London terror attack confirmed by Met Police

silverharp wrote: »

from the spectator blog

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/06/donald-trumps-tweets-sadiq-khan-might-unacceptable-theyre-not-futile/#

FTFY

Also not a surprising opinion piece from someone who was formerly literary editor of The American Conservative.

gitzy16v wrote: »

70's 80's 90's death toll from terrorism is about 1320 deaths.
2004-2017 death toll is a few shy of 700 deaths...
So 30 years versus 13 years the death toll is half...funny that, how stats work.

Why did you leave out 2001, 2002 ?
Also have you counted the number of Russians killed ?

Gamebred wrote: »

Without scare mongering or thinking too far ahead Ireland would be a perfect hub for these Jihadi's, virtually no police force of note in comparison to m15 counter terrorism units, and only 30 mins flight to the UK to network and carry out attacks.

Ehh don't worry it is not up to our police force. :rolleyes:
Anyone that thinks the Americans, with all their leading tech and web multinationals in this country, do not have members of their security and intelligence community in place here is slightly deluded.

Places like Clonskeagh have been on the radar of intelligence agencies for quiet a while now.
An al-qaeda fund raiser was based in Ireland over a decade ago.

Much like we rely on the RAF to respond to aerial threats I would bet we rely on foreign intelligence agencies to help keep people under tabs.

Of course the anti Brits and anti Yanks would have foaming at the mouth conniptions if this was ever made public.

Samaris wrote: »

I would be very surprised if the Gardai aren't actually fairly well on top of it all.

Yep they have had 1,000 arrests and have dedicated 20,000 man hours so far to it.
Well that is according to Garda figures I heard. :rolleyes:

Samaris wrote: »

I don't say they'll manage to stop a lone wolf attack because they are by their nature extremely hard to stop. But the Gardai do have a history with another terrorist group with similar tactics (albeit the ISIS tactics are even more decentralised and harder to stop) and have information conduits and intelligence connections with other countries from those days that have gradually morphed into focus on ISIS and their ilk.

And how many muslims are members of the Gardai ?
How easy is it to integrate a local into the muslim community or a mosque to keep tabs on people.
The PIRA/IRA were Irish, their supporters were Irish, not a group that totally isolated themselves from the native community.

Samaris wrote: »

I don't say that they'll succeed in stopping the first attack that's launched (and I think we'll probably get attacked sooner or later too), but I think they've got as good a shot as any other country that's not directly had one yet.

Yep you keep believing that.

Samaris wrote: »

There is something very chilling about those statements.

I mean, I don't disagree with them, and I can quite see why. Also, these people are, even under the most restrictive (USA) categorisation, traitors to their countries. They are actively fighting their countries with their country's enemies. And agreeing that if a citizen betrays their country, their country can repudiate them.

Still though, it's a bit chilling to hear Australia and America agreeing that the Australian fighters with ISIS are specific targets to be eliminated on the battlefield/ UK & British citizens same.

This is one time I do hope someone mistakes Irish for British and does us all a favour.
At least that numbnuts kahlid kelly got rid of himself.

Really Interested wrote: »

Khan uses very strong words to attack terror muppets, https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.romper.com/p/sadiq-khans-statement-about-islam-the-london-attack-is-so-important-62272/amp yet he will be attacked that he did not use "Radical Islam"

I'm happy for any one be it Trump or Khan or May in fact anyone to call out the terror bums but let's not get caught up with did they use buzz words.

Khan yeah lovely person altogether defender of Al Quada member!
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/05/londons-new-muslim-mayor-defended-al-qaeda-member

Peregrine wrote: »

You're quoting a poster who was thread-banned, banned and then sitebanned last night. :pac:

The Boards Trifecta

The Didsbury Mosque where the Manchester terrorist went has been exposed by Tommy Robinson, how can they be allowed to have these hate preachers at their Mosques?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rt4yEoZ88aU

ricero wrote: »

Got to say I use to think that Tommy was a racist knuckle dragger due to his previous links with EDL but the last few months i find him to be very intelligent, insightful and his work eye opening.

He has done some great work & the UK has started to listen
He exposed a guy who was stopped from going to Syria to fight for ISIS yesterday. The guy is living around the corner from a primary school. What stops the guy from getting a knife & entering the school

B_Wayne wrote: »

I've just watched the video, he behaved like a prat and proved absolutely nothing. That mosque wholeheartedly condemned the attack and have behaved fantastically in relation to this. They even treated Robinson with more respect than he deserves.

He also cites Abdur Raheem Green speaking at this mosque, I haven't seen any proof of it, I have found a video of him speaking at Manchester university though, so I guess that's a terrorist hotbed.

Abedi was also apparently banned from because he criticised an Imam who condemned ISIS, he hadn't attended that mosque in 4 years for that reason. So Help!!!, I'm not gonna rely on a football hooligan's harassment of people as proof of anything.

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/didsbury-mosque-leaders-admit-lot-13109310

Strange though that 16 men from within a 2 mile radius of the Mosque are either in prison because they wanted to join ISIS or are dead because they are dead

But you would believe the people who's book teaches them

There are several forms of lying to non-believers that are permitted under certain circumstances, the best known being taqiyya. These circumstances are typically those that advance the cause of Islam - in some cases by gaining the trust of non-believers in order to draw out their vulnerability and defeat them

Really Interested wrote: »

Internment is to lock people up without any trial. If a person is a extremist then charge him and convict him and jail him. Plenty of laws to allow that. If worried about juries follow Irish example.

The point I wanted to make was that people accused her of talking about interning *all Muslims but she didn't say that. He should have dedicated his column inches to the real fascists, the terrorists and their supporters. Instead he made despicable claims about a girl widely considered an ''idiot.'

Now, I wouldn't be confident in suggesting internment but what happens between the point where the person is charged, and the time when the trial comes up? Would they be free to go where they please?

Widdershins wrote: »

The point I wanted to make was that people accused her of talking about interning *all Muslims but she didn't say that. He should have dedicated his column inches to the real fascists, the terrorists and their supporters. Instead he made despicable claims about a girl widely considered an ''idiot.'

Now, I wouldn't be confident in suggesting internment but what happens between the point where the person is charged, and the time when the trial comes up? Would they be free to go where they please?

No, the point of internment is that it is against a large group of people and there is no trial first (and it's not guaranteed to be one after - at the stage a society gets to internment camps, the whole human rights thing is starting to slip down the scale). People are removed from the community and..well..interned until someone figures out what to do with them. Various of these people will be proven guilty in the end, various others will be proved innocent. It's a dangerous precedent - the Americans rounded up all the Japanese Americans in the country and interned them in WW2. The bitterness over that still lives on. And that's before we get near the groups that were interned and then exterminated. Overall, it's a serious step for a country to take against its own citizens.

Also, I think she was just an idiot too, but the whole internment thing has been bubbling away for a while and a lot of people don't agree with it.