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wonderfullife wrote:

What is our culture?

From an Englishman's point of view, I'd have to say your nations incredible literary contributions? Your hilarious sense of humour? Your long history of defiant struggle? Your most hospitable interactions with me over the past twenty years despite said history? Your Feis's including the dancing? Your general craic? Its wooed me enough for the wife and I to leave London to move over there in the next year or two.

Widdershins wrote: »

No, it is not a choice in the uk. The BBC investigation demonstrates exactly that!

I have a gay Muslim acquaintance in England who is considered an apostate and nervous that some day he will be beaten up or worse if others in his so-called community find out.

I don't think you really have much awareness of these issues, which is not your fault!

Still a choice.
Freedom of religion is a right in the UK. Beating up apostates is against the law.

mikeybrennan wrote: »

Just been thinking

Presumably they wore the fake suicide vests so they would be 'martyred'

Not even they are stupid enough to allow themselves be subject to the consequences of their faith.

Unarmed bobbys vs knife:




When you appear to be wearing a bomb the chances of such a disarmament are far less likely.

wonderfullife wrote: »

I'd love for just one of you alt-right types on this thread to answer me one question.

You keep saying Muslims don't want to integrate into our culture.

Tell me - What is Irish culture?

Explain to me what you think our culture is and how they can do better to integrate into it.

I'll be impressed if you have anything other than "pub", "bookies", "Chinese take-away", "McDonalds", "American tv shows" and "GAA" but off you go anyway:

What is our culture?

I wouldn't profess to be an alt-right type but I'll take a stab.

In short I suspect the 'culture' that people speak about, is the broad collection practices, traditions, linguistic features, morals, games, beliefs and history that have accrued around the population of Ireland over the past few thousand years.

Naturally one might suspect the simplest way to be considered Irish is by parentage, being born into that community, it might convey Irishness in a way that even abhorring everything about being Irish from language to literature doesn't quite overcome.

What would suffice for most people even it comes to people who don't have Irish parentage I guess would be some skill at the language (by which I don't necessarily mean Gaegile but even the idioms and quirks of English as spoken by Irish people), perhaps an appreciation for some of the popular sports games, some might even say the Roman Catholic faith but I don't think that holds quite so much sway these days, other idioms like county affiliations, some congruity of moral values.

Ultimately, I think much is dependent required is some shared sense of community and commonality which newcomers and immerse themselves in and locals can share with them, much of which is again dependent upon a mutual willingness.

Conversely, some counter indications to assimilation would be things like retaining a sense of distinction from the local population, an 'us or them' mentality, moral values that run so utterly at odds with the local population such as punishing people for leaving the faith or for homosexuality, violent extremism that imagines the local population as targets for prostelyization or worse.

Just a few reckonings, I imagine you have a 'gotcha' or two ready for me...

wonderfullife wrote: »

A lot of people in this country follow the rantings of a 2,000 year old fella who did all sorts of magic tricks turning water into wine, walking on water etc.



So our long history of violent struggle against oppression is part of our culture you want Muslims to adhere to?


Hypocrisy of the highest order.

Naturally unhypocritical post.

Amusing how the muslims fans also seem to be bound to take digs at the Church/Ra in most posts.

A man provides you plenty of examples of Irish culture yet you select one example and twist it. Selective reading at its finest.

wonderfullife wrote: »

My only 'gotcha' is we do the exact opposite when we emigrate as I've outlined above. One rule for them, one for us.

You know that they take Halal food? Same way we take Barry's tea etc? They have halal restaurants where we have Irish bars etc.