London terror attack confirmed by Met Police

Cheerful Spring · 04-06-2017 05:31PM

Yourself isit wrote: »

Sure. Thats more accurate than isis are mad at us for bombing Assad though.

Most of the "the west are bombing the ME" justifiers clearly don't understand what is going on.

Sunni and Shia terrorists hate each other. You can't join Isis if you are a Shia.

The war in Syria is a sectarian war. Sunni vs Shia. Syria and Iran are Shia religion based countries.

When is the last time we got attacked by Shia terrorists?

Skullface McGubbin · 04-06-2017 05:32PM

Some of those who are pushing the "No True Muslim" fallacy remind me of this..

Yourself isit · 04-06-2017 05:34PM

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Sunni and Shia terrorists hate each other. You can't join Isis if you are a Shia.

The war in Syria is a sectarian war. Sunni vs Shia. Syria and Iran are Shia religion based countries.

When is the last time we got attacked by Shia terrorists?

Not sure what point you are making.

Given that the west is actually bombing secular regimes it should be those regimes that would be "justified" in fighting back not isis.

Bombing isis happened very late in the game.

Widdershins · 04-06-2017 05:34PM

Samaris wrote: »

The idea of more bollards at the entrance to pedestrian ways, especially in "iconic" places, like London Bridge seems like a good one. Maybe the stuff about deadmans switches and the like in large lorries; not sure how it'd work since they presumably had keys, mind you. I suppose you could have some sort of GPS locking system (this may be well beyond what is currently possible, and god knows what would happen if it kicked in the wrong place) that would shut down the vehicle if it headed at speed into a pedestrianised area. The bit about the wrong place is that GPS systems have to be regularly updated for changes in the city lay-out, and if a lorry suddenly went dead on a busy road that is pedestrianised at some parts of the day, or was recently made a car-lane, etc, or just the GPS glitched out, it could cause accidents.

Agreed with the others regarding the more wild idea about a citizen's militia - we have the police forces for that. Introducing weapons caches and 10,000 strong militias is a recipe for some John Rambo to lose his head.

Wasn't there some civilian volunteer division of an garda siochana a while back?

Christy42 · 04-06-2017 05:35PM

wandererz wrote: »

After Paris and other attacks, millions of people came together to show solidarity.

Why the heck have these millions of Muslims ( who do not support extremism) not come together and done their own march or vigil?

Why the heck haven't they taken ownership of their own destinies?

By not doing so they are indirectly saying : "praise be to you my jihadi brother. I totally support you"

Hell yeah!!

Hope you're in Paradise!!
Coz that's what we totally believe in!

You're rockin it in Para with 27 virgins. Hollleee... crap.
Praise be to you my friend and to AL as well!

It ain't no atrocity to us! It just keeps the movement going!

Keep rockin!!

!

I love that keeps coming up in every single one of these threads. A few pages ago people started giving out about a cleric who said this is not the behaviour of a proper Muslim.

Every single time there is a response from the Muslim community

https://www.google.ie/amp/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/manchester-arena-attack-muslim-leaders-condemn-suicide-bombing-ariana-grande-explosion-a7751576.html%3famp

But hey doesn't count right?

pjohnson · 04-06-2017 05:35PM

Skullface McGubbin wrote: »

Some of those who are pushing the "No True Muslim" fallacy remind me of this..

Monthy Python means I automatically pictured John Cleese

wonderfullife · 04-06-2017 05:36PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

Maybe it was a helium balloon?

It was a bomb according to the police.

You're seriously trying to argue people shouldn't wait for facts before commenting on things?

Last night there was reports of a terrorist situation in Vauxhall.

These reports were shared millions of times as *fact*.

It turned out the situation in Vauxhall was just a regular run-of-the-mill stabbing by a non-terrorist.

I can't believe I'm being criticized for waiting for facts to emerge before commenting on an incident.

04-06-2017 05:37PM

wandererz wrote: »

After Paris and other attacks, millions of people came together to show solidarity.

Why the heck have these millions of Muslims ( who do not support extremism) not come together and done their own march or vigil?

Why the heck haven't they taken ownership of their own destinies?

What. Like this?

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/03/27/europe/london-attack/index.html

Muslim women linked arms along Westminster Bridge Sunday in a show of solidarity with the victims of last week's London terror attack.

The women, many of whom wore blue to symbolize peace, were joined by supporters who stood in silence for five minutes as Big Ben struck 4 p.m.
Four days prior, lone attacker Khalid Masood rammed a car into pedestrians on the bridge, killing three and leaving dozens injured.

Gringo180 · 04-06-2017 05:37PM

Yourself isit wrote: »

The British parliament voted against the Syrian war in 2013.

Thats strange. Theyve been bombing it nearly every day since 2013

Bushmanpm · 04-06-2017 05:38PM

Gringo180 wrote:

What are the 55 odd million non muslim British citizens doing to stop there country murdering innocent people in wars in the middle east? There voting in the same parties committing these war crimes.

Conservative? Or Labour? IIRC over a million of us took to the streets of London to tell Blair & Campbell we didn't want that war. To date I'm not aware of any other demo having a larger attendance.

04-06-2017 05:40PM

wonderfullife wrote: »

You're seriously trying to argue people shouldn't wait for facts before commenting on things.

Wonderfullife, i quoted your bomb scene analysis to highlight the fact that you also don't wait for the facts before commenting. You can't have it both ways

Widdershins · 04-06-2017 05:41PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Ah would you stop with the scare tactics. 8 attacks in 12 years.

The part I don't get is that, the terrorists have won as soon as people are scared. There's no reason to be scared. You may think relativism has nothing to do with this, but last night 7 people were killed, also last night a 17year old was stabbed to death, the 8th victim of knife crime this year.

Who are you more scared of? The nasty terrorists that pop up 8 times out of 12 years, or the knife wielders that don't know, or don't care who they're stabbing, but do it with alarming regularity?

The gas thing is, this will probably play straight into the tories hands. The same party that have cut the police force by 20,000.

I've answered your ridicuous remark about ''8 attacks in 12 years'' in another post.

I'm sorry you're scared. I won't suppress my opinions because the issue scares you.

jackofalltrades · 04-06-2017 05:42PM

Gringo180 wrote: »

4% of the British population is Islamic. If real muslims are all like these savages then Britain would be on fire. These radicals are a tiny minority. About 000.5 % of the 3 million living in the UK.

Every time there's an attack like this people claim the attackers aren't real Muslims.
Is their something that disqualifies them as being Muslim?

Maybe the 99.5% that aren't radicals aren't real Muslims.
Also why does there just have to be one type of Muslim?

Using this logic you could argue that the republican paramilitaries weren't really Irish.

Cheerful Spring · 04-06-2017 05:45PM

Yourself isit wrote: »

Not sure what point you are making.

Given that the west is actually bombing secular regimes it should be those regimes that would be "justified" in fighting back not isis.

Bombing isis happened very late in the game.

We are christen people to them we are infidels, we are the enemy. Even if we stopped bombing them, they still attack us.

I just pointing how stupid we are. We helping Sunni Terrorists overthrow a government in the Middle east. The support we give to Saudi Arabia is sickening, least to me. Trump thinks Iran is more of a danger,idiot.

wonderfullife · 04-06-2017 05:46PM

I'd love for just one of you alt-right types on this thread to answer me one question.

You keep saying Muslims don't want to integrate into our culture.

Tell me - What is Irish culture?

Explain to me what you think our culture is and how they can do better to integrate into it.

I'll be impressed if you have anything other than "pub", "bookies", "Chinese take-away", "McDonalds", "American tv shows" and "GAA" but off you go anyway:

What is our culture?

04-06-2017 05:47PM

Widdershins wrote: »

I've answered your ridicuous remark about ''8 attacks in 12 years'' in another post.

I'm sorry you're scared. I won't suppress my opinions because the issue scares you.

"Suppress my opinions"

Carry on with the fear mongering dude, I have very little fear of a tiny percentage of a small percentage of the population that are mental.

wandererz · 04-06-2017 05:47PM

Christy42 wrote: »

I love that keeps coming up in every single one of these threads. A few pages ago people started giving out about a cleric who said this is not the behaviour of a proper Muslim.

Every single time there is a response from the Muslim community

https://www.google.ie/amp/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/manchester-arena-attack-muslim-leaders-condemn-suicide-bombing-ariana-grande-explosion-a7751576.html%3famp

But hey doesn't count right?

I never heard about it.

It seems, neither did others.

They always provide a press release to this effect subsequent to the fact.
What happens in between?... Nothing.

04-06-2017 05:48PM

wonderfullife wrote: »

I'd love for just one of you alt-right types on this thread to answer me one question.

You keep saying Muslims don't want to integrate into our culture.

Tell me - What is Irish culture?

Explain to me what you think our culture is and how they can do better to integrate into it.

I'll be impressed if you have anything other than "pub", "bookies", "Chinese take-away", "McDonalds", "American tv shows" and "GAA" but off you go anyway:

What is our culture?

I'd say if they got baptised it would help :pac:

04-06-2017 05:49PM

wandererz wrote: »

I never heard about it.

It seems, neither did others.

They always provide a press release to this effect subsequent to the fact.
What happens in between?... Nothing.

Any response to mine?
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/03/27/europe/london-attack/index.html

Or is it not fitting your narrative?

Widdershins · 04-06-2017 05:50PM

Deleted User wrote: »

What. Like this?

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/03/27/europe/london-attack/index.html

Those women, just like the Muslims who famously 'demonstrated' against terrorism last year (it was actually a global gatherin like a convention where terrorism was one of the topics, my friend atended), are Ahmadiyya, a reformist sect persecuted by many other muslim sects including in Britain, and the shopkeeper in Glasgow who was brutally murdered was another Ahmadi. You will find that they are consistently objecting to extremism and consistently treated like dirt by their fellow Muslims who say they're not true Muslims at all.

AzcuzCoz · 04-06-2017 05:50PM

&#55357;&#56397;. The U.K. is being attacked now like France was in 2015 and 2016.

wandererz · 04-06-2017 05:50PM

Deleted User wrote: »

What. Like this?

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/03/27/europe/london-attack/index.html

Happy days!

Were their Imam's there as well?

04-06-2017 05:52PM

Widdershins wrote: »

Those women, just like the Muslims who famously 'demonstrated' against terrorism last year (it was actually a global gatherin like a convention where terrorism was one of the topics, my friend atended), are Ahmadiyya, a reformist sect persecuted by many other muslim sects including in Britain, and the shopkeeper in Glasgow who was brutally murdered was another Ahmadi. You will find that they are consistently objecting to extremism and consistently treated like dirt by their fellow Muslims who say they're not true Muslims at all.

So they're not Muslim enough?!

Just can't win!

Call Me Jimmy · 04-06-2017 05:52PM

wonderfullife wrote: »

I'd love for just one of you alt-right types on this thread to answer me one question.

You keep saying Muslims don't want to integrate into our culture.

Tell me - What is Irish culture?

Explain to me what you think our culture is and how they can do better to integrate into it.

I'll be impressed if you have anything other than "pub", "bookies", "Chinese take-away", "McDonalds", "American tv shows" and "GAA" but off you go anyway:

What is our culture?

Im sure in your mind I'm an alt-right type but I think in general they are morons. Same as people who are their opposite. But you ask another disingenuous question here. You know what the culture people are referring to. It isn't Irish colture or white culture as you would just love it be. It's simply a secular society that is as free as possibly while also being as safe as possible. Its the difference in culture you see between any secular democratic society and one that isn't. Whether that be a straight up dictatorship, or a theocracy. You know this though, and you ask these ridiculous questions which you are obviously too intelligent to really be wondering about. So it just makes you look sly.

Dyr · 04-06-2017 05:52PM

wonderfullife wrote: »

I'd love for just one of you alt-right types on this thread to answer me one question.

You keep saying Muslims don't want to integrate into our culture.

Tell me - What is Irish culture?

Explain to me what you think our culture is and how they can do better to integrate into it.

I'll be impressed if you have anything other than "pub", "bookies", "Chinese take-away", "McDonalds", "American tv shows" and "GAA" but off you go anyway:

What is our culture?

You see there it is, anyone who threatens your sacred cow with reality is an alt right type. Of course that is the crux of your sacred cow so no surprise that its a massive blind spot for you

Apparently you now need someone to define Irish culture for you and indeed, describe what it is about western secular democracies that is so at odds with Wahabbist beliefs

Mr.Micro · 04-06-2017 05:54PM

wonderfullife wrote: »

I'd love for just one of you alt-right types on this thread to answer me one question.

You keep saying Muslims don't want to integrate into our culture.

Tell me - What is Irish culture?

Explain to me what you think our culture is and how they can do better to integrate into it.

I'll be impressed if you have anything other than "pub", "bookies", "Chinese take-away", "McDonalds", "American tv shows" and "GAA" but off you go anyway:

What is our culture?

Hypocrisy should be in there

The Rape of Lucretia · 04-06-2017 05:54PM

wonderfullife wrote: »

I'd love for just one of you alt-right types on this thread to answer me one question.

You keep saying Muslims don't want to integrate into our culture.

Tell me - What is Irish culture?

Well, one of its key characteristics is the lack of following the rantings of a 7th century paedophile and liar.

pjohnson · 04-06-2017 05:54PM

I love how in AH I can be called an alt-right snowflake before 10 minutes later I'm a lefty snowflake.

I must be Cristiano Ronaldo I'm so good on both wings.

Cheerful Spring · 04-06-2017 05:55PM

There is narrative on the News it took only 8 minutes for the police to respond. Ok, thats great, but the attack lasted longer then that. They walked from the bridge a good distance to reach their targets, and got at over 50+ people.

Just saying if they had access to guns, we see lot more deaths today.

04-06-2017 05:56PM

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Well, one of its key characteristics is the lack of following the rantings of a 7th century paedophile and liar.

Yeah. Following the rantings of 20th century paedophiles and liars is MUCH better..

London terror attack confirmed by Met Police

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