Official Conor McGregor thread (part 3) *Updated Warning in 1st Post Re:Boxing match

wonderfullife · 21-06-2017 09:47PM

Gintonious wrote: »

The logic I am seeing is that you are saying that McGregor has an advantage over Mayweather cause he can just youtube some of his fights and use them to his advantage. But Mayweather has no such tapes of McGregor so will have to adjust etc to him.

Yes, exactly this. Conor has the advantage of being able to study Floyd's footwork patterns and combinations religiously, while Floyd has nothing to look at.

If Fleetwood Town draw Manchester United at home in the FA Cup, they have the advantage of playing in their small little stadium with a crappy pitch that they're used to playing on. Manchester United might still trounce them 8-0, even with that advantage.

Having an advantage might not translate to a whole lot if the opponents are far superior in every way but Conor has the advantage here big time in preparation and he will need every bit of it to come up with a gameplan to try win.

Frank Bullitt · 21-06-2017 09:51PM

wonderfullife wrote: »

Yes, exactly this. Conor has the advantage of being able to study Floyd's footwork patterns and combinations religiously, while Floyd has nothing to look at.

If Fleetwood Town draw Manchester United at home in the FA Cup, they have the advantage of playing in their small little stadium with a crappy pitch that they're used to playing on. Manchester United might still trounce them 8-0, even with that advantage.

Having an advantage might not translate to a whole lot if the opponents are far superior in every way but Conor has the advantage here big time in preparation and he will need every bit of it to come up with a gameplan to try win.

Ok, I don't think we will align on this so I think its best we leave it there.

froog · 21-06-2017 10:13PM

lot of talk about conor's advantages over mayweather, i disagree with almost all of them, primarily the "unpredictability" line. boxing has been around a long time, long enough that boxers and coaches have found out the best ways to connect your fist to an opponent's head and body and the best ways to avoid getting hit while doing so. the idea that there is some kind of unknown or unusual techniques that conor can use to get the best of mayweather is ridiculous. any unconventional punch or movement mcgregor might offer up is unconventional because it is not the best way to land a punch or to move around. if he trys some nonsense he will get punished. it's as simple as that. would mayweather be surprised? maybe for a fraction of a second just before floyd smacks him in the face. worth noting also that mayweather is one of best fighters around at adapting to opponents and adjusting accordingly.

conor does not hit harder than a lot of fighters floyd has faced. and floyd has faced a fair few fighters the same size as conor too.

the only advantage conor has over him is age - he's at his peak, floyd is well past his (even though he hides it amazingly well) and hasn't fought in two years. it is a fact that floyd will decline fairly quickly at some point and that point becomes more and more likely with every year.

Asus X540L · 21-06-2017 10:16PM

sasta le wrote: »

Whats the story with the video of Connor in a restaurant with watches on the table roaring at the staff thats going round on social media

link?

Ush1 · 21-06-2017 10:51PM

walshb wrote: »

The reverse isn't always the same.

You should know this. Weigh it up. MMA presents more areas that Floyd could get the win vs. Conor in MAA than boxing presents him with to beat a far bigger man in specific boxing.

If I had to bet I would bet that Floyd has more chance to beat Conor than he does to beat AJ.

Very slim, of course, but more chance.

The punchers chance scenario in both cases presents more chance of success with Floyd landing (and having success/impact) on Conor with 4 oz gloves than him landing on 250 lbs 6 feet 5 inch AJ with 10 oz gloves.

I can't believe I have to point this obvious sh1t out.

What are the more areas in MMA Floyd could get the win?

HattrickNZ · 21-06-2017 10:54PM

Gintonious wrote: »

wonderfullife wrote: »

Yes, exactly this. Conor has the advantage of being able to study Floyd's footwork patterns and combinations religiously, while Floyd has nothing to look at.

If Fleetwood Town draw Manchester United at home in the FA Cup, they have the advantage of playing in their small little stadium with a crappy pitch that they're used to playing on. Manchester United might still trounce them 8-0, even with that advantage.

Having an advantage might not translate to a whole lot if the opponents are far superior in every way but Conor has the advantage here big time in preparation and he will need every bit of it to come up with a gameplan to try win.

Ok, I don't think we will align on this so I think its best we leave it there.

Interesting topic. glass half-empty-glass half-full view comes to mind on this. There might be some term for this or I could be just over analysing. sorry.

glass half-full: glass half-empty
no experience/no footage: lots of experience/lots of footage

no experience - disadvantage
no footage - advantage (opponent has nothing to study)
:
lots of experience - advantage
lots of footage - disadvantage (opponent has lots to study)

Outlaw Pete · 21-06-2017 11:08PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7S3-DqAZKc

Frank Bullitt · 21-06-2017 11:21PM

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7S3-DqAZKc

There you go Wonder, Mayweather will be studying the balls off this one.

mdwexford · 21-06-2017 11:25PM

Caught up on all the fantastic analysis.

Funny part is this is the educated people discussing it. Imagine what the Facebook comments must be like. Fun times.

Only 67 more days of it to go.

wonderfullife · 21-06-2017 11:25PM

Gintonious wrote: »

There you go Wonder, Mayweather will be studying the balls off this one.

That's the whole point of them releasing it

Expect 2 months of this disinformation campaign.

They're extremely cunning over there at SBG. It's all methodical. For the Diaz 2 camp, they released almost zero footage of Conor using leg-kicks, which was of course a huge tactic in the fight.

Frank Bullitt · 21-06-2017 11:29PM

wonderfullife wrote: »

That's the whole point of them releasing it

Expect 2 months of this disinformation campaign.

They're extremely cunning over there at SBG. It's all methodical. For the Diaz 2 camp, they released almost zero footage of Conor using leg-kicks, which was of course a huge tactic in the fight.

Hahaha, thats hilarious

(I hope you are being sarcastic)

wonderfullife · 21-06-2017 11:31PM

Gintonious wrote: »

Hahaha, thats hilarious

(I hope you are being sarcastic)

No, for real go back through the social media or Mac Life footage they released throughout the Diaz 2 camp and show me any footage of Conor throwing leg-kicks? John said it himself on the MMA Hour they were selective in what they showed.

It's intentional for sure!

Outlaw Pete · 21-06-2017 11:34PM

Yeah, I remember that everyone was saying he was gonna try it on Diaz but in the end there were no spin kicks. Well, actually there was one.... but as soon as McGregor tried it JK roared at him to stick to the gameplan.

Frank Bullitt · 21-06-2017 11:35PM

wonderfullife wrote: »

No, for real go back through the social media or Mac Life footage they released throughout the Diaz 2 camp and show me any footage of Conor throwing leg-kicks? John said it himself on the MMA Hour they were selective in what they showed.

It's intentional for sure!

Right...but they have said it...in public...soooooooooooooo...ya know?

wonderfullife · 21-06-2017 11:43PM

Gintonious wrote: »

Right...but they have said it...in public...soooooooooooooo...ya know?

Yeah if Floyd is an avid watcher of the MMA Hour and saw the episode in November he might twig that SBG like to release sparring footage that doesn't reflect an actual gameplan

Either way I fully expect all the footage that comes out not to resemble anything Conor TRIES to do come fight night.

Frank Bullitt · 21-06-2017 11:45PM

wonderfullife wrote: »

Yeah if Floyd is an avid watcher of the MMA Hour and saw the episode in November he might twig that SBG like to release sparring footage that doesn't reflect an actual gameplan

Either way I fully expect all the footage that comes out not to resemble anything Conor TRIES to do come fight night.

...I give up on this.

ted1 · 21-06-2017 11:49PM

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7S3-DqAZKc

No match for KTs ball cap
http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/watch-katie-taylor-punching-a-tennis-ball-attached-to-her-cap-with-crazy-skill-779130.html

cletus · 21-06-2017 11:56PM

@walshb: In terms of an mma fight between, McGregor and Floyd, I'm surprised to see you suggest that Floyd has more of a chance here than fighting the heavyweight champion in his own sport.

I see as little, if not less, chance for Floyd to win this, as Conor has in August. For you to use the punchers chance argument, which you have berated wonderfullife for (not that I agree with his point of view at all) is completely disingenuous.

Mma does not open more opportunities for Floyd to win, only more options for McGregor to finish him. I understand this argument is hypothetical (although probably more worthy than the street fight discussion), but you can't have it both ways. If Conor loses because he has no experience against the best in another sport, you have to apply the same logic to Floyd (even if McGregor is not 'the best', he is a good stand in).

If there is any doubt, viewing Toney Couture should help

Gamebred · 22-06-2017 12:22AM

ADRIEN BRONER CALLS MAYWEATHER VS. MCGREGOR "FIRST TELEVISED BANK ROBBERY"

Fantastic analogy.

wonderfullife · 22-06-2017 12:27AM

Gamebred wrote: »

ADRIEN BRONER CALLS MAYWEATHER VS. MCGREGOR "FIRST TELEVISED BANK ROBBERY"

Fantastic analogy.

He *literally* asked for Nate Diaz on the undercard yesterday.

Speaking of stupidity, Maura Ranallo came out on his podcast with Bas Rutten basically saying the fight is a joke!!

He's the lead commentator. SMH.

Gamebred · 22-06-2017 12:31AM

wonderfullife wrote: »

He *literally* asked for Nate Diaz on the undercard yesterday.

Speaking of stupidity, Maura Ranallo came out on his podcast with Bas Rutten basically saying the fight is a joke!!

He's the lead commentator. SMH.

Would you rather he lied? I appreciate honest opinion when listening to a podcast and not a hard sell from something because they have an interest in the event.

Not sure it this was posted but ill share anyways

wonderfullife · 22-06-2017 12:34AM

Gamebred wrote: »

Would you rather he lied? I appreciate honest opinion when listening to a podcast and not a hard sell from something because they have an interest in the event.

Not sure it this was posted but ill share anyways

No it doesn't bother me what he says but I doubt his employers are doing cartwheels over it.

Lou diBella went off on Oscar de la Hoya lol.

The truth is everyone from Oscar to Broner to GGG to Arum are all coming out strong against the fight because they're not involved in it.

hewhoscares · 22-06-2017 12:51AM

wonderfullife wrote: »

Gamebred wrote: »

Would you rather he lied? I appreciate honest opinion when listening to a podcast and not a hard sell from something because they have an interest in the event.

Not sure it this was posted but ill share anyways

No it doesn't bother me what he says but I doubt his employers are doing cartwheels over it.

Lou diBella went off on Oscar de la Hoya lol.

The truth is everyone from Oscar to Broner to GGG to Arum are all coming out strong against the fight because they're not involved in it.

And because it isn't a true sporting contest. They're jealous of the money it will make, but they're all correct in what they are saying.

Keenly following this thread if only to see what straw you'll grasp next.

wonderfullife · 22-06-2017 12:59AM

hewhoscares wrote: »

Keenly following this thread if only to see what straw you'll grasp next.

Straw to grasp *for what*?

The fight is signed. Conor will likely lose. They'll both make a lot of money.

It *is* by definition sport. They will be throwing punches at each other. Punches can and do hurt.

Anyone saying otherwise doesn't know what they're talking about.

Outlaw Pete · 22-06-2017 01:15AM

Perhaps already posted but I thought this was interesting as it shows Floyd Snr being asked about the possibility of the fight and as usual he says Floyd will whoop Conor's ass and all Floyd will need is his jab to deal with him anything he has to offer..... then he is shown the Eddie fight and he can't take his eyes off it..... and then doesn't seem anyway near as confident about the outcome afterwards as he did before

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkxq9hqRFwU

CatFromHue · 22-06-2017 01:17AM

wonderfullife wrote: »

He *literally* asked for Nate Diaz on the undercard yesterday.

Speaking of stupidity, Maura Ranallo came out on his podcast with Bas Rutten basically saying the fight is a joke!!

He's the lead commentator. SMH.

Wow that's nuts from Mauro but a lot of the media are saying the exact same thing.

Broner was taking the piss out of reporters and bookies when he said he was gonna fight Diaz.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvhJ4YDOwNs

15 seconds thru to 50 seconds

wonderfullife · 22-06-2017 01:20AM

Luke Thomas: "anyone who doubts that Conor believes he can win, they are badly mistaken."

Explains why at 6:21 onwards for 4 minutes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgpbiHXm0fI

Mellor · 22-06-2017 01:46AM

Ush1 wrote: »

walshb wrote: »

You should know this. Weigh it up. MMA presents more areas that Floyd could get the win vs. Conor in MAA than boxing presents him with to beat a far bigger man in specific boxing.

What are the more areas in MMA Floyd could get the win?

I was wondering that myself. There are more ways in MMA to win. But most of them aren't an option for Floyd.
He's not going to sub anyone. He's not going to head kick anyone. His only way to win is a with his boxing. Either a KO standing or immediately after a knock down. The additional ways to end a fight in MMA are ways in which he losses.

wonderfullife · 22-06-2017 03:16AM

Luke Thomas had some really good takes today and I think they're worth reading:

Q. If you had to pick one boxer/striker from MMA to represent the sport in boxing who would it be?

A. "None of them. But probably Holly Holm."

Continues:

"I've heard a lot of analogies this week of people trying to compare what McGregor is doing to something else. Andy Lee on my show compared it to a triathlete swimming against Phelps. Others have said it's like an NFL wide-receiver running against Usain Bolt.

All of the analogies are wrong because there is an "off-switch" in boxing, where someone can land a punch and close the show. There's nothing anyone can do in swimming, running, football, baseball to immediately finish it at any moment, like if in baseball hitting a home run in the 1st inning meant you win the game. However unlikely, McGregor is always one left hand away from bringing it to an end."

Continues:

"Can Conor McGregor win? Of course he can. I don't think he will. I'm at a loss for words at anybody who believes McGregor is *better* than any of Floyd's last 30 opponents at boxing. He isn't. Go educate yourselves on boxing and who Floyd has fought.

Conor's only path to victory is in showing us something we haven't seen from him before. Is he capable of doing it? Sure he is. Do I think he will? Nope. The chance of McGregor winning rounds (or the fight) is clearly not zero. I would rate his chances of winning a round at about 5% but I expect Floyd will win every round comfortably".

Adds:

"I interviewed Ice Cube today and he told me he's fine with switching his basketball game to the MGM Grand "if they take care of me"."

JoeyJJ · 22-06-2017 08:38AM

Luke Thomas is a joke lately, must unfollow on fb.

Official Conor McGregor thread (part 3) *Updated Warning in 1st Post Re:Boxing match

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