London terror attack confirmed by Met Police

Mr_Muffin wrote: »

I'm not very informed on topics such as this. Can someone explain what these 'terrorists' are trying to achieve, as in what is their end goal?

A worldwide Islamic caliphate; basically they're hyper radicalised Muslims who feel everyone should be a hyper radicalised Muslim or die for not being a hyper radicalised Muslim.

Deprive them of a muslim funeral for a start. Throw the cnuts into a pit of lime and do whatever stops them getting to the 'next life'.

Mr_Muffin wrote: »

I'm not very informed on topics such as this. Can someone explain what these 'terrorists' are trying to achieve, as in what is their end goal?

A global Islamic caliphate apparently

wonderfullife wrote: »

Yeah and?

Good for them. When I was living in America I didn't try integrate into American tea or sausages I got my mam to send me Irish ones.

People don't emigrate and intregrate fully, they spread their culture. We've tons of Polish shops in Dublin and gladly because they sell some class stuff we'd never have had otherwise.

Why are you expecting immigrants to integrate in our culture when us Irish don't bother when we move abroad?

"Us Irish" dont go around killing people for their country not following our Catholic beliefs. Now I know this will simply lead to you talking about the medieval crusades or the RA you love deflecting to but the RA wasn't attempting to convert Britain just gain independence.

Not that you'll heed facts. But I do wonder which single sentence you'll quote and twist

nullzero wrote: »

hyper radicalised Muslim.

Can you explain /elaborate on this please?

i.e. radicalised vs hyper radicalised

Are the preachers the radicalised ones and the actors/perpetrators the hyper radicalised ones?

ceadaoin. wrote: »

A global Islamic caliphate apparently

thats already been tried and failed numerous times. Basically, if the 'West' stopped attacking the 'East' and proclaiming their dominance over the region, stealing their natural resources and cosying up to Dictatorships, then, maybe, the ordinary decent Muslim could just get on with trying to make a better life for themselves.

Danzy wrote: »

Dying in Jihad is the only way that a Muslim can get in to heaven without being judged by God.

Aha, so it's akin to a shortcut into a masters programme by virtue of age!

Danzy wrote: »

Dying in Jihad is the only way that a Muslim can get in to heaven without being judged by God.

They should convert to Catholicism so, and get a plenary indulgence for anything they did. Straight up into Heaven on the fast track, all yer sins forgiven.

All religions have this kind of shyte, but at least some of them don't go around killing people to get to Heaven. The irony.

wandererz wrote: »

Aha, so it's akin to a shortcut into a masters programme by virtue of age!

Mr_Muffin wrote: »

I'm not very informed on topics such as this. Can someone explain what these 'terrorists' are trying to achieve, as in what is their end goal?

Their end goal is the formation of a Caliphate; an Islamic imperial empire, basically.

Those who frame Islamic extremists as anti-imperialist (that is to say, anti-Western imperialism) are deluding themselves. They desire to replace "Western imperialism" with "Islamic imperialism" - and they deploy jihad (something akin to "defense/holy war") as the violent vehicle of their means.

By fighting for the Caliphate and by destroying the enemies of that Caliphate (non-believers of their version of Islam), they believe they're doing God's work and so will be rewarded in heaven - even when they die in the process (a.k.a. suicide bombings etc.).

That's about all you need to know for now.

However, if you would like "alternative facts" on this question, I recommend consulting Noam Chomsky - and his politically-inclined ilk - who'll instead side with the extremists and blame Western civilization and Israel as the source of all human problems; Islamic extremism merely being a response/symptom of that cause.

As is growing increasingly obvious to more and more people, that masochistic worldview is slowly dying - though it's a pity we cannot do anything, as yet, to hasten the death of that poisonous, self-hating ideology.

Syphonax wrote: »

Im not religious but not knowing the meaning of life and whats happens when death occurs does lead me to have many independent, spiritual thoughts of my own. Religions can become dangerous but fundamentally they serve the same purpose as any science and are healthy thoughts/questions to have.

Why does life have to have meaning? Science and religion are completely different and certainly don't serve the same purpose. Religion requires unquestioning belief and faith in unverified stories. Science is the exact opposite.

Danzy wrote: »

The increase in Islamic Militancy over the last 80 years has been largely down to a pushback against secular and western influences, women's clothes, relaxed morality etc.

The 2 great evangelical wings of Islam from the last 80 years, Deobandism and the Muslim Brotherhood both started by people as a response to increased secular values and in the case of the MB, in response to his shock at how women dressed in America.

Israel did not help but it isn't the cause that people pretend it to be.

How easy it is for us to say 'Islamic Militancy' when 'Islamic Militancy' is gurellia warfare for ones freedom from oppressive foreign powers invading your country.

80 years isnt near as long as two thousands years of warfare.