Official Conor McGregor thread (part 3) *Updated Warning in 1st Post Re:Boxing match

walshb

wonderfullife wrote: »

Then you've just agreed that Conor has more chance to KO Floyd than he does Stipe.
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Yet you conveniently leave out your example using hands tied behind backs.

Are you on a wind up here?

So, to be clear, in normal combat with no hands tied behind backs etc, Conor has more chance in MMA to get a KO than he has against Floyd in boxing..

wonderfullife

Mellor wrote: »

Conor best left hand landing flush doesn't generate close to power as a 265 lb heavyweight. I can't believe I'm have to actually write this.

Didn't you just post an hour ago slagging people for not understanding how size works in combat sports.

He's talking absolute waffle and revealing he knows nothing.

ESPN Sports Science measured the force of Conor's hardest punch at 754lbf (that's 754 pounds of force). That was at Featherweight. Add 100lbf for LW.

They also measured Cain Velasquez when he was Heavyweight Champion and it's a fair comparison to Stipe. They measured his hardest punch at 2,230lbf, three times harder.

More relevantly, Conor is 5' 9". To hit 6' 4" Stipe in the head there's no way he can do it without jumping into the air, which immediately renders most of his power meaingless.

From a pure physics standpoint, Conor has a way better chance of flattening Floyd than he does of KO'ing Stipe. Even when you factor in skill, he's still more likely to KO Floyd than Stipe.

Anyone who disputes it is clueless.

wonderfullife

Whelo79 wrote: »

Stop, stop, stop the madness. Please! I know this is a discussion thread but Wonder and Walshb have made this thread unbearable for the last 4 to 5 days. You've discussed it to death, you disagree, let's move on, please.

Move on to what?

Conor v Floyd is happening! What do you want to move on to, post something and we can discuss it.

walshb

Mellor wrote: »

Didn't you just post an hour ago slagging people for not understanding how size works in combat sports.

Size and ??

What I said....

"I am really beginning to wonder if some of you know anything about combat and fighting and size and weight."

I never only mentioned size and weight....look back. Picking parts of person's posts and leaving out others doesn't work well.

everlast75

wonderfullife wrote: »

Move on to what?

Conor v Floyd is happening! What do you want to move on to, post something and we can discuss it.

Yep - a boxing match is happening... and its between the two of them.

It's degenerated into talks of street fights and not just that, other fighters are being brought into it.

Just my view anyway

Too Tough To Die

Lol, this thread is diseased. Heated debate about tying hands behind backs and taking free shots, ffs.

CitizenFloor

Diseased. LOL.

Mellor

walshb wrote: »

"I am really beginning to wonder if some of you know anything about combat and fighting and size and weight."

I never only mentioned size and weight....look back. Picking parts of person's posts and leaving out others doesn't work well.

Right....and your now talking about an MMA fight against the 6'4", 250lb, HW champion. Ticks all boxes.
You're making an identical point to the one you were slagging off.


I more or less agreed with you regarding Conor not being an elite boxer (minus some hyperbole). But you've kicked it up a gear today. Bravo.

wonderfullife

everlast75 wrote: »

Yep - a boxing match is happening... and its between the two of them.

It's degenerated into talks of street fights and not just that, other fighters are being brought into it.

Just my view anyway

But other fighters, comparisons and analogies are always brought into discussions of fights.

Go back and look at the build-up to the Alvarez fight or the Diaz 2 fight. There was tons of discussion and comparisons about Khabib and Woodley in the build-up to both those fights. There was comparisons between Nate and Ferguson.

Too Tough To Die wrote: »

Lol, this thread is diseased. Heated debate about tying hands behind backs and taking free shots, ffs.

There's nothing 'diseased' in trying to educate a misinformed person who thinks that Conor's 750lbf punch would KO a heavyweight well used to taking 2,000lbf punches on the chin and standing up to them.

All of you people moaning about the direction of the thread are free to contribute your own talking points. That's how discussion forums go, post a different take on the fight and we'll discuss it.

Walshb might disagree with Mellor and myself on this one area but it's still very relevant to the fight at hand. His opinion that Conor has a better chance against Stipe than Floyd is a valid opinion, however misguided and incorrect it is.

walshb

wonderfullife wrote: »

He's talking absolute waffle and revealing he knows nothing.

Or could be put as "he won't automatically put his tongue up Conor's hole like mine" so that means he's a waffler, deluded and misinformed, and sure I gotta mute these kinds of people....

martyos121

Two months more of this, might run into a brick wall and hope I wake up just in time for the fight at this rate.

wonderfullife

walshb wrote: »

Or could be put as "he won't automatically put his tongue up Conor's hole like mine" so that means he's a waffler, deluded and misinformed, and sure I gotta mute these kinds of people....

754lbf of punching force is science. Conor punches that hard. Stipe regularly takes 2,000lbf punches on the chin and stands up to them. It's physically impossible for Conor to throw a 750lbf punch at a target that's 6' 4" in the air and 3 feet away from him.

Conor can't KO Stipe. He can KO Floyd.

I doubt he will but he can and I hope he does. That's that settled.

walshb

wonderfullife wrote: »

Stipe regularly takes 2,000lbf punches on the chin and stands up to them. It's physically impossible for Conor to throw a 750lbf punch at a target that's 6' 4" in the air and 3 feet away from him.

You can verify that he actually takes this force on the chin? Must have been getting hit with perfect punches with full force....Laboratory type shots.

Some hitech sh1t the UFC have going on there being able to measure the force/impact that their men absorb from punches.

Utter waffle...

Gamebred

MrEsmuppetbot wrote: »

Some simple rules to follow folks

wonderfullife

walshb wrote: »

You can verify...

I can verify in the last 3 days you've said:

1. The fight might be rigged/fixed/a scam.
2. Only way Conor is competitive is if Floyd lets him be.
3. You think it's very unlikely that Floyd throws the fight but if Conor wins you'll have to consider the possibility it was a rigged fight and that you'll be able to make the determination after the fight.

For someone who thinks it's a scam fight where one fighter has no chance, you sure post about it a lot.

walshb

wonderfullife wrote: »

I can verify in the last 3 days you've said:

1. The fight might be rigged/fixed/a scam.
2. Only way Conor is competitive is if Floyd lets him be.
3. You think it's very unlikely that Floyd throws the fight but if Conor wins you'll have to consider the possibility it was a rigged fight and that you'll be able to make the determination after the fight.

For someone who thinks it's a scam fight where one fighter has no chance, you sure post about it a lot.

Way to go to avoid the actual question.....

Sweet Science

I honestly think Conor will be spent after 3 to 4 rounds of boxing . Will be interesting to see if his cardio will be as bad as i think it will

Gamebred

Sweet Science wrote: »

I honestly think Conor will be spent after 3 to 4 rounds of boxing . Will be interesting to see if his cardio will be as bad as i think it will

More rests and no grappling will help, although hes only went 5 rounds in his life in mma once and just about won (got a second wind in the 4th tbf) but looked knackered even though it was a war.

ASOT

I wonder who would win in a knife fight, discuss.

walshb

ASOT wrote: »

I wonder who would win in a knife fight, discuss.

We had that discussion. It came under the street fight umbrella, but we decided that Floyd wins via gunshot wounds due to Floyd goons getting involved.

And some where even suggesting that Conor could dodge the bullets....ridiculous stuff altogether.

darced

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Whelo79

wonderfullife wrote: »

Move on to what?

Conor v Floyd is happening! What do you want to move on to, post something and we can discuss it.

I want you (and Walshb) to stop spamming the thread with nonsense about street fights, Stipe Miocic, Anthony Joshua, the difference between no chance and .01% chance, Conor and Floyd in an MMA fight. Talk about this actual fight. What can Conor do to win, keep his MMA stance, alter to a more conventional boxing stance, be aggressive, limit his striking and counter opportunistically, be clinch heavy and rough Floyd up. Be imaginative like some of your other posts/articles and stop being reduced to this childish tit for tat and repetition that has been going on for days now.

If you want to continue the nonsense with Walshb take it to PM.

wonderfullife

darced wrote: »

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Do you think Mighty Mouse could KO Yoel Romero with a punch? Roughly identical weight/height difference between those 2 and between Conor & Stipe.

darced

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wonderfullife

Whelo79 wrote: »

Talk about this actual fight. What can Conor do to win, keep his MMA stance, alter to a more conventional boxing stance, be aggressive, limit his striking and counter opportunistically, be clinch heavy and rough Floyd up. Be imaginative like some of your other posts/articles and stop being reduced to this childish tit for tat and repetition that has been going on for days now.

If you want to continue the nonsense with Walshb take it to PM.

Man, I've been doing all of the above. I wrote long posts on what positives Conor has going into this fight, what punches and combinations I think will work.

I personally think he'll fight from a modified stance. He can't keep the hybrid karate stance because the weight distribution for MMA is completely different. He'll still be heavy on his lead leg though I don't think that's something he can change in a year.

I think the Tyson/Maidana leaping left-hook will be a go-to for Conor because of the sweeping arc will suit his footwork and Maidana did land it on Floyd.

I think he'll throw the lead-hand corkscrew uppercut often with the left hook behind it and the rear-hand uppercut behind the cross.

I think he'll definitely throw the straight left, the double straight and he'll try set it up with the jab.

I wasn't the one who raised any of the topics you're complaining about, I just responded to them.

Sweet Science

Gamebred wrote: »

More rests and no grappling will help, although hes only went 5 rounds in his life in mma once and just about won (got a second wind in the 4th tbf) but looked knackered even though it was a war.

He will have to be jabbing constantly and try double up on the jab to protect himself . I can see his right arm being numb after 3 rounds .

wonderfullife

darced wrote: »

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Ok. Agree to disagree. Even David Haye (a heavyweight) couldn't land many punches on Valuev's chin without leaping into the shots and when you leap into shots you lose a ton of power from having both legs in the air.

Moving on.

Sweet Science

wonderfullife wrote: »

Man, I've been doing all of the above. I wrote long posts on what positives Conor has going into this fight, what punches and combinations I think will work.

I personally think he'll fight from a modified stance. He can't keep the hybrid karate stance because the weight distribution for MMA is completely different. He'll still be heavy on his lead leg though I don't think that's something he can change in a year.

I think the Tyson/Maidana leaping left-hook will be a go-to for Conor because of the sweeping arc will suit his footwork and Maidana did land it on Floyd.

I think he'll throw the lead-hand corkscrew uppercut often with the left hook behind it and the rear-hand uppercut behind the cross.

I think he'll definitely throw the straight left, the double straight and he'll try set it up with the jab.

I wasn't the one who raised any of the topics you're complaining about, I just responded to them.

Next level trolling

Sweet Science

This is great from Broner ( Gamebred gave me the heads up )


Broner was predictably swarmed with questions about his thoughts on the upcoming boxing bout between his promoter, Floyd Mayweather Jr., and Conor McGregor, the UFC lightweight champion and MMA's biggest star.

"That's going to be the first televised bank robbery, and he's not going to get in trouble for it!" Broner said.

walshb

wonderfullife wrote: »

I wasn't the one who raised any of the topics you're complaining about, I just responded to them.

You did bring up the most ridiculous of them, the street fight nonsense. Don't be trying to pawn that sh1t off to me....

I am moving on, but just wanted to make that point...

Over and out.