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3:57 Mile @ 16 years of Age
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I dunno. What's a kid, or a kid's coach, to do? He isn't going to learn much by racing against his peers, winning races by 10 or 15 seconds. We see it in other sports too with exceptional talents, think tennis. And in team sports and contact sports it can be worse I would have thought.
Yes, it is true that precocious talents don't always work out but as I say, what's the alternative for a 3.57 miler?
Yeah sure, if you're going to focus on purely the physical side, but I'd be more inclined to approach this athlete's career holistically.
There's more to being a successful athlete than just racing. I would want this guy to be the best he can be and I don't think being chucked into the cauldron of diamond league racing at 16 is going to allow him to be the best he can be.
Think of his career as a fire (keeping the cauldron analogy going); you can burn hot and hard - and very possibly burn out quickly - or stoke it slowly and bring it to full potential.
There's a discipline to training and racing and it's not just about being disciplined by doing all the right training, S&C and racing. There's a discipline in patience and timing too. If he's gonna be great, the greatness will wait and he'll be great/greater at 25 when he is in full physical and emotional maturity. We often talk about 'leaving your race in training' and I think adolescence is very much that: training for adulthood and I would be concerned he'll leave his 'race' in adolescence.
Just my opinion
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Testosterscone wrote: »For me this is half the reason why I feel like Jakob could be exception to usual protocol. With Junior athletes normally its a case of deflated confidence at step up that see's Juniors fail to make the step up (big fish in small point suddenly flung into the deep blue sea) but here we have the kid coming from an already high pressured environment where he is chasing his training partners getting small bit of exposure early season before he goes into his target championships as arguably one of the favorites.
There is also the matter that given history there might well be a 3.35 East African "junior" who could have to compete against in Grosseto.
Ok, ya got me Mylesie, this morning may be the most times I have signed in all year
I would still be inclined to exercise caution. As I said before, if he's gonna be great, the greatness won't go away while he is slowed down a tad. He is being touted as a 1500m specialist since age 15, possibly earlier. Why? Most kids only start to specialise in a sporting discipline age 15, not an event. And why 1500m? Am playing devil's advocate here but is he the 'perfection' in a 1500m 'experiment' with three prime, genetically-related guinea pigs?
That's an extreme view and ultimately, none of us here can know the insider view of the Ingebritsen circle but on a general scale, his participation in the senior elite side of things leaves me slightly uneasy. Didn't Filip have a rather aggressive showing last year that led to disqualification? I hope that is one of the "mistakes" Gjert is addressing.
16 has a whole lot of things going on aside from sporting excellence and I would hope that he is being allowed to develop holistically too. Precocious talent - in any discipline - requires very special handling. The wrong sort of handling and we're going towards child abuse. And let's not forget, that's all Jakob is, a child.
And a side from on general grounds of compassion, he'll be a helluva better athlete the more rounded he is 0 -
Ok, ya got me Mylesie, this morning may be the most times I have signed in all year
Actual athletics discussion around here? you know I will jump at the chanceI would still be inclined to exercise caution. As I said before, if he's gonna be great, the greatness won't go away while he is slowed down a tad. He is being touted as a 1500m specialist since age 15, possibly earlier. Why? Most kids only start to specialise in a sporting discipline age 15, not an event. And why 1500m? Am playing devil's advocate here but is he the 'perfection' in a 1500m 'experiment' with three prime, genetically-related guinea pigs?
That's an extreme view and ultimately, none of us here can know the insider view of the Ingebritsen circle but on a general scale, his participation in the senior elite side of things leaves me slightly uneasy. Didn't Filip have a rather aggressive showing last year that led to disqualification? I hope that is one of the "mistakes" Gjert is addressing.
16 has a whole lot of things going on aside from sporting excellence and I would hope that he is being allowed to develop holistically too. Precocious talent - in any discipline - requires very special handling. The wrong sort of handling and we're going towards child abuse. And let's not forget, that's all Jakob is, a child.
And a side from on general grounds of compassion, he'll be a helluva better athlete the more rounded he is
Completely agree and given that Scandinavians have had issues with LTAD previously it is a valid concern but I suppose given we don't have the full facts it's just speculation
Did the 1500 come on the back of talent or might it have been motivated from seeing Henrik getting 5th in The Olympics and his progression?
Having said that I do believe that the fact that the two brothers act probably act as a buffer to an extent from the pushy parent syndrome usually seen in sports that usually creates an immediate demand for success.
I do feel long term development is crucial but I think the odd bit of exposure to top level competition can act as a good tool to create a desire to continue to develop as well as create an excitement with being able to race some of the best in the world and not be in awe when come to senior level. It also gives a rare chance to run against top class fields without having the pressure of expectation (how many athletes have the luxury of being beaten by 60-70m and it being seen as a very good run)
I agree with you on handling of special talents but I think you need to balance "handling a young athlete" but I think that this includes not being completely fearful of trying to nurture special talents.0 -
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