Woman killed by two bull mastiffs in Galway

NIMAN · 04-06-2017 11:45PM

Just did a quick UK search for dangerous dogs, seems the 'usual suspects' have been killing people (including their owners) practically every month in the UK.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/dangerous-dogs

I read through a lot of the stories, and no labs or jack russells mentioned.

PucaMama · 04-06-2017 11:48PM

NIMAN wrote: »

Just did a quick UK search for dangerous dogs, seems the 'usual suspects' have been killing people (including their owners) practically every month in the UK.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/dangerous-dogs

I read through a lot of the stories, and no labs or jack russells mentioned.

Labs don't make for good headines however I distinctly remember a case of a new born being killed by jack russells. I love the JRT but they can be a danger.

steddyeddy · 04-06-2017 11:48PM

RustyNut wrote: »

I think that it shows that its the owners breeding rather than the dog's breed that counts.

Ah right so generally lab owners are rough sorts. Expensive breeds owned by rough sorts.

PucaMama · 04-06-2017 11:49PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

RustyNut wrote: »

I think that it shows that its the owners breeding rather than the dog's breed that counts.

Ah right so generally lab owners are rough sorts. Expensive breeds owned by rough sorts.

Labs are hardly expensive

Beyondgone · 04-06-2017 11:49PM

I've a pit bull. When we have visitors he slinks off into the utility room and stays there till they leave. He'd lick them to death if he was let, but he knows people see him and think "killer dog!". He's the most laid back, nicest animal I've ever known. He'd almost speak to you, and usually all he'd say would be "Any Biscuits going?"

NIMAN · 04-06-2017 11:50PM

PucaMama wrote: »

Labs don't make for good headines however I distinctly remember a case of a new born being killed by jack russells. I love the JRT but they can be a danger.

If a Lab or JAck Russell kills a child, it will make headlines.

There is no denying that the majority of human deaths at the hands of dogs are from a handful of breeds, whether you want to deflect the facts or not.

Spanish Eyes · 04-06-2017 11:51PM

I am afraid of dogs. All dogs..... I was attacked and bitten and turned over when I was a kid.

Anyway, what dogs are placid and will never attack anyone ever does anyone know?

Thanks.

PucaMama · 04-06-2017 11:51PM

NIMAN wrote: »

PucaMama wrote: »

Labs don't make for good headines however I distinctly remember a case of a new born being killed by jack russells. I love the JRT but they can be a danger.

If a Lab or JAck Russell kills a child, it will make headlines.

There is no denying that the majority of human deaths at the hands of dogs are from a handful of breeds, whether you want to deflect the facts or not.

But it did happen

Allinall · 04-06-2017 11:51PM

Tigger wrote: »

Yeah well I recently had to pick up my muzzeled bull terrier cos some clown's jack Russel was biting her
If I was a dick I'd have kicked it but I like dogs so I didn't
The owner is lucky that her uncontrollable jacknrussel didn't meet me walking my lab cos he'd have eaten it

Maybe over aggressive dogs just mirror their owners.

PucaMama · 04-06-2017 11:51PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

I am afraid of dogs. All dogs..... I was attacked and bitten and turned over when I was a kid.

Anyway, what dogs are placid and will never attack anyone ever does anyone know?

Thanks.

Pugs, I have one

steddyeddy · 04-06-2017 11:51PM

NIMAN wrote: »

What makes people pick a potentially dangerous dog, be it an alsation, pit bull, mastiff etc, as a pet?

Why not another breed, why specifically one that has a bad reputation and history?

Danger's not the only problem with these dogs. The larger breeds often suffer from health problems such as hip displasia.

steddyeddy · 04-06-2017 11:52PM

PucaMama wrote: »

Labs are hardly expensive

The point is the rough owner theory doesn't hold water.

NIMAN · 04-06-2017 11:53PM

PucaMama wrote: »

But it did happen

Im not denying it didn't.

Can a poodle kill a child? Yes, of course it could.
Can a jack russell? Yes of course it could.

But the numbers are tiny in percentage terms.

Do pit bulls, mastiffs etc kill humans ? Yes they do, and the % of human deaths attributed to these breeds compared to poodles, jack russells and labs is overwhelming.

If a jack russell attacked me now, I'm more than likely survive and be able to overpower it. I might have a lot of bites and scratches, but I would feel I would win.
If a pit bull attacked me or a mastiff, there is a good chance I will have life changing injuries, thats if I am lucky enough to survive.

Your argument doesn't hold water.

wakka12 · 04-06-2017 11:54PM

D3V!L wrote: »

So are golden labs, they're responsible for more attacks on family members than any other dogs. Strangely they don't get any bad press.

I have an Am-staff cross and he's the most pleasant dog you could come across.

Its not that the breeds are more inheritently violent than any other. its that theyre so huge and so ridiculously strong and muscular that when they are violent dogs they do so much more damage than other breeds, thats why you hear about them in stories such as the one above. And not about the vicious larboards or jack russels

RustyNut · 04-06-2017 11:56PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

Ah right so generally lab owners are rough sorts. Expensive breeds owned by rough sorts.

No. Generally labs don't bite, it's only a tiny minority that do, much the same as any breed. I don't think you have to be a "rough sort" to treat a dog badly either, quite the generalisation there.

Spanish Eyes · 04-06-2017 11:56PM

PucaMama wrote: »

Pugs, I have one

They look cute for sure and are known for being docile.

But I don't believe any dog is incapable of attacking.

Sorry not getting at you or the pug either.

I remain to be convinced. Owners always think THEIR dogs are angels.

Can you guarantee that your pug will never attack?

Doesn't matter. Dogs are not human. And after being attacked myself I will never trust any dog ever again.

04-06-2017 11:56PM

bilbot79 wrote: »

In France they are classed as an attack dog while a German shepherd is classed as a guard dog.

They are definitely bought for their tough image too I think. I only ever see the aggressive breeds with aggressive looking people funny enough. Poor woman. What a horrible way to go.

There is a certain type of person that owns them...lets call a spade a spade. A certain type of woman carries the Chihuahua in her handbag...same goes for the pitbull, an accessory of sorts.

njs030 · 04-06-2017 11:57PM

SeamusG97 wrote: »

Ahh C'on now. Tell me of anybody who was mauled to death by a Cocker Spaniel. I've seen joke warning signs in souvenir shops in France that say: ' "Cocker Je Monte ma Garde " as a joke. "Cocker on Guard" as if it was a deterrent. No I don't think a cocker spaniel is a threat to anyone. Biggest threat is that it would **** on somewhere you would like to walk.

People love to twist and turn on these threads.

You made a very dramatic statement about "how could anyone get an aggressive dog blah blah blah" when you actually own 2 dogs which are the third most aggressive in this country.
They are more likely to bite and cause harm than any dog on the RB list.

That was the question you asked, not about fatalities but about aggression.

PucaMama · 04-06-2017 11:57PM

NIMAN wrote: »

Im not denying it didn't.

Can a poodle kill a child? Yes, of course it could.
Can a jack russell? Yes of course it could.

But the numbers are tiny in percentage terms.

Do pit bulls, mastiffs etc kill humans ? Yes they do, and the % of human deaths attributed to these breeds compared to poodles, jack russells and labs is overwhelming.

Your argument doesn't hold water.

My argument is that it did happen, and it did so that's that.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2237532/Pet-Jack-Russell-killed-day-old-boy-escaped-stair-gate-attack-child.html

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12538545.Warning_as_dog_kills_three_week_baby/

bilbot79 · 04-06-2017 11:59PM

PucaMama wrote: »

Labs don't make for good headines however I distinctly remember a case of a new born being killed by jack russells. I love the JRT but they can be a danger.

I'm starting to think if a pit bull launched a chemical weapons attack on its own kind you would still compare it to labradors.

PucaMama · 05-06-2017 12:00AM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

They look cute for sure and are known for being docile.

But I don't believe any dog is incapable of attacking.

Sorry not getting at you or the pug either.

I remain to be convinced. Owners always think THEIR dogs are angels.

Can you guarantee that your pug will never attack?

Doesn't matter. Dogs are not human. And after being attacked myself I will never trust any dog ever again.

Ah this old nonsense, ask a question then without thinking jump in with what you think is the correct answer.

Why will my pug not bite anyone? Because he can just about chew his own food. Look at the jaw structure.

Tazzimus · 05-06-2017 12:01AM

There's no such thing as dangerous breeds, or at least there shouldn't be.
Dangerous owners yes, idiots that either train their dogs to fight or just raise them with no training or manners to interact with other dogs/people.

Of course a bigger dog will do more damage if it attacks, they're bigger.

Anyone who thinks it's the dogs and not the owners that are the problem are idiots, plain and simple. Or they just don't like dogs.

PucaMama · 05-06-2017 12:01AM

bilbot79 wrote: »

I'm starting to think if a pit bull launched a chemical weapons attack on its own kind you would still compare it to labradors.

Which is a weird thought as I've just been comparing them to jack russells

05-06-2017 12:02AM

Dogs are animals. They could be the best treated animals but still lash out if startled.

No idea what happened in this case yet. It's just incredibly tragic.

borderlinemeath · 05-06-2017 12:04AM

McCrack wrote: »

I had a golden cocker and he was given as much love and care as he could get and as a consequence he was of calm temper, docile and loving back not only to us as a family but anyone he met in or outside the home.

He was so trusted and loving you could literally take a bone from his mouth and he would not snap.

So really I believe all dogs that are properly treated and socialised from an early age are perfectly good and safe animals.

There's a balance between nature and nurture. There's a huge element to upbringing and adequate socialisation at an early age, as with any breed. But innate tendencies passed from mother to pup can stick for life, and nervousness is what I see in a LOT of them. Not solid black, not blue roan, or even a few orange roan dogs, but specifically goldens.

A huge element as well is the internet age of buying a pup off the internet. You mention you "had" a great CS. How long ago was that? Done deal was launched in 2004, and this was a huge turning point in dog ownership in Ireland. Now you could literally buy a cute pup at the click of a button, and puppy farmer and back yard breeders collectively whooped with delight. Now they had a way to sell to the masses, so upped production. Dogs bred in isolation with no human contact other than the rough hand throwing them a bit of food and then taking their pups away. Bitches mated as often as possible, no matter what their temperament. Sure it didn't matter, cute pups sell and there's no comeback. Buyer beware and all that.

freshpopcorn · 05-06-2017 12:04AM

PucaMama wrote: »

Which is a weird thought as I've just been comparing them to jack russells

Which dog would you prefer to bite you, A pit bull or a Jack Russell? Out of the two which do you think you'll be able to get under control faster?

Spanish Eyes · 05-06-2017 12:05AM

PucaMama wrote: »

Ah this old nonsense, ask a question then without thinking jump in with what you think is the correct answer.

Why will my pug not bite anyone? Because he can just about chew his own food. Look at the jaw structure.

Not fair to dismiss the genuine fears of veterans of attacks though.

We cannot say anything at all about dogs. We shouldn't have to be quasi vets either and know everything there is to know about the jaw structure of certain breeds. FGS. Pugs might have great shoulder muscles and pin you to the ground too.

Anyway a bit of give and take would be ok here. Thanks.

bilbot79 · 05-06-2017 12:08AM

PucaMama wrote: »

Which is a weird thought as I've just been comparing them to jack russells

Quality debating

PucaMama · 05-06-2017 12:09AM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

PucaMama wrote: »

Ah this old nonsense, ask a question then without thinking jump in with what you think is the correct answer.

Why will my pug not bite anyone? Because he can just about chew his own food. Look at the jaw structure.

Not fair to dismiss the genuine fears of veterans of attacks though.

We cannot say anything at all about dogs. We shouldn't have to be quasi vets either and know everything there is to know about the jaw structure of certain breeds. FGS. Pugs might have great shoulder muscles and pin you to the ground too.

Anyway a bit of give and take would be ok here. Thanks.

Are you actually serious are you aware of how small pugs are. Wow they might have big shoulder muscles to hold you with. Ok so your a "veteran of an attack". Bit dramatic but that's grand. You are now biased. You don't like dogs. Just say so. Just because you know nothing about dogs doesn't mean no one has a clue.

peasant · 05-06-2017 12:10AM

eat more steak...eradicate those killer animals from the planet !

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/cows-officially-the-most-deadly-large-animals-in-britain-a6727266.html

According to figures from the Health and Safety Executive (HSE), 74 people have been killed by cows in the past 15 years.

Dogs, meanwhile, have killed 17 people in the last eight years, according to NHS figures obtained by The Daily Telegraph.

The point of this post...unless we get the sensationalism, irrational fear and plain ignorance out of the "dangerous dog" discussion, we will never come to a satisfactory solution of the problem.

Fact: Every dog has the potential to bite...every big(ger) dog has the potential to kill.
Fact: Until we educate people how to raise and keep dogs responsibly accidents like this will continue to happen.
Fact: Having recognised fact no 1...every accident/fatality is always the owners fault

Woman killed by two bull mastiffs in Galway

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