Dublin Routes News 2017

Blut2 · 14-05-2017 9:59am

I've flown the route a decent amount and it seems like a lot of passengers making connections. I'm not sure theres enough 'snob factor' for many people to justify paying the premium otherwise, when EI/Ryanair have so many flights a day on the same route for so much less.

For business users who aren't paying themselves though its completely worth it to get miles credited to a decent program instead of the disaster that is Aerclub.

Noxegon · 14-05-2017 10:12am

I'm certainly prepared to pay a premium for KLM over Aer Lingus, though not a €300 one. Twenty percent perhaps.

haro124 · 14-05-2017 10:18am

I got return weekend flights for €97 which was cheaper than Ryanair and Aer Lingus about 8 weeks in advance! Lots of people were making connections to places in Germany like Hannover and Scandinavia. When I was checking in online for the flight home I also got offered to upgrade to business class for €65. Wasn't going to pay that for an hour!

L1011 · 14-05-2017 10:22am

There's a decent flyingblue customer base here from the cityjet days but that alone isn't filling 400 seats a day.

VG31 · 14-05-2017 11:24am

Business class on the KLM DUB-AMS flights is very expensive as well. The lowest I can see for return flights is €660, versus €340 to FRA with LH, €400 to CDG with AF and €300 to LCY with BA.

ongarboy · 14-05-2017 8:55pm

JCX BXC wrote: »

Do many people actually pay that premium, or is the route dominated by connections and a few business suits?

Insightful article about KLM's strategy for launching this route.

https://www.businesstraveller.com/news/2016/06/21/klm-returns-to-dublin-after-50-years/

Savman · 15-05-2017 10:16am

ongarboy wrote: »

Insightful article about KLM's strategy for launching this route.

https://www.businesstraveller.com/news/2016/06/21/klm-returns-to-dublin-after-50-years/

It says the last time they served Dublin was 50 years ago. I could've sworn I sat on a KLM plane to Amsterdam in the 80's??

Noxegon · 15-05-2017 11:10am

I could've sworn I sat on a KLM plane to Amsterdam in the 80's??

You may well have done – but I'm guessing you didn't board it in DUB!

Jamie2k9 · 30-05-2017 1:15pm

AC return to YYZ with A333 from 30 October.

Captain_Crash · 30-05-2017 1:58pm

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

AC return to YYZ with A333 from 30 October.

Might you mean TS or EI? I believe Air Canada are retiring their 330's and currently only fly them out of YUL.

Jamie2k9 · 30-05-2017 4:44pm

Captain_Crash wrote: »

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

AC return to YYZ with A333 from 30 October.

Might you mean TS or EI? I believe Air Canada are retiring their 330's and currently only fly them out of YUL.

No AC, they have 8 A333 and no firm dates for them to go.

Captain_Crash · 31-05-2017 7:35am

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

No AC, they have 8 A333 and no firm dates for them to go.

Yup your right, its in the booking engine on the website. That's a big U turn from AC, only recently they moved all 330's to YUL and 767's to YYZ.

Jamie2k9 · 07-06-2017 10:30pm

Second daily MUC which started this summer will operate year round and a fourth daily FRA starts on 29 October.

munchkin_utd · 08-06-2017 7:39am

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Second daily MUC which started this summer will operate year round and a fourth daily FRA starts on 29 October.

thats great news .

It might be connected (or at least helped) by Transavia shutting their Munich base permanently from winter onwards including the Dublin flights, but from taking the Lufthansa service a few times now its remarkable to see how many who use the service whose final destination isn't Munich, some long haul but many also heading to various random European destinations who have no direct connection to Dublin.

Another observation on that route but with the Aer Lingus service, is how in the past 3 or 4 years the amount of transfer passengers in Dublin to or from the USA has increased from barely any at all to now being a noticeable (americans are particularly noticeable) amount of traffic.

Its great to see so much Europe-USA connecting traffic with Aerlingus, but I still find it strange that Aer Lingus isn't copying Iceland Air and really pushing a stopover in Ireland as a marketing feature rather than a hindrance to be endured, but that'd be another issue I suppose.

LXFlyer · 08-06-2017 7:50am

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Second daily MUC which started this summer will operate year round and a fourth daily FRA starts on 29 October.

Great news - Lufthansa really are developing their Dublin services into a strong product feeding into their global network.

Now if only SWISS could add an extra daily flight to tie in with the evening long haul services out of ZRH....

VG31 · 08-06-2017 7:56am

It would be great to see Austrian here as well. Only one EI flight to VIE a day and there are lots of connection possibilities to Eastern Europe and Asia.

Jamie2k9 · 08-06-2017 10:28am

VG31 wrote: »

It would be great to see Austrian here as well. Only one EI flight to VIE a day and there are lots of connection possibilities to Eastern Europe and Asia.

We had Austrian a few years back, can't remember the schedule but think it was not targeted at connections.

Grahamer666 · 11-06-2017 11:51am

Anyone know what the Qatar departing DUB this afternoon is?

Irish Steve · 11-06-2017 12:39pm

I would guess it's the scheduled service to Doha, QR9611 due to depart at 1705, not sure about aircraft type if that's the question

EICVD · 11-06-2017 12:42pm

Grahamer666 wrote: »

Anyone know what the Qatar departing DUB this afternoon is?

An A330 arrived a few weeks for painting so I'd say it's that one.

JCX BXC · 11-06-2017 12:47pm

The service to Doha isn't scheduled to begin until tomorrow, with the inaugural flight being on the A350, not sure why there's a departure showing for today, also I note that there's no arrival on the boards, only a departure.

Flight number for the DOH-DUB-DOH are QR19/QR20.

ButtersSuki · 13-06-2017 9:56am

Does anyone have any update on the proposed Aer Lingus Dublin - Las Vegas route? I haven't heard anything in a while on this.

I'm not actually asking for Vegas (I've been a few times and can go or pass on another visit tbh) but it would be so much handier for me from a direct/flight time/travel time perspective to a city I have to visit frequently with work.

L1011 · 13-06-2017 10:17am

They've increased winter services on other routes so much i doubt the capacity is still there

EICVD · 13-06-2017 10:30am

ButtersSuki wrote: »

Does anyone have any update on the proposed Aer Lingus Dublin - Las Vegas route? I haven't heard anything in a while on this.

I'm not actually asking for Vegas (I've been a few times and can go or pass on another visit tbh) but it would be so much handier for me from a direct/flight time/travel time perspective to a city I have to visit frequently with work.

Mentioned the proposed Vegas route to a friend who's cabin crew, not the best source I know but says it won't happen due to being a low yield destination.

nkfox · 13-06-2017 10:38am

EICVD wrote: »

Mentioned the proposed Vegas route to a friend who's cabin crew, not the best source I know but says it won't happen due to being a low yield destination.

I have only been to Las Vegas a few times, basically for trade shows and as a gateway to doing a road trip. In the past I have been Dublin to Gatwick then Virgin Atlantic to Las Vegas. Every time, the majority of the passengers on the Aer Lingus Dublin to Gatwick flight ended up on the VS flight to Las Vegas.

I would have thought with the tie up with AIG, it would have made sense to Aer Lingus and AIG to keep that traffic for themselves and route other traffic through Dublin, especially with US pre-clearance here.

EICVD · 13-06-2017 11:04am

nkfox wrote: »

I have only been to Las Vegas a few times, basically for trade shows and as a gateway to doing a road trip. In the past I have been Dublin to Gatwick then Virgin Atlantic to Las Vegas. Every time, the majority of the passengers on the Aer Lingus Dublin to Gatwick flight ended up on the VS flight to Las Vegas.

I would have thought with the tie up with AIG, it would have made sense to Aer Lingus and AIG to keep that traffic for themselves and route other traffic through Dublin, especially with US pre-clearance here.

It's going that way, twice in the past family members flew DUB-LGW-LAS with EI & VS but in the last year another family member flew DUB-PHL-LAS with AA & LAS-LHR-DUB with BA.

Locker10a · 13-06-2017 11:17am

nkfox wrote: »

EICVD wrote: »

Mentioned the proposed Vegas route to a friend who's cabin crew, not the best source I know but says it won't happen due to being a low yield destination.

I have only been to Las Vegas a few times, basically for trade shows and as a gateway to doing a road trip. In the past I have been Dublin to Gatwick then Virgin Atlantic to Las Vegas. Every time, the majority of the passengers on the Aer Lingus Dublin to Gatwick flight ended up on the VS flight to Las Vegas.

I would have thought with the tie up with AIG, it would have made sense to Aer Lingus and AIG to keep that traffic for themselves and route other traffic through Dublin, especially with US pre-clearance here.

IAG

nkfox · 13-06-2017 11:20am

EICVD wrote: »

It's going that way, twice in the past family members flew DUB-LGW-LAS with EI & VS but in the last year another family member flew DUB-PHL-LAS with AA & LAS-LHR-DUB with BA.

I think maybe the terminal change of VS and BA at LGW has had an impact on that routing.

I was hoping the LAS direct from DUB would be up for the winter schedule myself as I am over at another show in November. However I am going DUB - SFO - LAS then doing a road trip after the show and returning direct from SFO to DUB.

ButtersSuki · 13-06-2017 11:54am

The reason I asked is they (Aer Lingus) said they were going to launch the service in Winter '17:

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/aer-lingus-now-planning-direct-flights-to-las-vegas-35417113.html

JCX BXC · 13-06-2017 12:20pm

ButtersSuki wrote: »

The reason I asked is they (Aer Lingus) said they were going to launch the service in Winter '17:

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/aer-lingus-now-planning-direct-flights-to-las-vegas-35417113.html

It's a bit late now really for that, maybe winter 2018/19?

And a heads up, AIG are an insurance broker!

Collie D · 13-06-2017 12:47pm

Just noticed while checking in on Ryanair's website that Boston and JFK are down as departure airports - no destinations but getting their system ready perhaps?

TheFitz13 · 13-06-2017 12:48pm

Collie D wrote: »

Just noticed while checking in on Ryanair's website that Boston and JFK are down as departure airports - no destinations but getting their system ready perhaps?

Probably they're new deal wth Air Europa.

JCX BXC · 13-06-2017 12:55pm

Collie D wrote: »

Just noticed while checking in on Ryanair's website that Boston and JFK are down as departure airports - no destinations but getting their system ready perhaps?

As above, their connection deal with Air Europa, it's not live yet but soon you'll be able to book flights from airports around Europe to the US via Madrid.

Ben D Bus · 13-06-2017 12:57pm

ButtersSuki wrote: »

The reason I asked is they (Aer Lingus) said they were going to launch the service in Winter '17:

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/aer-lingus-now-planning-direct-flights-to-las-vegas-35417113.html

Not quite "going to launch". Not even "planning". "Looking at the possibility" might be closer. Never trust an Irish Independent headline.

"We are working to build a business case to operate a seasonal service to Las Vegas," Mr Kavanagh told the Irish Independent.

"We think there's an opportunity around Las Vegas. Whether it's year-round or just tactically in the winter months, that's what we're looking at."

VG31 · 16-06-2017 10:20am

Flybe starting route to Southend from 29 October 2017. It will be operated by Stobart Air.

TheFitz13 · 16-06-2017 10:34am

Will the aircraft be in a stobart livery, Flybe or will it be in EI regional colours?

VG31 · 16-06-2017 10:41am

It will be standard Flybe livery. Stobart Air already operate two ATRs and two Embraers for Flybe out of Southend. I think I saw somewhere that this route will be operated by the Embraers.

KCAccidental · 17-06-2017 1:24am

VG31 wrote: »

Flybe starting route to Southend from 29 October 2017. It will be operated by Stobart Air.

When Crossrail opens, Southend might become a bit more attractive for people getting to London.

ED E · 17-06-2017 1:35am

KCAccidental wrote: »

When Crossrail opens, Southend might become a bit more attractive for people getting to London.

Could it really compete with the London radial airports?

marno21 · 17-06-2017 1:57am

I don't see the advantage of SEN myself but maybe others do. Ryanair etc can surely compete on price and it doesn't have a geographical advantage like LCY does. Didn't the last attempt at SEN fail from Dublin?

Jamie2k9 · 17-06-2017 2:02am

marno21 wrote: »

I don't see the advantage of SEN myself but maybe others do. Ryanair etc can surely compete on price and it doesn't have a geographical advantage like LCY does. Didn't the last attempt at SEN fail from Dublin?

Last two attempts did but they are using a Jet this time which should help.

Irishweather · 17-06-2017 2:14am

Why fly there when you can fly to STN and hop on the Stansted Express into Liverpool Street? Seems pointless.

Jamie2k9 · 17-06-2017 2:30am

KCAccidental wrote: »

When Crossrail opens, Southend might become a bit more attractive for people getting to London.

Don't see it myself, LHR is by far the best airport for getting around London on public transport.

Noxegon · 17-06-2017 3:19am

Irishweather wrote: »

Why fly there when you can fly to STN and hop on the Stansted Express into Liverpool Street? Seems pointless.

Why fly to Heathrow when you can fly into London City and be in the city? Or why fly to Cork when you can fly into Shannon and drive?

SEN has a different catchment area to STN. It's not only people outbound from DUB.

kub · 17-06-2017 10:43am

Noxegon wrote:

Why fly to Heathrow when you can fly into London City and be in the city? Or why fly to Cork when you can fly into Shannon and drive?

Sorry have you ever driven on the borreen between Cork and Limerick?

Noxegon · 17-06-2017 2:06pm

kub wrote: »

Sorry have you ever driven on the borreen between Cork and Limerick?

I have, though it wasn't a serious question. I was just pointing out that different airports suit different people. SEN will suit many far better than the other London airports.

Case in point, I'm going to be travelling through FMM next week, which is in the middle of nowhere by any objective definition. It also happens to be less than fifteen minutes drive from where I need to be.

Irishweather · 17-06-2017 2:42pm

It Can't suit many with only 874,000 passengers in 2016.

Jamie2k9 · 23-06-2017 8:58pm

AF reduce CDG from 5 to 4 daily with AF (x2), Hop (x1) and WX (x1)

KLM increase AMS from 2 to 5 daily with KL mainline (x2) and City Hopper (x3).

JCX BXC · 24-06-2017 8:51am

Effective from when?

Jamie2k9 · 24-06-2017 11:04am

JCX BXC wrote: »

Effective from when?

Winter season, from 29 October.

Dublin Routes News 2017

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