-ligind Buer! :mad:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    How will the ABs adapt to their inevitable loss in this test now that we've seen the teams? Don't really think they've many options really, a very limited country when it comes to rugby.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,258 ✭✭✭✭Buer


    No Pashun O'Mahony?! Anti-ligind Gatland strikes again. He must have been advised by fellow anti-ligind Buer! :mad:

    It's all coming together. I'll have to get Jerome on the blower and tell him to be a bit more subtle on standing legs this week.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,728 ✭✭✭Former Former


    How will the ABs adapt to their inevitable loss in this test now that we've seen the teams? Don't really think they've many options really, a very limited country when it comes to rugby.

    They've very cleverly brought in a project player so that they can blame him when they go down in flames this weekend.

    I heard they've brought Neil Francis on board as a media consultant and he advised them that foreigners provide the ideal scapegoat when things don't go well.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,590 ✭✭✭CurryFlavoured


    Thought AWJ and Daly were lucky to retain their spots. Farrell and Sexton together is risky, it could be a hit or it could be a disaster in the context of the team. Te'o is frustrating but he has had a good tour and you know what you get, hard running, offloads and solid tackling. We don't really know how Farrell will work at 12 in this team.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭KBurke85


    .ak wrote: »
    Really is a pity North and Hogg left the tour early. Both needed to find form and I reckon they would have, that team with a back three of Hogg, Williams and North all on form would've been tasty.

    Lets be honest though we had bigger problems last week than the back 3


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