Ireland Team Talk/Gossip/Rumour Thread VIII - MOD NOTE POST #4781

Sangre · 08-06-2017 07:06PM

Did Paddy Jackson travel?

Dog Botherer · 08-06-2017 07:07PM

Sangre wrote: »

Did Paddy Jackson travel?

Not to the US. Meeting up with the squad in Japan.

shuffol · 08-06-2017 07:18PM

Bench looks fairly energetic, should be a comfy win, pack will dominate the set piece but a lot will depend on Carbery's ability to release those outside him.

08-06-2017 07:22PM

shuffol wrote: »

Bench looks fairly energetic, should be a comfy win, pack will dominate the set piece but a lot will depend on Carbery's ability to release those outside him.

USA have some key injuries also.

wp_rathead · 08-06-2017 07:27PM

thomond2006 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/IrishRugby/status/872872426568331265

Nice team but needs more twitter handles

molloyjh · 08-06-2017 07:33PM

Happy with that.

sydthebeat · 08-06-2017 07:46PM

James Ryan, some boyo.

Following in the footsteps of the great man himself.......

Michael Bent

08-06-2017 09:01PM

I'm loving the fact a guy can get capped without playing for his province. Seems like a real throwback. Hope he does well.

Otherwise, really looking forward to seeing Stockdale, he's a huge talent.

GrainneArd · 08-06-2017 10:20PM

Would have rathered zebo at fullback, conway and earls on the wings. There is no point in introducing too many new players. Nothing is learnt. So they probably will kick ass as they are very talented but talented is not what its about. We need solid players who provide given ball at given time. That is what international rugby is about. I can't honestly see any of of this backline, bar Earls and Ringrose even competing for the Autumn internationals. Stockdale has no experience, O'Halloran has been in camp far too long which proves he is useless to the Irish cause. We need to depend on players we know. The Irish team works off a hymn sheet and if we are to succeed in 2019 we need our core players

sydthebeat · 08-06-2017 10:29PM

GrainneArd wrote: »

Would have rathered zebo at fullback, conway and earls on the wings. There is no point in introducing too many new players. Nothing is learnt. So they probably will kick ass as they are very talented but talented is not what its about. We need solid players who provide given ball at given time. That is what international rugby is about. I can't honestly see any of of this backline, bar Earls and Ringrose even competing for the Autumn internationals. Stockdale has no experience, O'Halloran has been in camp far too long which proves he is useless to the Irish cause. We need to depend on players we know. The Irish team works off a hymn sheet and if we are to succeed in 2019 we need our core players

Riiiiggghhhhhttttttt........

Nah, I'm not gonna bother.

GrainneArd · 08-06-2017 10:58PM

sydthebeat wrote: »

Riiiiggghhhhhttttttt........

Nah, I'm not gonna bother.

It is the Irish argument. We need patterns, we need processes and we need players who understand said patterns and processes. Isn't that exactly what we see today? There is no skill, it is all process. And to achieve process you must beat that into your players. Process, process, process. It is not about the player. Ireland is not about the player. Look at what Robbie Henshaw has become, he is fantastic under Leo Cullen but useless under Schmidt/Gatland. Gatland/Schmidt they kill everything and call it a process

sydthebeat · 08-06-2017 11:03PM

You've obviously got an agenda so Im not going to bother challenging you on your issues.

damianmcr · 09-06-2017 12:16AM

No Treadwell :-(

09-06-2017 01:09AM

GrainneArd wrote: »

Would have rathered zebo at fullback, conway and earls on the wings. There is no point in introducing too many new players. Nothing is learnt. So they probably will kick ass as they are very talented but talented is not what its about. We need solid players who provide given ball at given time. That is what international rugby is about. I can't honestly see any of of this backline, bar Earls and Ringrose even competing for the Autumn internationals. Stockdale has no experience, O'Halloran has been in camp far too long which proves he is useless to the Irish cause. We need to depend on players we know. The Irish team works off a hymn sheet and if we are to succeed in 2019 we need our core players

GrainneArd wrote: »

It is the Irish argument. We need patterns, we need processes and we need players who understand said patterns and processes. Isn't that exactly what we see today? There is no skill, it is all process. And to achieve process you must beat that into your players. Process, process, process. It is not about the player. Ireland is not about the player. Look at what Robbie Henshaw has become, he is fantastic under Leo Cullen but useless under Schmidt/Gatland. Gatland/Schmidt they kill everything and call it a process

Seems like your arguing both sides of the debate.

wp_rathead · 09-06-2017 02:08AM

On a totally unrelated note, the ignore function on this website is brilliant

swiwi_ · 09-06-2017 05:28AM

molloyjh wrote: »

Happy with that.

Me too! These are the kind of games where TOH & LM need to star, the tour is a golden opportunity for TOH in particular. Look forward to seeing how Carberry and Stockdale go as well. Will be interesting to follow Ryan too, he was a standout for the U20s, but after being burnt a few times, the NZ selectors publicly stated they would no longer select directly out of the ITM cup, so picking a guy who has yet to feature for Leinster senior team could be a bit risky. I suppose the USA is less pressure than facing one of the 6N sides at home in November out for NZ blood.

Looking at the Lions performances to date, and you do think Ireland are lucky Ringrose is not down in NZ, he seems to have some creativity which the Lions could do with. Ireland's gain!

mfceiling · 09-06-2017 06:51AM

GrainneArd wrote: »

Would have rathered zebo at fullback, conway and earls on the wings. There is no point in introducing too many new players. Nothing is learnt. So they probably will kick ass as they are very talented but talented is not what its about. We need solid players who provide given ball at given time. That is what international rugby is about. I can't honestly see any of of this backline, bar Earls and Ringrose even competing for the Autumn internationals. Stockdale has no experience, O'Halloran has been in camp far too long which proves he is useless to the Irish cause. We need to depend on players we know. The Irish team works off a hymn sheet and if we are to succeed in 2019 we need our core players

How the hell do we get players we can rely on if we don't introduce them to international game time? Rugby is a highly attritional sport. 3 or 4 injuries to your core group and it's a serious threat to your team to be competitive. What then? Eh we have nobody because we didn't bother bringing them through. For fcuk sake.

molloyjh · 09-06-2017 08:24AM

swiwi_ wrote: »

molloyjh wrote: »

Happy with that.

Me too! These are the kind of games where TOH & LM need to star, the tour is a golden opportunity for TOH in particular. Look forward to seeing how Carberry and Stockdale go as well. Will be interesting to follow Ryan too, he was a standout for the U20s, but after being burnt a few times, the NZ selectors publicly stated they would no longer select directly out of the ITM cup, so picking a guy who has yet to feature for Leinster senior team could be a bit risky. I suppose the USA is less pressure than facing one of the 6N sides at home in November out for NZ blood.

Looking at the Lions performances to date, and you do think Ireland are lucky Ringrose is not down in NZ, he seems to have some creativity which the Lions could do with. Ireland's gain!

Yeah really looking forward to the game. If I had to choose between the Lions game and the Ireland one it would be the latter all day long. Worth noting that we've got ROG in with them forn this one so between the new players and the inclusion of additional coaches on the tour I wouldn't be expecting the most fluid of performances. Stockdale is the guy I'm most looking forward to seeing. Def think he could be a real asset for the next decade. Very curious to see how Ryan goes too.

swiwi_ · 09-06-2017 08:38AM

molloyjh wrote: »

Yeah really looking forward to the game. If I had to choose between the Lions game and the Ireland one it would be the latter all day long. Worth noting that we've got ROG in with them forn this one so between the new players and the inclusion of additional coaches on the tour I wouldn't be expecting the most fluid of performances. Stockdale is the guy I'm most looking forward to seeing. Def think he could be a real asset for the next decade. Very curious to see how Ryan goes too.

Ah now, I still think Lions vs Crusaders is a better rugby game than Ire vs USA. But then I'm biased, and so are you

09-06-2017 08:51AM

swiwi_ wrote: »

Me too! These are the kind of games where TOH & LM need to star, the tour is a golden opportunity for TOH in particular. Look forward to seeing how Carberry and Stockdale go as well. Will be interesting to follow Ryan too, he was a standout for the U20s, but after being burnt a few times, the NZ selectors publicly stated they would no longer select directly out of the ITM cup, so picking a guy who has yet to feature for Leinster senior team could be a bit risky. I suppose the USA is less pressure than facing one of the 6N sides at home in November out for NZ blood.

Looking at the Lions performances to date, and you do think Ireland are lucky Ringrose is not down in NZ, he seems to have some creativity which the Lions could do with. Ireland's gain!

Stockdale is far more interesting than TOH. The latter has been around squads for ages but he hasn't so much as made the bench for a serious match barring an injury crisis really. Schmidt obviously rates him to a point but not enough to play him in a 6N game for example. He won't have any sustained international career under Schmidt imo.

Stockdale on the other hand, is a good few years younger and is hugely talented. Sky is the limit for him if he can stay fit and break into the Ulster team, which has to be pointed out he really hasn't so far.

molloyjh · 09-06-2017 08:55AM

swiwi_ wrote: »

Ah now, I still think Lions vs Crusaders is a better rugby game than Ire vs USA. But then I'm biased, and so are you

It may well be a better game of rugby, but I still have little interest in it. My bias means that learning a bit about a few young Irish players is far more interesting than watching a Lions team play crap rugby and lose to a really good Crusaders team. I'm sure I'll still watch most of it, but I won't be setting my alarm to make sure I catch it all. If I'm up then I'll watch it. Whereas if the Ireland game was on at 8:30 I'd def make sure I was in front of the TV for kick off.

swiwi_ · 09-06-2017 09:19AM

molloyjh wrote: »

It may well be a better game of rugby, but I still have little interest in it. My bias means that learning a bit about a few young Irish players is far more interesting than watching a Lions team play crap rugby and lose to a really good Crusaders team. I'm sure I'll still watch most of it, but I won't be setting my alarm to make sure I catch it all. If I'm up then I'll watch it. Whereas if the Ireland game was on at 8:30 I'd def make sure I was in front of the TV for kick off.

A bit like the way I never miss NZ handing out a few new caps and some whip-arse to Italy, despite the match tending to be a bit dull due to its one-sided nature. I supppose you could say the same about the Crusaders match

Thelomen Toblackai · 09-06-2017 12:05PM

molloyjh wrote: »

It may well be a better game of rugby, but I still have little interest in it. My bias means that learning a bit about a few young Irish players is far more interesting than watching a Lions team play crap rugby and lose to a really good Crusaders team. I'm sure I'll still watch most of it, but I won't be setting my alarm to make sure I catch it all. If I'm up then I'll watch it. Whereas if the Ireland game was on at 8:30 I'd def make sure I was in front of the TV for kick off.

Second string Irish teams vs poor opposition are usually terrible though and we learn feck all from them because they are so disjointed and messy.

I remember the last tour on a lions year (USA too I think) had some of the most godawful rugby I think I've ever seen.

I find the Lions games much more exciting. Even if they're **** too.

09-06-2017 12:12PM

Thelomen Toblackai wrote: »

Second string Irish teams vs poor opposition are usually terrible though and we learn feck all from them because they are so disjointed and messy.

I remember the last tour on a lions year (USA too I think) had some of the most godawful rugby I think I've ever seen.

I find the Lions games much more exciting. Even if they're **** too.

Only thing I'd say about that tour is we we'd just come through Kidney's reign of terror and Schmidt hadn't started yet, so there was no head coach in place to put his stamp on things. The guys playing tomorrow have been in camp a while, few experienced heads in there, so I'm hopeful there'll be a cohesive performance.

DGRulz · 09-06-2017 12:18PM

Madelynn Glamorous Range wrote: »

Only thing I'd say about that tour is we we'd just come through Kidney's reign of terror and Schmidt hadn't started yet, so there was no head coach in place to put his stamp on things. The guys playing tomorrow have been in camp a while, few experienced heads in there, so I'm hopeful there'll be a cohesive performance.

Also the referee, by God, the referee.

sydthebeat · 09-06-2017 12:40PM

Thelomen Toblackai wrote: »

Second string Irish teams vs poor opposition are usually terrible though and we learn feck all from them because they are so disjointed and messy.

I remember the last tour on a lions year (USA too I think) had some of the most godawful rugby I think I've ever seen.

I find the Lions games much more exciting. Even if they're **** too.

These games are perfect for the likes of Marmion, TOH, Conan and Carbery to show that they can run the team in the manner joe wants.

theyre not organised for us to see pretty fijian style rugby... but for joe to develop the squad so players are attune with how he wants them to play.... so that when test games arrive they can fit in more seamlessly.

AbusesToilets · 09-06-2017 01:04PM

I'm excited to see us play Japan, always exciting to watch.

09-06-2017 02:03PM

molloyjh wrote: »

Yeah really looking forward to the game. If I had to choose between the Lions game and the Ireland one it would be the latter all day long. Worth noting that we've got ROG in with them forn this one so between the new players and the inclusion of additional coaches on the tour I wouldn't be expecting the most fluid of performances. Stockdale is the guy I'm most looking forward to seeing. Def think he could be a real asset for the next decade. Very curious to see how Ryan goes too.

I hope Carbery uses the opportunity to learn as much from ROG as he possibly can. Could be very useful to see a new perspective and get some kicking guidance.

FACECUTTR · 09-06-2017 02:27PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I hope Carbery uses the opportunity to learn as much from ROG as he possibly can. Could be very useful to see a new perspective and get some kicking guidance.

I was thinking it would have been prudent to have another 10 travel too to learn from ROG even if they didn't play. Byrne or Carthy would have benefited from just tagging along imho.

bilston · 09-06-2017 03:45PM

damianmcr wrote: »

No Treadwell :-(

Bit disappointed in that as well. But I'm sure he will get a chance in Japan.

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Ireland Team Talk/Gossip/Rumour Thread VIII - MOD NOTE POST #4781