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London terror attack confirmed by Met Police

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  • #2132
    neverever1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 864 ✭✭✭neverever1


    DeanAustin wrote: »
    You're having a laugh. These people are laying their lives down because they believe in their religion so much. They think it's worth it for the afterlife their religion promises.

    Look, I'm a long way from the "deport all Muslims or lock them up" school of thought but you're living in fantasyland if you think religion isn't playing a big part in this.

    It's not the root cause!


  • #2133
    DeanAustin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,885 ✭✭✭DeanAustin


    neverever1 wrote: »
    It's not the root cause!

    You think it's the bombing campaign in the ME by the West?


  • #2134
    Help!!!!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,965 ✭✭✭Help!!!!


    neverever1 wrote: »
    No.

    Now your just trolling. No one can be that stupid


  • #2135
    neverever1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 864 ✭✭✭neverever1


    Help!!!! wrote: »
    OK do you know many Muslims??
    Have you seen Muslims during Ramadan fasting while its scorching outside, not being able to drink water, not being able to swallow their spit all the while having to work.
    I cant see many ( if any ) Irish Catholics doing it

    What are you on about?


  • #2136
    Roger Hassenforder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,555 ✭✭✭Roger Hassenforder


    neverever1 wrote: »
    Religion is used but it's not the root cause.
    neverever1 wrote: »
    :D Seriously? People actually believe that?
    Thousand upon thousand of dead Muslims in the Middle East has nothing to with Isis and groups like it growing so big, it's all because of a book.
    I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

    I dont know at this stage whether you're serious or what.


    one question:
    Why did ISIS kill the Yazidis?


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  • #2137
    neverever1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 864 ✭✭✭neverever1


    DeanAustin wrote: »
    You think it's the bombing campaign in the ME by the West?

    People better not complain about me repeating myself.


  • #2138
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,498 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    neverever1 wrote: »
    I'll answer again. These guys are radicalised idiots. They've barely set foot in these countries.

    So Muslims from Europe or countries unaffected by bombing (Morocco) are somehow inspired to fight with ISIS and are religiously radicalised and shout Allahu Akbar when attacking people but it's nothing to do with religion. No sir, nothing. All the Brits fault somehow.


  • #2139
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    neverever1 wrote: »
    Religion is used but it's not the root cause.

    They say theyre doing it for religion. I think they know better than you why they are doing it. Dignifying animals, always


  • #2140
    Help!!!!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,965 ✭✭✭Help!!!!


    neverever1 wrote: »
    What are you on about?

    I'm giving you an example of how much their religion means to them. Terrorists are prepared to blow themselves up so they can get their virgins in the afterlife while dining with Mohammed


  • #2141
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    neverever1 wrote: »
    It's not the root cause!

    They said theyre doing it for religion. They know why theyre doing it, not you.


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  • #2142
    neverever1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 864 ✭✭✭neverever1


    Help!!!! wrote: »
    Now your just trolling. No one can be that stupid

    I could accuse you of trolling! You can't radicalise people using a stupid book! Without the bombing campaigns these clerics would have nothing.


  • #2143
    Roger Hassenforder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,555 ✭✭✭Roger Hassenforder


    neverever1 wrote: »
    I could accuse you of trolling! You can't radicalise people using a stupid book! Without the bombing campaigns these clerics would have nothing.

    Why did ISIS kill the Yazidis?


  • #2144
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    So Muslims from Europe or countries unaffected by bombing (Morocco) are somehow inspired to fight with ISIS and are religiously radicalised and shout Allahu Akbar when attacking people but it's nothing to do with religion. No sir, nothing. All the Brits fault somehow.
    To make it even more ridiculous some of the attacks are occurring in countries with no ties to bombings in the middle east such as Sweden.


  • #2145
    neverever1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 864 ✭✭✭neverever1


    Roger Hassenforder wrote: »
    I dont know at this stage whether you're serious or what.


    one question:
    Why did ISIS kill the Yazidis?

    Maybe because they're a crazy bunch of murdering bastards? This doesn't change the fact that they have so much support and so many followers because of Middle Eastern countries being flattened for a century. How can you continue to ignore this?


  • #2146
    gitzy16v
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,093 ✭✭✭gitzy16v


    FFS ISIS themselves said if the bombing stopped tomorrow they would continue with the attacks because the bombing in the ME is not what drives them!!!
    Their need to create an Islamic Caliphate is their motivation.


  • #2147
    Help!!!!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,965 ✭✭✭Help!!!!


    neverever1 wrote: »
    I could accuse you of trolling! You can't radicalise people using a stupid book! Without the bombing campaigns these clerics would have nothing.

    Do you not realise that in the Quran it says to kill the infidel??


  • #2148
    enfant terrible
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,737 ✭✭✭enfant terrible


    Help!!!! wrote: »
    Crying Allahu Akbar while they go about killing people should really be giving you a hint;)

    Leave him alone he's confused


  • #2149
    neverever1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 864 ✭✭✭neverever1


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    So Muslims from Europe or countries unaffected by bombing (Morocco) are somehow inspired to fight with ISIS and are religiously radicalised and shout Allahu Akbar when attacking people but it's nothing to do with religion. No sir, nothing. All the Brits fault somehow.

    It's because of 'their people' being killed in their thousands, this is the root cause.

    I've explained the reasons over and over. Can someone actually tell me how they think that the decades of bombing campaigns by America/Britain have nothing to do with this and it's all about a book.


  • #2150
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    neverever1 wrote: »
    Maybe because they're a crazy bunch of murdering bastards? This doesn't change the fact that they have so much support and so many followers because of Middle Eastern countries being flattened for a century. How can you continue to ignore this?

    And why do they have support from many in several muslim majority countries which arent being bombed such as Morocco? If its simply the atrocities occurring in ME which are driving support, then why arent hindus in the himalayas as outraged as moroccan muslims and support ISIS too? And why are western countries not partaking in bombings still attacked?

    The common denominator here is Islamic teachings


  • #2151
    Help!!!!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,965 ✭✭✭Help!!!!


    neverever1 wrote: »
    It's because of 'their people' being killed in their thousands, this is the root cause.

    I've explained the reasons over and over. Can someone actually tell me how they think that the decades of bombing campaigns by America/Britain have nothing to do with this and it's all about a book.

    Hows it their people if they come from the UK?


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  • #2152
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,498 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    neverever1 wrote: »
    It's because of 'their people' being killed in their thousands, this is the root cause.

    I've explained the reasons over and over. Can someone actually tell me how they think that the decades of bombing campaigns by America/Britain have nothing to do with this and it's all about a book.

    There are more of "their people" being killed by ISIS than anyone else. Why isnt this motivating them? (Hint: it's to do with religion).


  • #2153
    neverever1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 864 ✭✭✭neverever1


    wakka12 wrote: »
    And why do they have support from many in several muslim majority countries which arent being bombed such as Morocco? If its simply the atrocities occurring in ME which are driving support, then why arent hindus in the himalayas as outraged as moroccan muslims and support ISIS too? And why are western countries not partaking in bombings still attacked?

    The common denominator here is Islamic teachings

    I've explained all that numerous times.


  • #2154
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    neverever1 wrote: »
    It's because of 'their people' being killed in their thousands, this is the root cause.

    I've explained the reasons over and over. Can someone actually tell me how they think that the decades of bombing campaigns by America/Britain have nothing to do with this and it's all about a book.

    Moroccans consider people in Syria their people?


  • #2155
    enfant terrible
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,737 ✭✭✭enfant terrible


    neverever1 wrote: »
    It's because of 'their people' being killed in their thousands, this is the root cause.

    I've explained the reasons over and over. Can someone actually tell me how they think that the decades of bombing campaigns by America/Britain have nothing to do with this and it's all about a book.

    Have a look at a few history books and see what people will do because of religious books.

    Start with the Crusades.


  • #2156
    neverever1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 864 ✭✭✭neverever1


    Help!!!! wrote: »
    Hows it their people if they come from the UK?

    They are Muslims. Why do people continue to ask the same questions over and over?


  • #2157
    jmayo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,224 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Exactly my point!

    Yet their are people on here claiming these attacks are the fault of ALL Muslims.

    No one says it is all muslims, well apart from those making excuses and blaming the west.

    But there are issues with muslim communities throughout the world, and most particularly when they start growing above a small number.
    Muslims are removing themselves from the secular societies in which they exist more and more over the last number of years.

    There are more calls for special treatment ala calls for sharia law, schooling, segregation of sexes, etc.
    Dr ali selim did us all a favour when he told us what he envisages for the future here in Ireland.
    Only an arrogant willful fool will ignore that prescient warning.

    They might be only a tiny percentage of actual jihadists in muslim communities, but they don't operate in a vacuum and there is often tacit support for their goals.
    See the protests concerning cartoons about the prophet.

    The big issue in my opinion is wahhabism and the spread of an ultra right wing version of islam, all being done with the financial clout of the gulf states and Saudi Arabia.
    What is worse is that western states are turning a blind eye because of that financial clout.

    One thing that sickens me is the continous refrain from USA and it allies lambasting Iran, Syria, etc for state sponsored terror when the whole time the greatest threat is from the likes of Saudi, Qatar and it is being ignored.

    People will say not all muslims are terrorists so lets let in these "refugees".
    Problem with that is even if only 0.5% are jihadists look at the carnage they can create.
    Another problem is the background, lack of education, lack of secular ideals and backward mindset of some of the new arrivals.
    And now imagine what their kids are going to be like, and imagine what a sizable muslim population primarily made up of guys with such backward mindsets will be like in say 30 years time.

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • #2158
    gitzy16v
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,093 ✭✭✭gitzy16v


    neverever1 wrote: »
    I've explained all that numerous times.

    But your explanation is BS.


  • #2159
    neverever1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 864 ✭✭✭neverever1


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    There are more of "their people" being killed by ISIS than anyone else. Why isnt this motivating them? (Hint: it's to do with religion).

    Isis didn't exist until long after the bombing campaigns. I.E. the bombing campaigns are the root cause.


  • #2160
    neverever1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 864 ✭✭✭neverever1


    enfant terrible wrote: »
    Have a look at a few history books and see what people will do because of religious books.

    Start with the Crusades.

    So is no one going to tell me why they think the bombing campaigns have nothing to do with this?


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  • #2161
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    neverever1 wrote: »
    It's because of 'their people' being killed in their thousands, this is the root cause.

    I've explained the reasons over and over. Can someone actually tell me how they think that the decades of bombing campaigns by America/Britain have nothing to do with this and it's all about a book.

    ISIS say theyre doing for religious reasons. Their soldiers shout this for allah before carrying out attacks
    Yet you continue to believe you know better why these people are carrying out atrocities . How do you know more than them about their own actions?


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