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Woman killed by two bull mastiffs in Galway

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  • #152
    PucaMama
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    bilbot79 wrote: »
    PucaMama wrote: »
    Which is a weird thought as I've just been comparing them to jack russells

    Quality debating
    It's not a debate it's a fact I was just comparing them to jack russells. It's a fact. No debate.


  • #153
    PucaMama
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,129 ✭✭✭PucaMama


    bilbot79 wrote: »
    PucaMama wrote: »
    Which is a weird thought as I've just been comparing them to jack russells

    Quality debating
    It's not a debate it's a fact I was just comparing them to jack russells. It's a fact. No debate.


  • #154
    MyStubbleItches
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,571 ✭✭✭MyStubbleItches


    PucaMama wrote: »
    Engage in debate? Like the way you told someone else they just shouldn't post?

    Pick and choose all you want. It doesn't make me look any better. It does, however, make you look foolish and does your arguments no favours no matter how right it wrong they are.


  • #155
    volchitsa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,016 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    notjustsweet wrote: »
    Do you know a lab is almost twice the weight of a pitbull?
    When a pitbull gets into a fight if you break their concentration its over. When a lab starts fighting they don't stop until they are done.
    I'd rather break up 2 pitbulls fighting than 2 labs any day!.

    I don't know that I'd be keen on getting in between two dogs of any breed fighting, but just in terms of jaw strength, even a regular breed is shockingly strong. Our 25kg sheepdog breed can really hurt if she's playing and she grabs her Kong toy in a way that traps your fingers inside it. She could probably break your fingers, only she lets go as soon as you jump!

    She also got a pigeon one day, and I just couldn't get her jaws open.
    It took me holding her and O/H using all his force to prise open her jaws to rescue the bird - and the bird survived, so she wasn't even biting down, just not wanting to give up her catch!
    (Neither of us thought of the finger up the bum solution!)

    I don't know how you'd open the jaws of one of those molosses. Weight is important, sure, but just the way they're made, I'd say the strength there is a different level again.


  • #156
    [Deleted User]
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    peasant wrote: »
    eat more steak...eradicate those killer animals from the planet !


    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/cows-officially-the-most-deadly-large-animals-in-britain-a6727266.html



    The point of this post...unless we get the sensationalism, irrational fear and plain ignorance out of the "dangerous dog" discussion, we will never come to a satisfactory solution of the problem.

    Fact: Every dog has the potential to bite...every big(ger) dog has the potential to kill.
    Fact: Until we educate people how to raise and keep dogs responsibly accidents like this will continue to happen.
    Fact: Having recognised fact no 1...every accident/fatality is always the owners fault

    Fact: no matter how much we ascribe human characteristics to dogs such as loving, kind, caring, loyal etc. they remain dogs, and always always liable to bite. The variable is the damage they can inflict , that is in proportion to their size.


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  • #157
    clairewithani
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,270 ✭✭✭clairewithani


    Diabhal Beag wrote: »
    A lot could come out of this story. That's all I can say knowing the parties. Really awful and avoidable situation.

    Interesting


  • #158
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,187 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    PucaMama wrote: »
    Are you actually serious are you aware of how small pugs are. Wow they might have big shoulder muscles to hold you with. Ok so your a "veteran of an attack". Bit dramatic but that's grand. You are now biased. You don't like dogs. Just say so. Just because you know nothing about dogs doesn't mean no one has a clue.

    Sorry to say it, but you are typical of a dog lover who does not appreciate the fear some have around dogs.

    I do not dislike dogs, some of them look lovely in photos. I am fkn terrified of them in the flesh though. Some people hate spiders and mice, and we all know they won't kill you either in this country anyway.

    I don't think I have to be a vet or an expert on every breed of dog to be comfortable around them. They all look the same to me, DANGEROUS, KEEP AWAY! lol. Just me I know.

    Try to see it from the other side now and then, and maybe we can all live in peace and harmony.


  • #159
    PucaMama
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,129 ✭✭✭PucaMama


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    PucaMama wrote: »
    Are you actually serious are you aware of how small pugs are. Wow they might have big shoulder muscles to hold you with. Ok so your a "veteran of an attack". Bit dramatic but that's grand. You are now biased. You don't like dogs. Just say so. Just because you know nothing about dogs doesn't mean no one has a clue.

    Sorry to say it, but you are typical of a dog lover who does not appreciate the fear some have around dogs.

    I do not dislike dogs, some of them look lovely in photos. I am fkn terrified of them in the flesh though. Some people hate spiders and mice, and we all know they won't kill you either in this country anyway.

    I don't think I have to be a vet or an expert on every breed of dog to be comfortable around them. They all look the same to me, DANGEROUS, KEEP AWAY! lol. Just me I know.

    Try to see it from the other side now and then, and maybe we can all live in peace and harmony.
    And if you read what I posted I said if you don't like dogs just say so. Your not forced to like them. Your fear doesn't make them all bad tho.


  • #160
    McCrack
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Fact: no matter how much we ascribe human characteristics to dogs such as loving, kind, caring, loyal etc. they remain dogs, and always always liable to bite. The variable is the damage they can inflict , that is in proportion to their size.

    If any dog is properly socialised, trained and cared for it almost certainly will not behave with any aggression unless of course its provoked.

    People forget that its not the particular dog or breed that's responsible for aggression, its the way the animal was reared. Typically they have been abused and/or trained to fight and of couse lack socialisation


  • #161
    Spanish Eyes
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    PucaMama wrote: »
    And if you read what I posted I said if you don't like dogs just say so. Your not forced to like them. Your fear doesn't make them all bad tho.

    No need to get so exercised about it all. Relax.

    I fear dogs. Therefore how can I like them. Please analyse and explain that to me.

    I cannot see any dog as my best friend. They are out to kill me. That is what I think every time I see them approach me. But there we are.

    I bet I am not alone thinking that either.

    I am honest enough to say it out loud.


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  • #162
    STB.
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    lazybones32 wrote: »
    If the woman was savaged by 2 wild dogs it would be different. There is a human owner responsible for having 2 dogs in a residence in this case. The owner is responsible for what their pet's do.

    Bullmastiffs!

    They are not pets. They are a gamekeepers dog and highly unpredictable. There are countless stories of them attacking their loving owners, children, those not strong enough to control them.

    Most certainly not a family pet. I hate this nonsense that comes from dog owners who believe that their bullmastiff etc wouldnt do anything.

    Anyone who believes that a dog that has extremely strong jaws, is built of pure muscle and has a breeding history associated with security/protection is only fooling themselves believing its a pet.


  • #163
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,775 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    When I was a child, my mother was bringing in the cows to be milked, she took the dog with her as he was a great cattle dog.
    The dog was over the field rounding up the cows, but a cow near the gate attacked my mother, she had her on the ground and was pucking her, she called for the dog, which came and got the cow away from her.
    The dog was a collie, my mother maintained the dog saved her life.


  • #164
    PucaMama
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    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    PucaMama wrote: »
    And if you read what I posted I said if you don't like dogs just say so. Your not forced to like them. Your fear doesn't make them all bad tho.

    No need to get so exercised about it all. Relax.

    I fear dogs. Therefore how can I like them. Please analyse and explain that to me.

    I cannot see any dog as my best friend. They are out to kill me. That is what I think every time I see them approach me. But there we are.

    I bet I am not alone thinking that either.

    I am honest enough to say it out loud.
    Where are you getting that I want you to like them? I'm not bothered who does or doesn't like dogs. Im not the one who needs to relax here.


  • #165
    mel123
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    RustyNut wrote: »
    Just dogs.

    Horrible irresponsible owner.

    People assume these dogs are all being bred to fight or are viscous. I know a woman who had one, family pet so to speak, lived in the country on land, dog perfectly treated, one day the dog just turned on her and mangled her arm. She was lucky she got out alive and was able to ring the Gardai to come (needless to say they shot the dog).


  • #166
    Baron Kurtz
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    Where was Ramsey in all of this?


  • #167
    Ultimate Seduction
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    I didn't read the thread, but I hope those dogs weren't "disposed " of.

    It's like humans, Its in the breading. Nice people raise nice kids. Stupid people raise stupid people.


  • #168
    clairewithani
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,270 ✭✭✭clairewithani


    Ultimate Seduction wrote: »
    I didn't read the thread, but I hope those dogs weren't "disposed " of.

    It's like humans, Its in the breading. Nice people raise nice kids. Stupid people raise stupid people.

    A woman was torn to pieces by dogs and you hope they weren't disposed of? You hope they are left alive for round two or something?


  • #169
    njs030
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    clairewithani wrote: »
    A woman was torn to pieces by dogs and you hope they weren't disposed of? You hope they are left alive for round two or something?

    Perhaps the poster would like to wait to see what happened before hoping animals lose their life.

    Where did "torn to pieces" come from?


  • #170
    Tazzimus
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    STB. wrote: »
    Anyone who believes that a dog that has extremely strong jaws, is built of pure muscle and has a breeding history associated with security/protection is only fooling themselves believing its a pet.

    So the Doberman we had when I was younger - ex security dog that was fully attack trained and near dead when we rescued it from a shelter due to the previous owner massively mis-treating him - wasn't a pet? Despite being like a babysitter for me he kept such a close eye on me, saved me from a Jack Russell attacking me when I was small, followed me everywhere, never snapped or bit at any of us.

    Yep, that's definitely not loyal pet behaviour.


  • #171
    Ultimate Seduction
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,463 ✭✭✭Ultimate Seduction


    clairewithani wrote:
    A woman was torn to pieces by dogs and you hope they weren't disposed of? You hope they are left alive for round two or something?


    No, but I hope the dogs don't have to die aswell! Why should they? A dog is as smart as it's owner.

    Either the dog was badly trained or badly teased.

    Humans with conscience and understanding don't get the death sentience, why should a dog?

    I spend my every min teaching my daughter how to treat our dog, not the other way around

    RIP


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  • #172
    Ultimate Seduction
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    clairewithani wrote:
    A woman was torn to pieces by dogs and you hope they weren't disposed of? You hope they are left alive for round two or something?


    No, but I hope the dogs don't have to die aswell! Why should they? A dog is as smart as it's owner.

    Either the dog was badly trained or badly teased.

    Humans with conscience and understanding don't get the death sentience, why should a dog?

    I spend my every min teaching my daughter how to treat our dog, not the other way around

    RIP


  • #173
    clairewithani
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,270 ✭✭✭clairewithani


    notjustsweet wrote: »
    Perhaps the poster would like to wait to see what happened before hoping animals lose their life.

    Where did "torn to pieces" come from?

    Well the victim died. I presume it was not from just one bite on the arse. A woman lost her life, I presume those animals fate is pretty much sealed. It may not be their faults but I would think those dogs will pay the cost.


  • #174
    clairewithani
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,270 ✭✭✭clairewithani


    Ultimate Seduction wrote: »
    No, but I hope the dogs don't have to die aswell! Why should they? A dog is as smart as it's owner.

    Either the dog was badly trained or badly teased.

    Humans with conscience and understanding don't get the death sentience, why should a dog?

    I spend my every min teaching my daughter how to treat our dog, not the other way around

    RIP

    If the dog was a defendant in court he would be acquitted with your argument. I don't think that is what happens in real life. I know of two dogs destroyed after biting incidents. Neither of them even close to the horror of this one.


  • #175
    fraxinus1
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    Ultimate Seduction wrote: »
    I didn't read the thread, but I hope those dogs weren't "disposed " of.

    It's like humans, Its in the breading. Nice people raise nice kids. Stupid people raise stupid people.

    Two savage beasts with a taste for human blood should be allowed live? I hope they were destroyed immediately. And their owners are found guilty of manslaughter.


  • #176
    deco nate
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    D3V!L wrote: »
    So are golden labs, they're responsible for more attacks on family members than any other dogs. Strangely they don't get any bad press.

    I have an Am-staff cross and he's the most pleasant dog you could come across.

    Yea, but not the same muscle mass, how hard to stop a dog?


  • #177
    bilbot79
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    Ultimate Seduction wrote: »
    No, but I hope the dogs don't have to die aswell! Why should they? A dog is as smart as it's owner.

    Either the dog was badly trained or badly teased.

    Humans with conscience and understanding don't get the death sentience, why should a dog?

    I spend my every min teaching my daughter how to treat our dog, not the other way around

    RIP

    Dogs don't have rights in law, humans do.


  • #178
    Ultimate Seduction
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    fraxinus1 wrote:
    Two savage beasts with a taste for human blood should be allowed live? I hope they were destroyed immediately. And their owners are found guilty of manslaughter.


    A taste for human blood? That's hysterics .My dogs somehow find cuts on my hands or whatever and they lick the blood to make me better.


  • #179
    njs030
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    Ultimate Seduction wrote: »
    No, but I hope the dogs don't have to die aswell! Why should they? A dog is as smart as it's owner.

    Either the dog was badly trained or badly teased.

    Humans with conscience and understanding don't get the death sentience, why should a dog?

    I spend my every min teaching my daughter how to treat our dog, not the other way around

    RIP
    It seems the dogs were shot at the time to try and save her but it was too late.


  • #180
    Arghus
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    RobertKK wrote: »
    When I was a child, my mother was bringing in the cows to be milked, she took the dog with her as he was a great cattle dog.
    The dog was over the field rounding up the cows, but a cow near the gate attacked my mother, she had her on the ground and was pucking her, she called for the dog, which came and got the cow away from her.
    The dog was a collie, my mother maintained the dog saved her life.

    Ah yes. But the real question is - what breed of cow was it?


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  • #181
    diomed
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    Ultimate Seduction wrote: »
    A taste for human blood? That's hysterics .My dogs somehow find cuts on my hands or whatever and they lick the blood to make me better.
    Two dogs killed a woman.
    They are different from your dogs.
    Because your dogs are nice you think the other dogs should be excused killing?


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