Official Conor McGregor thread (part 3) *Updated Warning in 1st Post Re:Boxing match

Ush1 wrote: »

Yet you said Conor has a better chance against Stipe......riiiiiiight.....

Yes. And someone agreed with me.

He has a very slim chance, but with small gloves and a good clean head shot IF he landed it he could KO a bigger man.

Of course, very slim

Weigh it all up. It's really simple

Floyd has 0 chance against AJ.

Unless you want to outline differently?

xtal191 wrote: »

I think that's fair, a boxer will always have a punchers chance if fighting an mma fight, a very very small chance though maybe 1 in 1000 or something ridiculous.

But Floyd would have absolutely zero chance of beating Joshua, there's nothing he could do to beat him imo.

....except maybe punch him?

xtal191

I think that's fair, a boxer will always have a punchers chance if fighting an mma fight, a very very small chance though maybe 1 in 1000 or something ridiculous.

But Floyd would have absolutely zero chance of beating Joshua, there's nothing he could do to beat him imo.

Mellor wrote: »

I don't think he'd **** his pants. He'd be quite "tough" imo. But his never checked a roundhouse in his life. A few of them and he's on the ground, maybe the first one.

Not to do with toughness really. It would be a completely new experience to him. Along with the physical aspects as you said, a good leg kicker only needs one.

Yet you said Conor has a better chance against Stipe......riiiiiiight.....

Mellor

Ush1 wrote: »

He'd get leg kicked once and sh*t his pants, and that's no slight on Floyd, just the reality of being kicked without being used to it or prepared.

I don't think he'd **** his pants. He'd be quite "tough" imo. But his never checked a roundhouse in his life. A few of them and he's on the ground, maybe the first one.

I ma really beginning to wonder if some of you know anything about combat and fighting and size and weight......

Ush1 wrote: »

It's all a ridiculous argument but I think Floyd lasts longer in a boxing match with AJ, than an MMA fight with Conor. He will at least be familiar with how a boxer moves and can only be punched.

What is it with some here. Not arguing how long each last. I am saying chances wise he has 0 to win vs. AJ

At least in MMA he has a punchers chance, albeit a small one.

Mellor wrote: »

Floyd is good at strikes and punches? What???
When strikes, other than punches, is Floyd supposed to be good at? The occasional illegal elbow is nothing like a Muay Thai elbow.
And kicks, lmfao. I'm sure he'd throw a perfect roundhouse to the head first time he tried. It's just lifting you're legs up, right?

Seriously, that's ridiculous. In that one post, you've done exactly what you've been deriding all week. To suggest that Floyd could suddenly become an elite Muay Thai/kickboxer because he's a great boxer, is exactly the same as people saying Conor will be an elite boxer because he throws punches in MMA.

For the record, an MMA fighter isn't going to stand and trade with him in an MMA fight. They'd immediately look for the takedown.
But even in a Muay Thai fight. He'd get tooled up imo.

Just to be clear, because it seem that you are taking this far too seriously, Floyd has very little chance to beat Conor in MMA. I just think that he has absolute 0 chance to beat AJ in boxing.

Forget all the grappling and kicking and muay thai that you are looking at.

It's simple. Floyd has a slim chance in MMA, none vs. AJ in boxing

That slim chance in MAA likley is due to a KO shot. Other than this he has very little chance

How you are confused over this and going off on tangents is your issue.

AJ being circa 9 inches taller and 100 lbs heavier pretty much means 0 chance, as well as AJ being a boxer, and a HW champion.

Conor being 1 inch taller and a bit heavier means at least Floyd can hit him to the chin or head if he got the chance....

See, when you break it down like this it's very easy to understand.

Mellor wrote: »

Floyd is good at strikes and punches? What???
When strikes, other than punches, is Floyd supposed to be good at? The occasional illegal elbow is nothing like a Muay Thai elbow.
And kicks, lmfao. I'm sure he'd throw a perfect roundhouse to the head first time he tried. It's just lifting you're legs up, right?

Seriously, that's ridiculous. In that one post, you've done exactly what you've been deriding all week. To suggest that Floyd could suddenly become an elite Muay Thai/kickboxer because he's a great boxer, is exactly the same as people saying Conor will be an elite boxer because he throws punches in MMA.

For the record, an MMA fighter isn't going to stand and trade with him in an MMA fight. They'd immediately look for the takedown.
But even in a Muay Thai fight. He'd get tooled up imo.

He'd get leg kicked once and sh*t his pants, and that's no slight on Floyd, just the reality of being kicked without being used to it or prepared.

walshb wrote: »

1. He is fighting a man of similar size, Conor. Not AJ, who is so very much bigger than Floyd. Floyd would be extremely lucky to even land a head shot on a man than is 8-10 inches taller. And he will NOT beat AJ with a body shot or body work.

2. MMA allows you to strike and punch, an area that Floyd is good at. Also allows you strike with elbows. Allows you to kick as well. I am sure Floyd with some practice could time and throw a kick.

Grappling would be the most difficult for Floyd to master, but he is a very natural athlete that could at least get some basic training and competency.

BTW, this is all just comparison.

Conor would be a clear favorite vs Floyd in MMA.

Floyd against AJ in boxing stands 0 chance to win......Absolute 0. At least with Conor he has even the fluke hail mary chance. He has not got this vs. AJ.

Floyd against Conor in MMA stand very little chance to win, but for reasons I mentioned he stands more chance than he does than against AJ in boxing.

This is basic simple common sense...

You've really just listed all the reasons why Floyd would have more ways to be finished in MMA.

You're sure with time and practice Floyd could throw a kick? Not that simple I'm afraid.

Floyd can do one thing and one thing only, throw punches. Conor can throw punches, elbows, kicks, knees, chokes, jointlocks, throw him etc....

It's all a ridiculous argument but I think Floyd lasts longer in a boxing match with AJ, than an MMA fight with Conor. He will at least be familiar with how a boxer moves and can only be punched.

As for this street fight stuff, this argument was put to bed in 1993 by a skinny average Brazilian guy named Gracie. "Street fight" means no rules, which sport has less rules, MMA or boxing? And that's only if you're talking about the unified MMA rules, promotions in Japan still allow soccer kicks, stomps etc...

Mellor

walshb wrote: »

2. MMA allows you to strike and punch, an area that Floyd is good at. Also allows you strike with elbows. Allows you to kick as well. I am sure Floyd with some practice could time and throw a kick.

Floyd is good at strikes and punches? What???
What strikes, other than punches, is Floyd supposed to be good at? The occasional illegal elbow is nothing like a Muay Thai elbow.
And kicks, lmfao. I'm sure he'd throw a perfect roundhouse to the head first time he tried. It's just lifting you're legs up, right?

Seriously, that's ridiculous. In that one post, you've done exactly what you've been deriding all week. To suggest that Floyd could suddenly become an elite Muay Thai/kickboxer because he's a great boxer, is exactly the same as people saying Conor will be an elite boxer because he throws punches in MMA.

For the record, an MMA fighter isn't going to stand and trade with him in an MMA fight. They'd immediately look for the takedown.
But even in a Muay Thai fight. He'd get tooled up imo.

everlast75

I liked Comedian* Bill Burr's take on it.

He said that this fight is like a fight between two swiss army knives. Except McGregor, despite being proficient at all of the tools, is told he can only use one knife. And that knife happens to be the one Mayweather has been sharpening for 40 years

*and also complete sports anorak

Ush1 wrote: »

What are the more areas in MMA Floyd could get the win?

1. He is fighting a man of similar size, Conor. Not AJ, who is so very much bigger than Floyd. Floyd would be extremely lucky to even land a head shot on a man than is 8-10 inches taller. And he will NOT beat AJ with a body shot or body work.

2. MMA allows you to strike and punch, an area that Floyd is good at. Also allows you strike with elbows. Allows you to kick as well. I am sure Floyd with some practice could time and throw a kick.

Grappling would be the most difficult for Floyd to master, but he is a very natural athlete that could at least get some basic training and competency.

BTW, this is all just comparison.

Conor would be a clear favorite vs Floyd in MMA.

Floyd against AJ in boxing stands 0 chance to win......Absolute 0. At least with Conor he has even the fluke hail mary chance. He has not got this vs. AJ.

Floyd against Conor in MMA stand very little chance to win, but for reasons I mentioned he stands more chance than he does than against AJ in boxing.

This is basic simple common sense...

Awesomeness

Conor may believe that he will beat mayweather but I very much doubt if JK or Roddy believe it.

You have teammates fighting sometimes and you know its unlikely they will win(Always have a small chance and its great when your wrong) but you still have to get behind them, support them as much as you can and tell everyone they will win. That is what I think those lads are doing.

When is the last time any fighter had a team mate say he wont win before a fight

cloudatlas

SBG are sponsored by Lynx now maybe Conor can spray so much of that stink on him that Floyd's eyes will well up causing his vision to blur and he can clock him with that left hand.

Gamebred

JoeyJJ wrote: »

Luke Thomas is a joke lately, must unfollow on fb.

MMA Media in general is just a joke, they are fanboys covering the sport.

JoeyJJ

Luke Thomas is a joke lately, must unfollow on fb.

Luke Thomas had some really good takes today and I think they're worth reading:

Q. If you had to pick one boxer/striker from MMA to represent the sport in boxing who would it be?

A. "None of them. But probably Holly Holm."

Continues:

"I've heard a lot of analogies this week of people trying to compare what McGregor is doing to something else. Andy Lee on my show compared it to a triathlete swimming against Phelps. Others have said it's like an NFL wide-receiver running against Usain Bolt.

All of the analogies are wrong because there is an "off-switch" in boxing, where someone can land a punch and close the show. There's nothing anyone can do in swimming, running, football, baseball to immediately finish it at any moment, like if in baseball hitting a home run in the 1st inning meant you win the game. However unlikely, McGregor is always one left hand away from bringing it to an end."

Continues:

"Can Conor McGregor win? Of course he can. I don't think he will. I'm at a loss for words at anybody who believes McGregor is *better* than any of Floyd's last 30 opponents at boxing. He isn't. Go educate yourselves on boxing and who Floyd has fought.

Conor's only path to victory is in showing us something we haven't seen from him before. Is he capable of doing it? Sure he is. Do I think he will? Nope. The chance of McGregor winning rounds (or the fight) is clearly not zero. I would rate his chances of winning a round at about 5% but I expect Floyd will win every round comfortably".

Adds:

"I interviewed Ice Cube today and he told me he's fine with switching his basketball game to the MGM Grand "if they take care of me"."

Mellor

Ush1 wrote: »

walshb wrote: »

You should know this. Weigh it up. MMA presents more areas that Floyd could get the win vs. Conor in MAA than boxing presents him with to beat a far bigger man in specific boxing.

What are the more areas in MMA Floyd could get the win?

I was wondering that myself. There are more ways in MMA to win. But most of them aren't an option for Floyd.
He's not going to sub anyone. He's not going to head kick anyone. His only way to win is a with his boxing. Either a KO standing or immediately after a knock down. The additional ways to end a fight in MMA are ways in which he losses.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgpbiHXm0fI

Luke Thomas: "anyone who doubts that Conor believes he can win, they are badly mistaken."

Explains why at 6:21 onwards for 4 minutes.

CatFromHue

wonderfullife wrote: »

He *literally* asked for Nate Diaz on the undercard yesterday.

Speaking of stupidity, Maura Ranallo came out on his podcast with Bas Rutten basically saying the fight is a joke!!

He's the lead commentator. SMH.

Wow that's nuts from Mauro but a lot of the media are saying the exact same thing.

Broner was taking the piss out of reporters and bookies when he said he was gonna fight Diaz.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvhJ4YDOwNs

15 seconds thru to 50 seconds

Outlaw Pete

Perhaps already posted but I thought this was interesting as it shows Floyd Snr being asked about the possibility of the fight and as usual he says Floyd will whoop Conor's ass and all Floyd will need is his jab to deal with him anything he has to offer..... then he is shown the Eddie fight and he can't take his eyes off it..... and then doesn't seem anyway near as confident about the outcome afterwards as he did before

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkxq9hqRFwU

hewhoscares wrote: »

Keenly following this thread if only to see what straw you'll grasp next.

Straw to grasp *for what*?

The fight is signed. Conor will likely lose. They'll both make a lot of money.

It *is* by definition sport. They will be throwing punches at each other. Punches can and do hurt.

Anyone saying otherwise doesn't know what they're talking about.

hewhoscares

wonderfullife wrote: »

Gamebred wrote: »

Would you rather he lied? I appreciate honest opinion when listening to a podcast and not a hard sell from something because they have an interest in the event.

Not sure it this was posted but ill share anyways

No it doesn't bother me what he says but I doubt his employers are doing cartwheels over it.

Lou diBella went off on Oscar de la Hoya lol.

The truth is everyone from Oscar to Broner to GGG to Arum are all coming out strong against the fight because they're not involved in it.

And because it isn't a true sporting contest. They're jealous of the money it will make, but they're all correct in what they are saying.

Keenly following this thread if only to see what straw you'll grasp next.

Gamebred wrote: »

Would you rather he lied? I appreciate honest opinion when listening to a podcast and not a hard sell from something because they have an interest in the event.

Not sure it this was posted but ill share anyways

No it doesn't bother me what he says but I doubt his employers are doing cartwheels over it.

Lou diBella went off on Oscar de la Hoya lol.

The truth is everyone from Oscar to Broner to GGG to Arum are all coming out strong against the fight because they're not involved in it.

Gamebred

wonderfullife wrote: »

He *literally* asked for Nate Diaz on the undercard yesterday.

Speaking of stupidity, Maura Ranallo came out on his podcast with Bas Rutten basically saying the fight is a joke!!

He's the lead commentator. SMH.

Would you rather he lied? I appreciate honest opinion when listening to a podcast and not a hard sell from something because they have an interest in the event.

Not sure it this was posted but ill share anyways