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lawred2 · 16-06-2017 06:24PM

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Other shocking ones are Barca, PSV, Man U, Inter and PSG. It's almost as if these showoffs somehow think their arrogant shorthand should mean something to ordinary people.

?

Atleti - yes that's pretentious

The rest are just shortened for convenience.

As for PSV, seriously, if you were to say Eindhoven to someone, they would be less likely to think you were referring to the football club.

dxhound2005 · 16-06-2017 06:27PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

My personal favorite has always been:

'De-porrrrr-tiiiii-voooo la co-ruin-yaaah'

(Deportivo La Coruña)

Congratulations, you got the phonetics absolutely spot on, including the accented ñ, which is a separate letter in Spanish.

I am also impressed by English speakers who use their knowledge of French to say Paree San Sher Man. English speakers should obviously say Paris Saint German.

lawred2 · 16-06-2017 06:28PM

Graham Hunter is a pompous arse.

dxhound2005 · 16-06-2017 06:28PM

lawred2 wrote: »

?

Atleti - yes that's pretentious

The rest are just shortened for convenience.

As for PSV, seriously, if you were to say Eindhoven to someone, they would be less likely to think you were referring to the football club.

Barca is so so pretentious, I don't know where to begin.

lawred2 · 16-06-2017 06:29PM

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Barca is so so pretentious, I don't know where to begin.

Actually I might concede that one to you.

OldMrBrennan83 · 16-06-2017 08:29PM

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Ol' Donie · 16-06-2017 09:05PM

Patww79 wrote: »

Whatever about Barca, it's when they start with the Bartha they can away and **** off.

Does he still say FC Barcelona every five seconds too? In case we thought the city itself was playing football matches?

dxhound2005 · 16-06-2017 09:35PM

Patww79 wrote: »

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Barca is an oddity. In regular Spanish it would be pronounced Barka but as it is a diminutive of Barcelona where the CE is lisped it carries on the lisped sounding. I wouldn't regard it as any more remarkable or offensive than native English speakers saying Paree in the name of that club from the French capital.

Despite the jingoistic tendencies of some English speakers they can unknowingly pick up foreign pronunciations. Una cerveza with the lisped C and Z would not be totally unfamiliar to everyone in Ireland, and plenty can tell the difference between a Spanish and a Portuguese José.

Ol' Donie · 16-06-2017 09:42PM

Mmm cervezas.

hullaballoo · 16-06-2017 10:53PM

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Barca is an oddity. In regular Spanish it would be pronounced Barka but as it is a diminutive of Barcelona where the CE is lisped it carries on the lisped sounding. I wouldn't regard it as any more remarkable or offensive than native English speakers saying Paree in the name of that club from the French capital.

Despite the jingoistic tendencies of some English speakers they can unknowingly pick up foreign pronunciations. Una cerveza with the lisped C and Z would not be totally unfamiliar to everyone in Ireland, and plenty can tell the difference between a Spanish and a Portuguese José.

Afraid not.

Barca is not an oddity in any way because the correct way to spell it in Castilian, which is what most people think of as "Spanish" is Barça and pronounced, "bar-sa." In Catalan, which is the language spoken by Barka fans(!), it is spelled Barca because they do not officially have a ç in their alphabet.

So, it is pronounced "Bar-sa" no matter who you are.

This discussion is a bit ridiculous otherwise. No one pronounces team names the way locals do. Even I don't pronounce Chelsea the way people from London SW6 would. I say "Chel-see" as most Irish people would. English people notoriously can't pronounce their own language properly so Londoners would say something like "Cheause-say."

I think it's whatever flavour goes in terms of football talk. If you can understand what/who the person is talking about, even if you think things are pronounced differently, so be it. You are probably wrong about the pronunciation anyway, and that applies to us all.

Ol' Donie · 16-06-2017 11:02PM

The few times I've been to Highbury/The Emirates, I'm always super conscious of how me singing Arsenal in my Dublin accent stands out a mile in a chorus of Aaah-sen-ow.

Ol' Donie · 16-06-2017 11:05PM

And i really, really hate being in a pub in Dublin and hearing U-nai-tsed being chanted by a bunch of lads from f*ckin Cabra.

dxhound2005 · 16-06-2017 11:08PM

hullaballoo wrote: »

Afraid not.

Barca is not an oddity in any way because the correct way to spell it in Castilian, which is what most people think of as "Spanish" is Barça and pronounced, "bar-sa." In Catalan, which is the language spoken by Barka fans(!), it is spelled Barca because they do not officially have a ç in their alphabet.

So, it is pronounced "Bar-sa" no matter who you are.

This discussion is a bit ridiculous otherwise. No one pronounces team names the way locals do. Even I don't pronounce Chelsea the way people from London SW6 would. I say "Chel-see" as most Irish people would. English people notoriously can't pronounce their own language properly so Londoners would say something like "Cheause-say."

I think it's whatever flavour goes in terms of football talk. If you can understand what/who the person is talking about, even if you think things are pronounced differently, so be it. You are probably wrong about the pronunciation anyway, and that applies to us all.

Ç, ç (c-cedilla) is a Latin script letter, used in the Albanian, Azerbaijani, Manx, Portuguese, Tatar, Turkish, Turkmen, Kurdish and Zazaki alphabets. Romance languages that use this letter include Catalan, French, Friulian, Ligurian, Occitan, and Portuguese as a variant of the letter C. It is also occasionally used in Crimean Tatar. It is often retained in the spelling of loanwords from any of these languages in English, Dutch, Spanish, Basque and other Latin script spelled languages.

There is no c-cedilla in the Castilian alphabet, but a normal C and a separate "letter" ch. If someone came on the radio and pronounced Sevilla with the Villa sound as per Aston Villa, I suspect there would be complaints as well.

pc7 · 17-06-2017 01:06AM

Can we move on from linguistics please?

gormdubhgorm · 17-06-2017 02:17PM

Ol' Donie wrote: »

The few times I've been to Highbury/The Emirates, I'm always super conscious of how me singing Arsenal in my Dublin accent stands out a mile in a chorus of Aaah-sen-ow.

I remember years ago after a Dublin football match down the country.

Fellas in Dublin jersey's (One with a liverpool FC tattoo) started singing singing the Steven Gerrard song.
That would annoy me a bit as it was.

But they were singning with put on 'scouse' accents
'Steve Giiiraaaaade.....Giiiraaade'

:mad:

gormdubhgorm · 17-06-2017 02:19PM

I always wondered on how an Irish person should pronounce Tim Cahill and Gary Cahill.

Should it be the English f**ked up way of Kayyy-hill or should we continue with Kah-il ?

Ol' Donie · 17-06-2017 02:22PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I remember years ago after a Dublin football match down the country.

Fellas in Dublin jersey's (One with a liverpool FC tattoo) started singing singing the Steve Gerrard song.
That would annoy me a bit as it was.
But they were singning with put on 'scouse' accents
'Steve Giiiraaaaade.....Giiiraaade'

:mad:

Oh stop it. Just stop it, you'll ruin my afternoon.

Meanwhile, when this silly Lions circus over? Seems every time I hear OTB it's Warburton this or bleedin Gatland that.

They never give this much coverage to England Vs The Rest of the world XI nonsense in football. Why is this makey up rubbish any different?

Ol' Donie · 17-06-2017 02:27PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I always wondered on how an Irish person should pronounce Tim Cahill and Gary Cahill.

Should it be the English f**ked up way of Kayyy-hill or should we continue with Kah-il ?

Good question.

Similar deal with David Luiz.

Day-vid or Dav-id.

Day-vid Louise for me.

dxhound2005 · 17-06-2017 02:37PM

I always make a point of saying Day vid de Gee a for David de Gea. I heard some poncy types saying Da vid de Hay a but that is just wrong.

Tell me how · 17-06-2017 02:45PM

gormdubhgorm wrote:

But they were singning with put on 'scouse' accents 'Steve Giiiraaaaade.....Giiiraaade'

Hate that.

I'd be more concerned about them singing about Gerard at a GAA match

gormdubhgorm wrote:

I remember years ago after a Dublin football match down the country.

gormdubhgorm · 17-06-2017 02:59PM

Ol' Donie wrote: »

Meanwhile, when this silly Lions circus over? Seems every time I hear OTB it's Warburton this or bleedin Gatland that.

They never give this much coverage to England Vs The Rest of the world XI nonsense in football. Why is this makey up rubbish any different?

No I think it is on for a while yet.

I admit I would only be a causal rugby watcher.

But, how can they build up a competition where a mish-mash of players from 4 teams play the best team in the world.

What sort of hope does the mish-mash team have when they are not used to playing as team?

Then they play a few clubs and are expected to be ready?

Maybe I should be getting as excited about as 'Off the Ball'.

But, I just don't get it.

Also, it does not help that the name 'The Lions' evokes echoes of British imperialism for me.

How can I identify with that?

Arghus · 17-06-2017 11:19PM

We just have to put up with the Lions nonsense because there's fck all else going on.

Conservative · 18-06-2017 09:00AM

There's another 3 weeks of it to go lads.

I'd probably care more if the games weren't at bleedin 8 o clock in the morning!!

Jayesdiem · 18-06-2017 09:38AM

Listen to the interview with pro tennis player Sam Barry. He comes across as a good guy but I could hear joe give a sharp intake of breath when he admitted he used, caffeine to......I can barely write it.......ENHANCE HIS PERFORMANCE!!!! He should have done some research on his interviewers because I'll put my house on it that he probably drinks the odd protein shake too.

applehunter · 18-06-2017 02:50PM

We are still paying the price of Kilkenny's dominance of hurling for the last 20 years.

Tommy Walsh's accent....:pac:

gormdubhgorm · 20-06-2017 07:26PM

Lot's of sobbing sounds... on the airways

I thought:

Was it natural disaster?

Did someone die?

Another terrorist attack?

Turns out it was a clip played from a former lions coach/player he was emotional about giving his last team talk for the lions

Holy PC Joe is in his element....

Can you explain how there was that level of emotion then?

Beechwoodspark · 20-06-2017 07:43PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Lot's of sobbing sounds... on the airways

I thought:

Was it natural disaster?

Did someone die?

Another terrorist attack?

Turns out it was a clip played from a former lions coach/player he was emotional about giving his last team talk for the lions

Holy PC Joe is in his element....

Can you explain how there was that level of emotion then?

He also tried to turn the interview into an in depth discussion of apartheid at one stage.

jam83 · 20-06-2017 09:01PM

Slightly off that topic in a way but I've had my fill of hearing about those lions speeches. "This is your Everest boys" etc.
The rugby matches are enough entertainment every 4 years, it's intriguing to see if those players can gel as a Test level team.
But Jesus I don't need to hear about Jim telfers or Ian mcgeechans speeches every week, or hear about willy John mcbrides stories from another era every 4 years. It's been done to death at this stage.
I can't wait for Saturday morning but FFS I'm almost wishing the lions tour was over so the "legend" around those ****ing stories could be put away in the cupboard for another 4 years.

Tell me how · 20-06-2017 09:21PM

jam83 wrote:

Slightly off that topic in a way but I've had my fill of hearing about those lions speeches.

I really agree with this.

Love powerful, passionate speeches but these have gone too far where they are now staged, rather than captured. Saw film about the 2005 Lions and found the speeches by Woodward, O'Driscoll were far from the quality or presence of earlier ones. Alistair Campbell was in the background media "managing" everything. Looked so fake and the words sounded meaningless. You can't fake passion.

Would love a coach or captain now to stand and say first thing first, phones away and all cameras out, this is team only.

This approach though wouldn't tie in with the monetization of the Lions brand which has made so many lose interest in it.

Jayesdiem · 20-06-2017 09:40PM

The worst thing about all this Lions thing is that they no doubt have a camera crew following them around who are hoping upon hope that results go right so that they can replicate the 1997 film and so the resultant footage doesn't end up in HMVs bargain bin. It's a real gamble.

But with all those witty and hilariously funny players documenting their every hysterical step on twitter, instagram etc, how will the film crew be left with any useful content? They are are a real blast those Lions boys.

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